Thaddaeus Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 375 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/21/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2007 DarkNebulaWelder, Couldn't it be possible that we are born with both? Jesus was born human, yes, but what differentiated Him from humans was that HE WAS GOD. We have a dual nature which Christ did not have....sinful AND fallen. Christ was born fallen. hardly, when we only one one nature. That is the whole point, respective of the human nature. Christ is precisely like us in every way, yet without sin. You have it the reverse. Man has a single nature, Chrsit had two, human and Divine. The rest that you state is based on this incorrect assessment of man and that of Christ. Understanding the above will give you the answers to the rest of your statment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diolectic Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 33 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/17/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2007 Just a thought here, that sin in the members which Paul talks about in Romans 7:5,23; think of it as an addiction, not a disease. One brings on an addiction on hmself, each person brings on his own addictions on hmself from the first sin that one committs after he is accountble for it and by the many other sins that follow. Smoking, for instance, I know how dificult it is to quit, sin in 101 time more addictive. The children of Israel longed fot the things back in their bondage: Num 11:5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick: So it is with man: Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves as slaves for obedience, you are slaves to whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or obedience to righteousness? Romans 7:14 For we know that the requirements(law) are spiritual, but I am soulish, living after the flesh, having been sold into slavery under the domination of my own inclinations to rebel(sin). & Romans 7:23 But then, I see different set of requirements(law), and they are in my members, warring against the standard of my moral conscience(law of my mind), and bringing me into captivity to those requirements of my own fleshly desires(law of sin) which are in my members. We can not escapet into freedom axcept by Chrsit. Once saved, we are free, but we still remember the pesures of our old life of sin, that is why christians still sin from time to time. Christians sin, being decieved into thinking that it will give them plesure that they remeber from sin, but in reality christians hate sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Pillars Posted June 8, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 57 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) Brethren: God knew Adam and Eve would sin before the foundation of the world. That's why Jesus, in his mind, was slain before the world was made. God sees the end from the beginning. God knows how to make a Perfect Heaven and fill it with Perfect People in the end Edited June 8, 2007 by 4Pillars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Pillars Posted June 8, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 57 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) Here Edited June 8, 2007 by 4Pillars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddaeus Posted June 9, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 375 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/21/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2007 4pillars, In the post previous to this #172 you did not state anything, just quoted texts. However in this post I would like to comment on some of your inserts to the texts. Romans 5 v12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin (death being the wages of sin); and so death passed upon all men, for that ALL have sinned: The way I look at it, death was passed upon all men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Pillars Posted June 9, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 57 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2007 (edited) Dear Thaddaeus, In referrence to your comment of my post #172, perhaps, you missed reading the part of the comment stating about the Edited June 9, 2007 by 4Pillars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddaeus Posted June 9, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 375 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/21/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2007 4pillars, I thought I made my statement very clear. Please go back and read it again. Maybe you can come up with a rebuttal. Of which yours is one of them. Now, following your thought regarding Romans 5:14, the text clearly says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Pillars Posted June 9, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 57 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2007 (edited) Dear ruck1b, Would you rather have me describe your traditional religious assumptions to be Edited June 9, 2007 by 4Pillars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted June 9, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 9, 2007 4Pillars: Therefore, let us not continue blaming Adam for our own transgression. Enough with the blame put on Adam already. Good point and which is what I had in mind and was goning to post about but didn't get around to it untell now. Adam blamed Eve, many blame Adam. Horrible. We are individualy responsible for our own sin, not Adam's or anyone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugmando Posted June 9, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 114 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/12/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/06/1961 Share Posted June 9, 2007 4pillars, You gave Romans 5:14 as a point of proof or reference and quoting you said: Now, following your thought regarding Romans 5:14, the text clearly says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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