hepatocyte Posted August 8, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 8, 2007 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" So if we commit the same sin multiple times, are we doomed...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hepatocyte Posted August 8, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 Context? Hebrews Chapter 10... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Actually, context is not just one chapter. It's all of scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepatocyte Posted August 8, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/08/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 That doesn't answer my original question.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanee Posted August 8, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 55 Topic Count: 109 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 9,280 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 10,392 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/05/2007 Status: Online Birthday: 06/12/1974 Share Posted August 8, 2007 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" So if we commit the same sin multiple times, are we doomed...? im not sure but my thinking is were not doomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted August 8, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 8, 2007 As you read Hebrews 10, can you see anything in the immediate context that may reveal to us the specific sin in question that is being described here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParanoidAndroid Posted August 10, 2007 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 591 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/01/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/27/1979 Share Posted August 10, 2007 There is one point that I see as important - Repentance. If a person sins and repents, then through human failing sins again (even knowingly), but is still sorrowful at their actions and repent and promise not to do it again, then even if they fail in their promise, i think that means they are struggling with their sin. That is human nature. However, if a person recognises something as wrong, but does it anyway, and with no feelings of remorse, then that is moving into the territory covered by this passage. For example: Christian A has pre-marital sex. He knows it's wrong. He promised God he'd never do it again. But his lust got the better of him. He's truly sorry, and promises to God that he'll try to do better next time. Christian B has pre-marital sex. He knows it's wrong but gives God the finger and says "who cares, it feels good. God, you don't know what it's like living with these feelings so just shut up and let me do this, ok". One of these examples is just a mistake, which as humans we all make. The other example is a deliberate and conscious disobedience of God's law, leading to hypocrisy and ultimately death. Only God knows the heart of the person committing the act though, and only God will know whether they truly repented or not. For all we know, Christian A might just be saying this, but really doesn't mean it. Only God truly knows. And it's Him who will Judge at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia1 Posted August 10, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted August 10, 2007 (edited) There is one point that I see as important - Repentance. If a person sins and repents, then through human failing sins again (even knowingly), but is still sorrowful at their actions and repent and promise not to do it again, then even if they fail in their promise, i think that means they are struggling with their sin. That is human nature. However, if a person recognises something as wrong, but does it anyway, and with no feelings of remorse, then that is moving into the territory covered by this passage. For example: Christian A has pre-marital sex. He knows it's wrong. He promised God he'd never do it again. But his lust got the better of him. He's truly sorry, and promises to God that he'll try to do better next time. Christian B has pre-marital sex. He knows it's wrong but gives God the finger and says "who cares, it feels good. God, you don't know what it's like living with these feelings so just shut up and let me do this, ok". One of these examples is just a mistake, which as humans we all make. The other example is a deliberate and conscious disobedience of God's law, leading to hypocrisy and ultimately death. Only God knows the heart of the person committing the act though, and only God will know whether they truly repented or not. For all we know, Christian A might just be saying this, but really doesn't mean it. Only God truly knows. And it's Him who will Judge at the end. I agree with the android...If you consciously ,willfully sin with no regard to what The Lord is asking you not to do eventually your sin will take over, your heart will become hardened and it is ever so dangerous a place to be! Edited August 10, 2007 by patricia1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 11, 2007 Share Posted August 11, 2007 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" So if we commit the same sin multiple times, are we doomed...? Let's give this a little more context and connect it the line of thought. Therefore, brothers, since we have boldness to enter the sanctuary through the blood of Jesus, by the new and living way that He has inaugurated for us, through the curtain (that is, His flesh); and since we have a great high priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed in pure water. Let us hold on to the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works, not staying away from our meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near. For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire about to consume the adversaries. If anyone disregards Moses' law, he dies without mercy, based on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, regarded as profane the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and insulted the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:19-29) When we speaking contuing to deliberatly sin, we are speaking of sins committed high handedly for which there was no sacrficial provision in the Scripture. This passage is talking about is the disregarding of Christs sacrifice and trusting in the Levitical system which foreshadowed it. This is clarified in verse 29: How much worse punishment, do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, regarded as profane the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and insulted the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:29) In verses 28 and 29 cited above, the writer of Hebrews is using a typical rabbinic "light to heavy" argument. He points out that if a person that if a person were to dispise and utterly Moses Law in OT times, he would have died on the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses, and that being so, how much worse for those who disregard the sacrifce and blood of Christ, particularly since in God's justice the punishment is proportionate to the offense? For someone to have received, understood and accepted the knowledge of the truth pertaining to Christ's eternal sacrifice and deliberatly revert to trusting in the blood of animals is a high handed offense for which there is no provision. So the "sinning" referred to Heb 10:26 amounts to trampling underfoot the Son of God, considering his blood as like that of a common animal or man, insulting (treating with contempt) the Spirit of Grace(Holy Spirit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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