tsth Posted July 30, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2007 lol Yes, I agree. My purpose in posting this lurid story, which is now of no value since the links were removed, was to point out the sorry state of the Church in America and our "Christian icons," who see no problem with supporting such an abomination. I didn't mean to jump down your throat, forrest. It's been a frustrating day business-wise. I am so used to you disagreeing with me that I did not recognize when you actually agreed with me. I have mixed feelings about "Gay Churches", I certainly recognize that being an openly gay pastor is unbiblical, but I also see where gays and lesbians have been demonized and used as a political whipping post by many in the religious right in this country too, so I think that many of them do genuinely want a relationship with God and want to be part of a community of believers and for them, and thus from their perspective a gay church is their only option. Many times on this forum gays and lesbians have been compared to pedophiles and those who engage in bestiality. If someone were gay or lesbian, what would you have them to do? Go to churches where members compare them to child rapists? Somewhere between churches comparing gays and lesbians to child rapists on one extreme and churches that have openly gay pastors on the other, is that level of common decency and humanity that could be a spiritual home and community for gays and lesbians in this country. Unfortunately, there are not a whole lot of churches in some parts of the country like that, so the only option for gays and lesbians is to join or form a church just for them. "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." (Romans 1:26-27) "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." (Ephesians 5:11) My biggest complaint is, why do we rebuke and revile the gay man and look the other way for a man/member who is/has been caught cheating on his wife, OR left his wife for another woman. How about the deacon who is caught with the prostitute? These we will look the other way, or comfort HIM, rather than break fellowship??? Why? What is the difference? Shouldn't the truth be told to BOTH men? In His Love, Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treasure Posted July 30, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 272 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,338 Content Per Day: 0.65 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2007 This is a sad reflection on the Body of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted July 31, 2007 I can't find the link to his church anywhere, and I even did a search. Can you PM it to me, Marnie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsth Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2007 I don't see people overlooking those things. So you or your congregation has broken fellowship with another professing believer before due to sin? Have you seen this practiced? Or you have no men who have left their wives for another woman? In His Love, Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortstop Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 47 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2007 Just to point out here in a "stonger" sense... Being gay is no more a sin than stealing a cookie from the store...Sin is sin... The church has labled it a bigger sin, because it's a sin against the body..... It is more open than if one sneaks and steals a cookie...When being gay was behind closed doors, these issues were not discussed like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsth Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2007 And again, this does not surprise me. In His Love, Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsth Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 297 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,586 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 193 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/09/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2007 Dear Butero, It is more prominent than you think, as well as pornography viewing....the fact that you aren't aware of it, may testify to what I am saying. The church does not admit it's own sin, and is too prideful to openly admit and deal with it, especially when it involves an elder. It is in great hypocrisy, much like the days of the pharisees and the jews. The Christians have done no differently. And to proclaim the truth about these things is met with much the same conflict. In His Love, Suzanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marnie Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 811 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 7,338 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 76 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/06/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 Is not the church for those who are "sick" and in need of help? If those who are mature go OUT and preach the message Jesus preached while on this earth, maybe the "city" would not be as sick as it is today... Church is not about sitting in your Sunday's finest, shiniest car in the parking lot, best said statement, best show on the altar.....It's about reaching out to those who are lost. If a gay man or woman walked into your church, would you kick them out? Would you preached them right out the door? Or would you love them enough so that the LIGHT of JESUS CHRIST shined so through YOU that --that is what made the difference for that gay man or woman to change their sinful life style... Actually you are quite in error. According to Ephesians, the Church is for believers. At any rate, the gay church (Open Door Community Church), whose website may be found by Googling for it, is as far from G-d as one can get. It is a stench and abomination in G-d's nostrils, and those participating in it will be judged harshly for leading so many astray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marnie Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 811 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 7,338 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 76 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/06/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 31, 2007 Just to point out here in a "stonger" sense... Being gay is no more a sin than stealing a cookie from the store...Sin is sin... The church has labled it a bigger sin, because it's a sin against the body..... It is more open than if one sneaks and steals a cookie...When being gay was behind closed doors, these issues were not discussed like this... Some sins are more serious than others. In Corinthians, Paul taught that the church should disfellowship with someone committing adultery and incest. He told them to turn the guilty party over to Satan for the destruction of the body, that hopefully the soul would be saved in the end. I doubt that would have been his advise for someone found to have stolen a cookie. This idea that all sins are equal is not found in the Bible. As a matter of fact, the Bible mentions a distinction between sins unto death and ones that are not unto death. That alone shows all sins are not equal. Thank you for putting that so eloquently. So many people aren't aware of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted July 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted July 31, 2007 Thanks for the links. Marn. Reading their "love story" was nauseating, wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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