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[Massorite]

There are many who complain that the illegals are taking American jobs. But if that were the case then why don't we have massive unemployment?There are more then 12 million illegals living in America and most of them have jobs. The fact of the matter is that the reason they were able to come to America and get jobs is because there were positions for them to fill because there weren't enough Americans to fill them. We have been killing one million babies a year for more then forty years. That means that there would be one million more forty year olds living in America then there are today. There would be 1 million more 39 year olds living in America. There would be 1 million more 38 year olds living in America then there is today and so on. We have been killing off our work force for forty years thanks to abortions and now we are paying the price for doing so. While it is true that a percentage of these 40 million babies would have already died or would have been unable to hold a job for a number of reasons. The fact remains that we are creating positions for illegals to fill because we have killed an American, who would have been able to fill that position.

No matter what religious persuasion you are. Facts are facts.

I have on several occasions tried to put this point across to some of these pro-life organizations. But for what ever reason they don't seem to be interested in the fact that abortion is directly connected to immigration problems.

Maybe some of you could also try putting this point across to the pro-life organization in mass. I believe that this is an arguement that can be used to change our abortion laws and it is an argument that has no religious beliefs attached to it. This argument is simply a matter of fact.

As We Walk In Christ

Robert

Edited July 13, 2007 by Massorite

[Iryssa]

They probably aren't very interested in it because it's hard to prove that they are, in fact, related. I mean, can you prove that the same job that Joe the aborted person would have taken is now taken by Julio the illegal immigrant? To pro-choice people this theory would look like a huge logical leap without that kind of proof.

[Leonard]

Massorite: Very interesting point. The sheer numbers argue for it. Demographically it doesn't represent a 'logical leap.'

[Ovedya]

If Americans wanted those jobs then they would want unions to represent them. Unions means more pay. More pay means having to increase prices. That's a problem because. in certain markets the market sets the price. In such cases businesses would lose money hand-over-fist.

Fact is, illegals keep the profit margins high and the risk fairly low.

I think that many, if not most, Americans are ignorant of how powerful the union lobby is.

[AndrewA]

That is an interesting theory. However in order for this theory to be plausible unemployment in USA must be running at almost 0% however it is around 4.5%, out of a workforce of 150 million American citizens almost 7 million people. So why are there all these Americans that are unemployed when there are countless immigrants with jobs in the US?

Demographics is one reason, there could be plenty of minimum wage manual labour jobs way down south in Texas, however way up North there are thousands of unemployed skilled engineers who have just lost their jobs after a major company collapsed and had to close all their production plants. How many of these people would be willing to move their families to a totally different way of life in order to live of a minimum wage?

Another reason are the jobs the immigrants are paid to do are far too horrible and demeaning for any American to do unless its for a very healthy pay packet, where as immigrants are willing to do this work for only a few dollars. If you are a company that needs a huge workforce to do boring dirty and uncomfortable work , would you pay 100 Americans $30 per hour or 100 Immigrants $5 an hour?

Another important point you have missed out is that if you have a significantly larger population equivalent of several huge cities, then you will find that all these extra people, 40 million according to your calculations, will all be employed in

[Massorite]

That is an interesting theory. However in order for this theory to be plausible unemployment in USA must be running at almost 0% however it is around 4.5%, out of a workforce of 150 million American citizens almost 7 million people. So why are there all these Americans that are unemployed when there are countless immigrants with jobs in the US?

Demographics is one reason, there could be plenty of minimum wage manual labour jobs way down south in Texas, however way up North there are thousands of unemployed skilled engineers who have just lost their jobs after a major company collapsed and had to close all their production plants. How many of these people would be willing to move their families to a totally different way of life in order to live of a minimum wage?

Another reason are the jobs the immigrants are paid to do are far too horrible and demeaning for any American to do unless its for a very healthy pay packet, where as immigrants are willing to do this work for only a few dollars. If you are a company that needs a huge workforce to do boring dirty and uncomfortable work , would you pay 100 Americans $30 per hour or 100 Immigrants $5 an hour?

Another important point you have missed out is that if you have a significantly larger population equivalent of several huge cities, then you will find that all these extra people, 40 million according to your calculations, will all be employed in

[Smalcald]

Illegal immigration is not taking jobs that citizens want at the wages offered. The wage issue is the point. You could find labor, but it would be much more expensive.

The fact is illegal immigration is great for business, you can hire people at below market wages and since they are illegal they are not going to complain and they are easy to fire. Illegal immigration is also great for consumers, our homes cost less than they would if construction companies could only hire legal citizens, our food cost less, our clothing costs less, and on and on in a variety of industries which make heavy use of illegal workers.

This is the reason nothing meaningful will be done about the issue until employers are made to pay for their use of illegal labor and there is no way that is going to happen; their lobby is far too strong.

[Massorite]

Illegal immigration is not taking jobs that citizens want at the wages offered. The wage issue is the point. You could find labor, but it would be much more expensive.

The fact is illegal immigration is great for business, you can hire people at below market wages and since they are illegal they are not going to complain and they are easy to fire. Illegal immigration is also great for consumers, our homes cost less than they would if construction companies could only hire legal citizens, our food cost less, our clothing costs less, and on and on in a variety of industries which make heavy use of illegal workers.

This is the reason nothing meaningful will be done about the issue until employers are made to pay for their use of illegal labor and there is no way that is going to happen; their lobby is far too strong.

You are right. I have seen illegal immigrants abused by other immigrants who employ them and Americans. I have tried to show them how to become legal but they don't really want to pay taxes and their employers don,t want to pay taxes iether. I have long said that if our government went after big business alot of this stuff would stop. But I think that it is too late. Take the story about the palite company. The feds raided this companies plants in several states and the company was forced to shut down because must of there workers were illegal and taken away. All of those positions were eventually filled by legal immigrants and Americans but that was only a few hundred people. Here in Georgia there are thousands of illegals working in the chicken plants all over the state. If they were all to be deported we wouldn,t be eating chicken for a long time because it would all go bad before it could be processed, and there would not be enough people to fiil those thousands of low paying positions.

I still think that it is a very good arguement against abortion. There is no way for us to kill off all of those babies and not pay a price for it. Our country is not the only country suffering the same immigration problem who is killing off their work force through abortion.

By the way AndrewA. There are an estimated 12,000,000 illegals living and working in America. (which I thionk is a conservitive estimate.) If we were to subtract the seven million unemployed Americans from the 12,000,000 that would leave us with five million illegals who have American jobs and seven million Americans who would be working. Now if we were to add to the whole, all of those aborted babies who would be of working age, which would be from 18 years old to 40. That would add another 22,000,000 Americans to the 150,000,000 Americans in the work forcem making the number 172,000,000 Americans in the workforce. (I hope that I am doing this right.) Now if we were to subtract those 5,000,000 illegals who are working from the 22,000,000 aborted Americans who would be in the work force that would leave 17,000,000 unemployed Americans instead of just 7,000,000

Edited July 15, 2007 by Massorite