JustinM Posted August 24, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I think the whole situation (the child drawing the gun) is a great example of what happens when federal/state authority is left unchecked for too long. The kid didn't draw pictures of people being killed, murdered, tortured etc. He drew a picture of a gun, which was probably inspired by either some toys of his or video games. If he had drawn a picture of a gunman killing say his classmates billy and bobby and jean and the teacher, perhaps there would have been a reason to intervene. It was a harmless picture. Boys play cops and robbers, cowboys and indians and soldier. Maybe we should let our boys learn to be boys and let them enjoy a childhood full of action and adventure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted August 24, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Ironically...Christianity is built on authoritarianism. Absolutely! Maybe that is the root of the misunderstanding. Christian attitude towards God are misapplied to government? Govt shouldn't be revered, because reverence leaves little room for scrutiny. If we deify govt, there is nothing to keep it in check--and it must be. _______________________________________________________________________________ From my point of view I think this pretty much sums everything up. I find I can't criticise the American attitude towards Christianity because it is miles ahead of the rest of the world in it's honesty, its laws and its openness. However, I have a really big problem with the fact that so many people seem to be thinking that to be a Christian means that they have to obsequiously support government "authority". I can't remember who it was who said that "a good government is one that is afraid of its people", but a lot of you seem to forget that government exists to serve the people - not the other way around. Jesus didn't tell anyone to deify government. So why do so many people think they have to do this? bucks, we are agreeing way to much lately..........................should I worry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted August 24, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 24, 2007 but a lot of you seem to forget that government exists to serve the people Jesus didn't tell anyone to deify government. So why do so many people think they have to do this? Since you brought Jesus into it (rightfully so...) I don't recall Jesus saying that the government exists to serve the people. Its a grand idea, but not necessarily factual. The government should exist to serve God, no matter what 'the people' think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia1 Posted August 24, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted August 24, 2007 but a lot of you seem to forget that government exists to serve the people Jesus didn't tell anyone to deify government. So why do so many people think they have to do this? Since you brought Jesus into it (rightfully so...) I don't recall Jesus saying that the government exists to serve the people. Its a grand idea, but not necessarily factual. The government should exist to serve God, no matter what 'the people' think. all arguements set aside I will say if I saw that drawing in school on a students notebook and it was not art time I would be concerned for two or even maybe three reasons 1) He is not paying attention in class 2) with all that has happened and attention, he should have known better and being"The good boy" that he is may have wanted attention. 3)I may be nutz but I see more than "just plain doodling" I see a school with two levels,one with windows three smiley faces and where the trigger is underneath are three dead bodies and I am blind with my glasses still inuse. But also I see someone on top of that building and yes tomany of us it seems silly but I would not send my child back there unless the kid had a psychiatric assesment. Most of the time the parents knew nothing and the other guy from the university people knew an still couldn't do anything. Check them out when they are young...I doodle but in gunshapes... patricia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckthesystem Posted August 25, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,706 Topics Per Day: 0.26 Content Count: 3,386 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/12/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/10/1955 Share Posted August 25, 2007 but a lot of you seem to forget that government exists to serve the people Jesus didn't tell anyone to deify government. So why do so many people think they have to do this? Since you brought Jesus into it (rightfully so...) I don't recall Jesus saying that the government exists to serve the people. Its a grand idea, but not necessarily factual. The government should exist to serve God, no matter what 'the people' think. I didn't ever say that Jesus said that the government exists to serve the people. Governments are totally separate from Jesus, governments are an invention of man, and I, for one, find it obscene when people compare man's government to divinity (things like "God sees all, so why shouldn't government?") The people (the masses if you like) allow government to exist (yes, that's right "allow government to exist", they do pay for its existance you must realise) for the benefit of the people, not so that government can "bite the hand that feeds it" by "pushing round" the people and following the personal agenda of despots and providing luxurious living for politicians and senior bureaucrats. The sooner people realise that they have the power to "reign in" their employees - their government, the better off they'll be. The people exist to serve God, they don't need a government to do it for them. How can a government exist to serve God, when it is an invention of the people and all the people don't serve God. You're right about one thing, they should. Then maybe their government could, through them, serve God. But until then, no government has the right to go against what the people want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted August 25, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted August 25, 2007 not so that government can "bite the hand that feeds it" by "pushing round" the people and following the personal agenda of despots and providing luxurious living for politicians and senior bureaucrats. no government has the right to go against what the people want. These things are exactly what governments do, tho, including ours, tho "despots" is a litle harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted August 25, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I used to draw guns while bored in school all the time, I wonder what the big deal was about his picture? I certainly don't thing it warrants a suspension. I mean, I turned out alright... t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted August 25, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I used to draw guns while bored in school all the time, I wonder what the big deal was about his picture? I certainly don't thing it warrants a suspension. I mean, I turned out alright... t. says who????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted August 25, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I used to draw guns while bored in school all the time, I wonder what the big deal was about his picture? I certainly don't thing it warrants a suspension. I mean, I turned out alright... t. says who????????????? Well, I got my family and boss pretty snowed right now.... t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheya joie Posted August 25, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 25, 2007 How was that a drawing of a gun? It had stick people and faces on it; it was obviously some kind of building. I didn't think the stick people in the bottom part of the drawing looked dead, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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