MeCajunboy Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 113 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,430 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/28/1952 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 Or do you believe that this warning from God was taken away with the New Testament of Christ, Or another belief? People will burn in Hell for their rejection of Jesus Christ as Savior. Whether one does or does not sin is completely irrelavent in deciding where they spend eternity. All have sinned. Assuming one was able to live perfectly, he still inherited sin's curse from Adam. One is a sinner at the moment of conception. How many or how few sins he commits in his life is irrelavent in determining where he spends eternity. Those who accept Jesus as savior spend eternity in New Jerusalem. Those who reject Him spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. Just curious ma'am, but you say "Jesus" as though fires of Hell only applied since the New Testament? What do you have to say in relation to the Old Testament> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeCajunboy Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 113 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,430 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/28/1952 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 No, I do not believe that some people will burn in hell for their sins, here's two short reasons why ... Nobody burns anywhere for their sins, since we all commit sins everyday whether we know that we do or not. Griping and complaining are definitely sin, how many of us complain from day to day? Though we may feel we have the right to, doesn't mean we ought to. People don't spend eternity with god because they refuse to accept his free gift of salvation and accept him into their hearts as lord. Lastly, hell and the Lake of Fire are two separate places. Hell and death and hades will be THROWN into the Lake of Fire, I thnk many people use the two places interchangeably ... when scripture definitely says they're different. Hell is a placeholding place of pure torment, the lake of fire is where the eternal burning that most of us speak of will take place. Aren't there particular sins in the Bible that where God/Jesus specifically state that sinners will burn in Hell? Can you show scriptural support for your beliefs? No, there are not ... simply because that would mean he scales sin. I don't have any passages in front of me, but that would totally back pedal on his point when he said "sin is sin" and that concerns no matter what it is. Humans with our finite and naturally judgmental minds, we are the ones whom put a price so to speak on how much one sin is worth in comparison to another. Blasphemey, however you won't see heaven for ... but why is that? It's not because of the "sin" so much as it is denying the power of god, in essence, not accepting him into your heart. The Pharisees and Scribes were both religious cults whom were big on that. They were not damned to punishment for leading people astray and being hyporcites, (though both are wrong) they were damned to eternal separation many of them, Nicodemus gets a free pass since he genuinely believed, because they did not accept Jesus as savior and the salvation he offered. Yet they claimed, that they were scholars and followed the law and god of Moses. They knew the law like the back of their hands, but they never got illumination or revelation knowledge about whom the Christ really was, or salvation for that matter. Back to your point though, the sins you probably refer to are idolatry, homosexuality and blasphemy. All of which, if you closely examine their nature are rejection of god. All sin is a rejection of god or his way doing things. The first two are an abomination of god, because they're distinctly not natural ... doesn't mean they are any worse than other sins because they aren't, but they're a misrepresentation of both god, and his plans for the relationship between the two genders. Romans: Chapter 3, Verses 21-25 (Check those out when you have time) Romans: Chapter 2, verses 9-11 James: Chapter 2, verse 10 There you go. You stated earlier that the sin of "blasphemy" of the Holy Spirit was in your opinion, the only sin of death. Yet you also say that God does not "scale" sin? Please explain what seems like a contradiction on your part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeCajunboy Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 113 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,430 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/28/1952 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 No, I do not believe that some people will burn in hell for their sins, here's two short reasons why ... Nobody burns anywhere for their sins, since we all commit sins everyday whether we know that we do or not. Griping and complaining are definitely sin, how many of us complain from day to day? Though we may feel we have the right to, doesn't mean we ought to. People don't spend eternity with god, only because; they refuse to accept his free gift of salvation, and accept him into their hearts as lord. Lastly, hell and the Lake of Fire are two separate places. Hell and death and hades will be THROWN into the Lake of Fire, I thnk many people use the two places interchangeably ... when scripture definitely says they're different. Hell is a placeholder of pure torment, the lake of fire is where the eternal burning that most of us speak of will take place. Then are you saying you don't believe the scripture in Matthew 5:22? But I say, if you are angry with someone you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot you are in danger of being brought before the high council. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeCajunboy Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 113 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,430 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/28/1952 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 If one does not repent of sins, they will burn in hell for them. But I don't believe it will be for eternity. Can you show scriptural support for that Kat? Well, for one thing, Rev. 20.14 says the lake of fire is the second death, not being alive burning for eternity. 2 Peter 2.6 says (NIV) "if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly..." Then Jude 7 says "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah...gave themselves up to sexual immorality...They serve as a example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning? There are many others, but I just moved and don't know where my concordance is. There is another place that says there will be nothing left of them, they will be burned up. Another place says sin and sinners will be no more. God is just, but not cruel. I would run, not walk from a god so cruel as to burn people for all eternity. He wants to eradicate sin from the universe, not have a corner of it be the horror of eternal burning. I couldn't enjoy heaven knowing there was such a corner, especially if I knew some of my loved ones were there. How could the tears be wiped from my eyes knowing this? If they were gone and not suffering any more, it would be different. Matt. 5:22 But I say, if you are angry with someone, you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot , you are in danger of being brought to high council. And if you curse someone, YOU ARE IN DANGER OF THE FIRES OF HELL. Jude 7 speaks of the "Eternal Fire" that will punish all who are evil. Note the word "Eternal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christ_Sheep Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 62 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/20/1983 Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) No, I do not believe that some people will burn in hell for their sins, here's two short reasons why ... Nobody burns anywhere for their sins, since we all commit sins everyday whether we know that we do or not. Griping and complaining are definitely sin, how many of us complain from day to day? Though we may feel we have the right to, doesn't mean we ought to. People don't spend eternity with god, only because; they refuse to accept his free gift of salvation, and accept him into their hearts as lord. Lastly, hell and the Lake of Fire are two separate places. Hell and death and hades will be THROWN into the Lake of Fire, I thnk many people use the two places interchangeably ... when scripture definitely says they're different. Hell is a placeholder of pure torment, the lake of fire is where the eternal burning that most of us speak of will take place. Then are you saying you don't believe the scripture in Matthew 5:22? But I say, if you are angry with someone you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot you are in danger of being brought before the high council. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell. No, you've taken what I said out of context. The main point I was making was that people misstake hell for the Lake of Fire, which was the true nature of my post, anything else was a byproduct of it. I believe what Matthew 5: 22 says ... but you must discern it a little deeper. If a person had accepted and truly repented and accepted Christ's free gift, then they would not be susceptible to any judgment would they? Those only apply to people whom have not accepted the lord as their savior, since true Chrstians wouldn't be doing those things on a habitual basis. Secondly, how many times have I done wrong in life? plenty of times, believe me. I did wrong yesterday, does that mean I am a son of hell? No it doesn't, because I am filled with the holy spirit and try and follow the model Christ set on a daily basis. The underlining reason why many people will be separated from god is because they truly didnt accept his free gift, not because they commited 50 sins way back in the day. Also, there will be many people claiming to be Christians who drove out demons in Christ's name, that Jesus turns away, why? Because they never had a true conversion. Its not because they lied one time in life. It's because they didn't truly accept Christ into their hearts. Like I said we ALL sin everyday and god being ominiscient is completely aware of that ... does that mean I am going to miss his Second Coming? No it doesn't. Because I have accepted and live according to his standards in both heart and deed. Edited October 30, 2007 by Christ_Sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christ_Sheep Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 62 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/20/1983 Share Posted October 30, 2007 (edited) No, I do not believe that some people will burn in hell for their sins, here's two short reasons why ... Nobody burns anywhere for their sins, since we all commit sins everyday whether we know that we do or not. Griping and complaining are definitely sin, how many of us complain from day to day? Though we may feel we have the right to, doesn't mean we ought to. People don't spend eternity with god because they refuse to accept his free gift of salvation and accept him into their hearts as lord. Lastly, hell and the Lake of Fire are two separate places. Hell and death and hades will be THROWN into the Lake of Fire, I thnk many people use the two places interchangeably ... when scripture definitely says they're different. Hell is a placeholding place of pure torment, the lake of fire is where the eternal burning that most of us speak of will take place. Aren't there particular sins in the Bible that where God/Jesus specifically state that sinners will burn in Hell? Can you show scriptural support for your beliefs? No, there are not ... simply because that would mean he scales sin. I don't have any passages in front of me, but that would totally back pedal on his point when he said "sin is sin" and that concerns no matter what it is. Humans with our finite and naturally judgmental minds, we are the ones whom put a price so to speak on how much one sin is worth in comparison to another. Blasphemey, however you won't see heaven for ... but why is that? It's not because of the "sin" so much as it is denying the power of god, in essence, not accepting him into your heart. The Pharisees and Scribes were both religious cults whom were big on that. They were not damned to punishment for leading people astray and being hyporcites, (though both are wrong) they were damned to eternal separation many of them, Nicodemus gets a free pass since he genuinely believed, because they did not accept Jesus as savior and the salvation he offered. Yet they claimed, that they were scholars and followed the law and god of Moses. They knew the law like the back of their hands, but they never got illumination or revelation knowledge about whom the Christ really was, or salvation for that matter. Back to your point though, the sins you probably refer to are idolatry, homosexuality and blasphemy. All of which, if you closely examine their nature are rejection of god. All sin is a rejection of god or his way doing things. The first two are an abomination of god, because they're distinctly not natural ... doesn't mean they are any worse than other sins because they aren't, but they're a misrepresentation of both god, and his plans for the relationship between the two genders. Romans: Chapter 3, Verses 21-25 (Check those out when you have time) Romans: Chapter 2, verses 9-11 James: Chapter 2, verse 10 There you go. You stated earlier that the sin of "blasphemy" of the Holy Spirit was in your opinion, the only sin of death. Yet you also say that God does not "scale" sin? Please explain what seems like a contradiction on your part? I was saying sin is not weighed in terms of greatest or least greatest. God, himself, said all sin is the same to him. There may be different categories of sin. For instance, most people would put taking the lord's name in vain and fornicaton in totally different categories because they're sins that are not correlated with one another. Homosexuality on the other hand, would fit more in the category of sexual immorality than taking the lord's name in vain would, why? because they're both sexual sins. Even so in god's eyes sin is still equally reprehensible. I'm moreorless talking about the 10 Commandments here. Blasphmey, is still sin in gods' eyes ... we think it's worse because you won't see heaven because of it, but it is not ... not in that sense. Its still a reprehensible sin in god's eyes. Blasphemy is denying the power of god or saying his powers are a work of the devil, that is its usual meaning. Because you won't see heaven because of it doesn't make it "worse" than the others, god has just put it in another category. For instance we have different types of sports, football, basketball, tennis, soccer and so on. An injury can occur in any of 'em, there's no way to say which sport is more injury prone or "worse". It's all our natural percetion of what is worse. Which is incorrect in god's eyes concerning sin. Edited October 30, 2007 by Christ_Sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2seven Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hi Kat God is just, but not cruel. I would run, not walk from a god so cruel as to burn people for all eternity. He wants to eradicate sin from the universe, not have a corner of it be the horror of eternal burning. I couldn't enjoy heaven knowing there was such a corner, especially if I knew some of my loved ones were there. How could the tears be wiped from my eyes knowing this? If they were gone and not suffering any more, it would be different. God is just but not cruel. - It would be cruel of God to drag people out of hell and put them into heaven, becasue they hate God so much. It would also mean that God would be taking away a persons freedom to choose between God or self. a god so cruel as to burn people for all eternity. - Hell is the absence of God. People choose it, God does not send them there. He wants to eradicate sin from the universe - He wants lovers who freely choose him (reject sin) rather than robots forced to worship him. I couldn't enjoy heaven knowing there was such a corner, especially if I knew some of my loved ones were there. How could the tears be wiped from my eyes knowing this? If they were gone and not suffering any more, it would be different. - Great questions which I have no answer for. One of the mysteries of God I suppose. Now what about that question I asked you. If one does not repent of sins, they will burn in hell for them. But I don't believe it will be for eternity. If this is true then what do these verses mean? Matt 25:41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs Posted October 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,081 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2007 If one does not repent of sins, they will burn in hell for them. But I don't believe it will be for eternity. Can you show scriptural support for that Kat? Well, for one thing, Rev. 20.14 says the lake of fire is the second death, not being alive burning for eternity. 2 Peter 2.6 says (NIV) "if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly..." Then Jude 7 says "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah...gave themselves up to sexual immorality...They serve as a example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning? There are many others, but I just moved and don't know where my concordance is. There is another place that says there will be nothing left of them, they will be burned up. Another place says sin and sinners will be no more. God is just, but not cruel. I would run, not walk from a god so cruel as to burn people for all eternity. He wants to eradicate sin from the universe, not have a corner of it be the horror of eternal burning. I couldn't enjoy heaven knowing there was such a corner, especially if I knew some of my loved ones were there. How could the tears be wiped from my eyes knowing this? If they were gone and not suffering any more, it would be different. Kat, The reason you consider an eternal punishment to be unjust and cruel, is because you are looking at sin from a human perspective instead of God's perspective. Our tendency as humans is to view sin too lightly. Maybe the following illustration will help a little: God created the universe and everything in it;and as He did so He put stars and planets in place by the Word of His mouth and they remained. He caused mountains to rise, and an ocean to form and He gave the ocean borders that it could not cross. All this magnificent creation you see is under His control and as Jesus showed, even the sea becomes still when He commands it. So after creating all this splendor and greatness He turns to you and I, such little tiny insignifigant creatures that we are, and says '"Come." And we say "No!", and in defiance we go and live our lives with hate and rebellion in our hearts toward Him. While all our lives enjoying the blessings of health and prosperity that He gives, we yet curse His name, break His laws, and spurn His Son. This, then is the great sin that is judged with hell. Sin is terrible, it is nothing but us seeking to take the place of God and be the god of our own universe and destiny. This is why pride is the root of all sin. Remember what happened to Satan when he rebelled? He was cast from heaven along with his followers for all of eternity and they will spend it in the lake of fire. Yet I have never heard someone say that it is unjust or unrighteous of God to send Satan to such a place. In seeing that man has done exactly the same thing as Satan, we recognize that hell is truly deserved and what a holy and perfect God must do. The Bible says in many places that the lake of fire IS for eternity and that is what it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicki-aka-bebe Posted October 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 239 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/13/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2007 Well i agree with most everyone that if u have not accepted Jesus as ur Lord and saviour and repented of ur sins. and confessed with ur mouth, then i believe u will die and go to hell for eternity. but thank the Lord he came to save us all, and all we have to do is call on him... God Bless sister vicki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeCajunboy Posted November 3, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 113 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,430 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/28/1952 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 If one does not repent of sins, they will burn in hell for them. But I don't believe it will be for eternity. Can you show scriptural support for that Kat? Well, for one thing, Rev. 20.14 says the lake of fire is the second death, not being alive burning for eternity. 2 Peter 2.6 says (NIV) "if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly..." Then Jude 7 says "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah...gave themselves up to sexual immorality...They serve as a example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning? There are many others, but I just moved and don't know where my concordance is. There is another place that says there will be nothing left of them, they will be burned up. Another place says sin and sinners will be no more. God is just, but not cruel. I would run, not walk from a god so cruel as to burn people for all eternity. He wants to eradicate sin from the universe, not have a corner of it be the horror of eternal burning. I couldn't enjoy heaven knowing there was such a corner, especially if I knew some of my loved ones were there. How could the tears be wiped from my eyes knowing this? If they were gone and not suffering any more, it would be different. Kat, I don't doubt that "people" or human beings won't burn in HELL, but I think it quite possible that their "souls" will burn in the eternal flame that is spoken of in scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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