rtwo Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,144 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1978 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Cajunboy:::: I'm sorry but I cannot support much of what you are trying to convey here. God makes it very plain to each of us what our (cross) in life is what we each know all too well when we sin. We may want to or try to deny a particular sin but that only takes us all the farther down the road we have to travel to find the Jesus we all soooooooo want to aspire to be like. All this, messages on tapes, I just can't accept . If one needs to purge his/her home for evil things, the more evident ones are the best place to begin. Like "porn" videos or movies with "R" ratings or vulgar language, or when someone sends you a vulgar e-mail or joke in bad taste, simply sent it back and remind the sender that you don't review this type of literature. Did you know it is just as much a sin for a man or woman to neglect cleaning their homes or letting things go when you know you have chores to do, as what you're suggesting. I don't mean to say that all of what you are suggesing does not have validity, but I just don't believe that if someone doesn't realize they may have "sin" hidden in their closets or in something they have no knowledge of, that they are still living in sin simply because it is near them or in their possession. Now if the KNOW that the image or literature or sin is in their possession and refuse to part with it, your point may take issue. But I may be sinning even worse if I knowingly hoard my monies for my own selfish treats and I know that God has revealed to me to share a part of it with a particular person in need. But I do respect where you're headed. By what you are trying to convey you are inadvertantly telling me that you want to get your life so very straight that you don't want to leave any stones unturned......and that's a good thing.....I just don't believe that God feels we should drive ourselves crazy with paranoia. Blessings Cajunboy First I will refer you to my third paragraph which I started Indeed it is easy to become paranoid about such things and go way over the top and obsessive, which is in itself not healthy for us The Cassette tape thing, I am not suggesting that you burn all your tapes because one might be a bit iffy. If you re read what i said about the tapes you will see i am simply giving an example of a MAN made object being used for Satanic purposes. Removing the obvious filth in your life is straight forward However God is pure and perfect, sure we can not obtain that standard but we can try cant we? even if we live in what we consider a pure and wholesome Christian home there probably are things that we do or do not do and tems we posses that are dishonoring to God, or have the potential to create spiritual discord with in the home. I think we would all be in shock as to what it means to really live a pure clean spiritual life, Christ was only perfect person on earth. We all fall miles short, even though we think we don't. AS Christians we have to be on our guard as to what does come into the home, it could be a leaflet for example, its not that big deal to sort out, just tear it up and throw it in bin outside. Its something we have to be continually on our guard over. I actually keep many man-mad, satan inspired things in my home (like leaflets). The reason is simple: I can better counter the lies of the opposition if I know the direction from which those lies come. For this reason, I keep books on eastern mysticism, eckankar, etc, so that I can divide them using Scripture and see in which directions Satan is attacking. If I am spiritually attacked, it is not because of having these things in my house, but because the enemy wishes to sever my faith in Christ. I note that not once has my faith wavered (where it has wavered) in the direction of the materials I keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily~Anne Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 146 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,308 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2007 For me it's not the concern of evil spirits being in the gnomes and faerie statues themselves, it's the appearance of evil. We are told to abstain from the appearance of evil.bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I do not believe that objects are inherently evil or that inanimate objects can contain a satanic spirit. A spirit needs a living host. I believe this is why so many people are always so upset and saying they are being plagued by demons.....what they are suffering is the result of having their focus on demons instead of focusing on Christ. The Bible says we are to think on those things which are good and lovely. Please show me where it says we should spend our time worrying about if some object may have been used for evil or is possessed. Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted June 7, 2007 For me it's not the concern of evil spirits being in the gnomes and faerie statues themselves, it's the appearance of evil. We are told to abstain from the appearance of evil.bump You better burn all your 1 dollar bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2007 For me it's not the concern of evil spirits being in the gnomes and faerie statues themselves, it's the appearance of evil. We are told to abstain from the appearance of evil.bump You better burn all your 1 dollar bills. Shalom Gerioke, <sigh> If you honestly think that is what anyone is saying, you are mistaken. I rather believe you know that is not what is being said and the sarcasm is not edifying or helpful in this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2007 Shalom Andrew, With all due respect, I do not agree with your post. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but it seems that my posts, with their very different messages, are being overlooked because of your OP. So, as not to hijack your thread, I will get out of your way and let you discuss your issues and I'll start another thread with my position, which is much different than yours. Shalom to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily~Anne Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 146 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,308 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2007 Shalom Andrew, With all due respect, I do not agree with your post. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but it seems that my posts, with their very different messages, are being overlooked because of your OP. So, as not to hijack your thread, I will get out of your way and let you discuss your issues and I'll start another thread with my position, which is much different than yours. Shalom to you! What an awesome idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LossForWords Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 857 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/04/1981 Share Posted June 7, 2007 It's strange that some of you feel ok about garden gnomes being evil... but if anybody suggests something else is evil and we should be rid of it, you accuse them of being sarcastic and not understanding the op. If you are under the opinion that garden gnomes are evil and that we should be rid of them...then everything that has ever begun because of gods & goddesses should be thrown out as well. We understand the op quite well, and as Christians we have a strong opinion about being paranoid about superstitious things. This is a public forum...Christians and non-Christians come here. I don't want my non-Christian brother to think I am a paranoid Christian. I don't want my non-Christian brother to come to this post and think all Christians think garden gnomes are demonic forces sent to corrupt all of humanity. You have a strong opinion for your side, but we have a strong opinion for our side...but instead of accepting it, you go on the defense. It's really easy to judge others by bringing out the verse about not being judgemental. MHC: 7:1-6 We must judge ourselves, and judge of our own acts, but not make our word a law to everybody. We must not judge rashly, nor pass judgment upon our brother without any ground. We must not make the worst of people. We are not judging and saying you are wicked for believing that garden gnomics are satanic, we are saying we don't agree with you, and giving our reasons as to why we don't believe the same thing you believe. I'm sure we've all heard the saying, "If you can't take the heat..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2007 It's strange that some of you feel ok about garden gnomes being evil... but if anybody suggests something else is evil and we should be rid of it, you accuse them of being sarcastic and not understanding the op. If you are under the opinion that garden gnomes are evil and that we should be rid of them...then everything that has ever begun because of gods & goddesses should be thrown out as well. We understand the op quite well, and as Christians we have a strong opinion about being paranoid about superstitious things. This is a public forum...Christians and non-Christians come here. I don't want my non-Christian brother to think I am a paranoid Christian. I don't want my non-Christian brother to come to this post and think all Christians think garden gnomes are demonic forces sent to corrupt all of humanity. You have a strong opinion for your side, but we have a strong opinion for our side...but instead of accepting it, you go on the defense. It's really easy to judge others by bringing out the verse about not being judgemental. MHC: 7:1-6 We must judge ourselves, and judge of our own acts, but not make our word a law to everybody. We must not judge rashly, nor pass judgment upon our brother without any ground. We must not make the worst of people. We are not judging and saying you are wicked for believing that garden gnomics are satanic, we are saying we don't agree with you, and giving our reasons as to why we don't believe the same thing you believe. I'm sure we've all heard the saying, "If you can't take the heat..." Shalom LFW, Ummm, care to show me ONE PLACE where there was judgment of someone for having garden gnomes? Just one please. The "heat" is Unchristian-like ridicule and mockery of other Believer's sincere convictions and according to the Scriptures, this is wrong. There is no way to justify or defend it. Differing opinions are welcomed in any discussion, mockery and ridicule are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted June 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted June 7, 2007 For me it's not the concern of evil spirits being in the gnomes and faerie statues themselves, it's the appearance of evil. We are told to abstain from the appearance of evil.bump You better burn all your 1 dollar bills. Shalom Gerioke, <sigh> If you honestly think that is what anyone is saying, you are mistaken. I rather believe you know that is not what is being said and the sarcasm is not edifying or helpful in this discussion. Shalom LFW, Ummm, care to show me ONE PLACE where there was judgment of someone for having garden gnomes? Just one please. The "heat" is Unchristian-like ridicule and mockery of other Believer's sincere convictions and according to the Scriptures, this is wrong. There is no way to justify or defend it. Differing opinions are welcomed in any discussion, mockery and ridicule are not. I guess I should have said "you better avoid 1 dollar bills". Beg your pardon. You don't have to apologize for calling me sarcastic though. I forgive you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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