lupins_girl Posted November 13, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 11 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/13/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/03/1992 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Separation of church and state; the government can't be seen endorsing a particular religion, so I guess it makes sense to me. Actually, I don't see it as a problem at all. People can put what they want up on private property, but the government needs to represent all the people including religious minorities, so it really doesn't make sense for a particular faith to be endorsed or have its holidays celebrated. As for people saying "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas", who cares? Say what you want. When I say happy holidays it's because I'm referring to several holidays -- Thanksgiving, Christmas, Chanukah because some of my friends celebrate it and New Year's. Being inclusive isn't a sin. I think it's a very silly and frivolous thing to get worked up over. Just say whatever makes you happy and let everyone else have the same privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted November 13, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2007 Separation of church and state; the government can't be seen endorsing a particular religion, so I guess it makes sense to me. Actually, I don't see it as a problem at all. People can put what they want up on private property, but the government needs to represent all the people including religious minorities, so it really doesn't make sense for a particular faith to be endorsed or have its holidays celebrated. As for people saying "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas", who cares? Say what you want. When I say happy holidays it's because I'm referring to several holidays -- Thanksgiving, Christmas, Chanukah because some of my friends celebrate it and New Year's. Being inclusive isn't a sin. I think it's a very silly and frivolous thing to get worked up over. Just say whatever makes you happy and let everyone else have the same privilege. Finally another voice of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted November 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Both of you. . . You are mischaracterizing this debate and throwing in yet another hypothetical, theoretical, philosophical subject that isn't relevant to this discussion. That was a very dishonest thing to say forrestkc and thoughtful you are niave to agree with him. Who do you think leads the blanket, canned food and Christmas gift drives? It's the Church, every year, in my church, we always collected canned food, supplies, bedding and clothing for the needy from Thanksgiving all the way through the New Year. Yes, but typically not the same churches that sue the city to get a ten commandments monument in the court house. Lets call a spade a spade here. Catholic Charities and the Mainline Protestant churches that run the bulk of the soup kitchens and homeless missions are not the ones out there blowing millions on law suits that they know they won't win. Its these marginal groups that choose to blow their money on the culture war whipping post of the week rather than invest it in their communities. Why can't we do both? t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.74 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.84 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted November 14, 2007 People can put what they want up on private property, but the government needs to represent all the people including religious minorities, so it really doesn't make sense for a particular faith to be endorsed or have its holidays celebrated. But if December 25 is not acknowledged as the day we celebrate the birth of Christ, then what is it? Or would you rather, like many atheists I have heard, wish to return the day to the celebration of the Sun (El Sol)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted November 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2007 Both of you. . . You are mischaracterizing this debate and throwing in yet another hypothetical, theoretical, philosophical subject that isn't relevant to this discussion. That was a very dishonest thing to say forrestkc and thoughtful you are niave to agree with him. Who do you think leads the blanket, canned food and Christmas gift drives? It's the Church, every year, in my church, we always collected canned food, supplies, bedding and clothing for the needy from Thanksgiving all the way through the New Year. Yes, but typically not the same churches that sue the city to get a ten commandments monument in the court house. Lets call a spade a spade here. Catholic Charities and the Mainline Protestant churches that run the bulk of the soup kitchens and homeless missions are not the ones out there blowing millions on law suits that they know they won't win. Its these marginal groups that choose to blow their money on the culture war whipping post of the week rather than invest it in their communities. Why can't we do both? t. Technically you could, but somewhere priorities must be established because of the finite resources that any organizations have. Either a church puts its resources into the community, or it chooses to spend what could possibly be millions on cases that it knows it probably won't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted November 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Both of you. . . You are mischaracterizing this debate and throwing in yet another hypothetical, theoretical, philosophical subject that isn't relevant to this discussion. That was a very dishonest thing to say forrestkc and thoughtful you are niave to agree with him. Who do you think leads the blanket, canned food and Christmas gift drives? It's the Church, every year, in my church, we always collected canned food, supplies, bedding and clothing for the needy from Thanksgiving all the way through the New Year. Yes, but typically not the same churches that sue the city to get a ten commandments monument in the court house. Lets call a spade a spade here. Catholic Charities and the Mainline Protestant churches that run the bulk of the soup kitchens and homeless missions are not the ones out there blowing millions on law suits that they know they won't win. Its these marginal groups that choose to blow their money on the culture war whipping post of the week rather than invest it in their communities. Why can't we do both? t. Technically you could, but somewhere priorities must be established because of the finite resources that any organizations have. Either a church puts its resources into the community, or it chooses to spend what could possibly be millions on cases that it knows it probably won't win. On the flip side, the less resistance an opposing force encounters, the more it pushes. Someone has to present the case, don't they? t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted November 14, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2007 On the flip side, the less resistance an opposing force encounters, the more it pushes. Someone has to present the case, don't they? t. I agree, but I also think we need to do better at picking our battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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