Rachel72 Posted September 9, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 120 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 9, 2007 In Genesis 9:20-27, Noah becomes drunk and lays down, naked. He has three sons. Ham told his brothers, Shem and Japheth about his father being naked, and Shem and Japheth went to cover him up, but not Ham. When Noah woke up, he was upset at Ham and put a curse on Canaan, who Ham was the father of, and for Ham to be a slave to his two brothers. I am not sure I understand why? Why would Noah be angry at Ham? All three of them played a part in keeping him covered in his nakedness and drunkenness. I don't do well when someone answers and is politically correct, and trying to show off their knowledge of the Bible. If you choose to answer my question, I need you to do it in a way that I can understand it. Easy words. Please do not be offended. I just want someone to answer in a way I can understand, along with anyone else who reads and may learn from this. Thank You, Rachel72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted September 9, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Ham told his brothers to make fun of/ or tattle on his father, not so he would be covered up, if I remember correctly, the other 2 covered him in a way that they wouldn't see him while they were doing it. He should have covered him up and out of respect for his father said nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua-777 Posted September 9, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 410 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,102 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 522 Days Won: 6 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/07/1984 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Ham told his brothers to make fun of/ or tattle on his father, not so he would be covered up, if I remember correctly, the other 2 covered him in a way that they wouldn't see him while they were doing it. He should have covered him up and out of respect for his father said nothing. Thats the way I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachel72 Posted September 9, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 120 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/22/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 9, 2007 This makes perfect sense. Thank you. It kind of gives you a message of gossip as well. Thanks to both of you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted September 9, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted September 9, 2007 Very true, but I can add one other thing it can teach us, Noah was drunk, and past out, yet even then 2 of his sons showed him the honor due to him as their father according to God's word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted September 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2007 I agree. bascially Ham was rejoicing in Evil. It was the attitude of "Hey guys, come and see what I just saw". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johni Posted September 10, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 45 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2007 It was actually Canaan, Ham's son, who was cursed. And as far as we know he was not present. I don't even know if he was born yet. I read that Noah could not curse Ham because he was already blessed by God and could not be cursed personally but his son could carry the curse because of his Ham's sin (whatever it was). Another commentary I have read on this states that Ham's sin was more than just mocking his fathers drunken and naked state. That he acted in some very disrespectful way toward his father when the father was helpless to prevent him. I don't know but whatever he did, he certainly had Noah extremely upset. Imagine cursing your grandchild because of something your child has done... I think it would have to be something really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted September 10, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2007 It was actually Canaan, Ham's son, who was cursed. And as far as we know he was not present. I don't even know if he was born yet. I read that Noah could not curse Ham because he was already blessed by God and could not be cursed personally but his son could carry the curse because of his Ham's sin (whatever it was). Another commentary I have read on this states that Ham's sin was more than just mocking his fathers drunken and naked state. That he acted in some very disrespectful way toward his father when the father was helpless to prevent him. I don't know but whatever he did, he certainly had Noah extremely upset. Imagine cursing your grandchild because of something your child has done... I think it would have to be something really bad. Can you say, "dysfunctional family"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaritateDei Posted September 10, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 400 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 10, 2007 It was actually Canaan, Ham's son, who was cursed. And as far as we know he was not present. I don't even know if he was born yet. I read that Noah could not curse Ham because he was already blessed by God and could not be cursed personally but his son could carry the curse because of his Ham's sin (whatever it was). Another commentary I have read on this states that Ham's sin was more than just mocking his fathers drunken and naked state. That he acted in some very disrespectful way toward his father when the father was helpless to prevent him. I don't know but whatever he did, he certainly had Noah extremely upset. Imagine cursing your grandchild because of something your child has done... I think it would have to be something really bad. I have actually heard commentaries that agree with your second paragraph, and what it was is condemned later on in the Bible...like at Sodom...and yes, that is a very dysfunctional dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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