Jason Gastrich Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/13/1974 Author Share Posted April 17, 2004 Hi Rick, Thanks for your message. While I'm sure your heart is in the right place, I didn't come here to answer long lists of copied and pasted statements. I have answers to all of those and did answer the first two in this message, though. ...and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. (Matthew 1:16) Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, ... (Luke 3:23) According to Morris (Many Infallible Proofs p. 62) it is Jewish custom to consider one's father-in-law as a father, which would explain Joseph's two fathers. I find this somewhat lacking, however, because we see that the lineage converges further up at King David, which would indicate that Joseph and Mary were related. I've also heard that one of the lineages describes the line of Mary, while the other describes the line of Joseph. Strangely, though, they both end in Joseph. In the genealogy described by St. Luke, there are two sons improperly such: i.e. two sons-in-law, instead of two sons. As the Hebrews never permitted women to enter into their genealogical tables, whenever a family happened to end with a daughter, instead of naming her in the genealogy, they inserted her husband, as the son of him who was, in reality, but his father-in-law. - Adam Clarke So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. (Matthew 27:5) (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out...) (Acts 1:18) One reconciliation of these passages is that he tried to hang himself, but was unsuccessful, so he jumped off a cliff that was on his property. (Or that he hanged himself near a cliff, and the rope broke.) But the first passage doesn't say that he tried to hang himself, and mentions nothing of his body bursting open. Likewise, the second passage says that he fell head first in a field, not down a cliff. You are making an argument from silence. We see a couple of omissions. Omissions are not necessarily errors and surely not errors in this case because both accounts harmonize. God bless, Jason Well Jason, I guess you will just have to wait on questions to arrive that you feel like answering. I personally dont doubt the inerrancy of God's word, But only posted the questions up since they were used by an atheist on these forums to give credibility to his beleifs. I thought maybe you could address them and provide a rebuttal to the claims. I guess they dont meet your criteria, as they are cut and pasted. But thanks anyway! And thanks for addressing the first two questions. Hopefully you will get some of the more appealing questions you feel like answering soon. From the thread, I gathered that no one was asking questions that you considered to be acceptable either. These were legitimate questions concerning subject matter that some consider to be inerrancy. Maybe you should clarify just which questions you will answer, and maybe include what format you would like them in as well. We sure dont need anything else to stand in the way of you being able to answer the questions that you so eagerly asked for us to present to you. Rick Hi Rick, I wasn't notified of your message, so that's why I didn't respond until now. The questions you asked were perfect. They were just the kinds of questions I was seeking. Thanks. How has your research been going? Surely, you have been researching those questions and looking for the answers. Yes? When time permits, likely Monday, I'll return and answer a few more of those questions. Someone sent me a private message and encouraged me to answer. He said it would encourage Cerran. You mentioned something similar. It is normally my policy to avoid long copy and paste lists from people because the people who post them are usually disingenuous and it amounts to question bombing. However, I'll make an exception in this case because of your sincere request, the requests from the private messages, and from the prompting of God's Spirit. Incidentally, if someone wishes to have nearly 4,000 answers to the tough questions about the Bible, then they can purchase my book. You can download a free sample and see more about it here: http://sab.jcsm.org . Have a great weekend and I'll see you soon. God bless, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Gastrich Posted April 19, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/13/1974 Author Share Posted April 19, 2004 Jason . . .I know to have found an error in the bible: 1 Corinthians 14:34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. Surely women are allowed to speak aren't they? :x: Only kidding Jason, I know the bible has no mistakes, ( just that Paul was wrong on this one . . . .or was he?) Hi Marc, These verses read: "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church." Recently, I created a web page for 10 hermeneutical tips for understanding the scriptures. Please check it out and let me know how you would interpret this verse. Afterwards, I'll give my input. Link: http://jcsm.org/Education/hermeneutics.htm . God bless, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Gastrich Posted April 19, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/13/1974 Author Share Posted April 19, 2004 As promised, here are some more answers. Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah." (2 Samuel 24:1) Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. (1 Chronicles 21:1) In 2 Samuel 24:1, this Hebrew word is translated "moved" and not "tempted." God let David be tempted to take this census. Since God is sovereign and in control of all things, even when He allows something to happen, it may be said that He made it happen. Consequently, He didn't literally tempt David, but He let him be tempted. 1 Chronicles 21:1 indicates that Satan tempted David to take the census. This is exactly what happened. Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:12) Do not repay any one evil for evil. (Romans 12:17, likewise Matthew 5:39) I have heard the explanation that a person who is harmed should not harm another in return, but rather the community should serve the punishment. And the Romans commandment is for personal affairs, while Exodus is a community law. But the second passage makes no qualifications. I can think of another simple command: "...love your neighbor as yourself..." (Leviticus 19:18). Can this statement also be conditional? The scripture in Exodus was written to and for the ancient Israelites. It was dealing with capital punishment. Capital punishment was the consequence for a variety of things that are not applicable to New Testament believers. Incidentally, you can read Romans 13 for a New Testament passage on capital punishment. If you are wondering how to interpret the scriptures and why the verses in Exodus and Leviticus apply to the ancient Israelites and why the verses in Matthew and Romans apply to the church, check out my page on hermeneutics: http://jcsm.org/Education/hermeneutics.htm . ... Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, ... (2 Samuel 21:19) .. Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, ... (1 Chronicles 20:5) In the KJV and NJKV, 2 Samuel 21:19 corresponds with 1 Samuel 17:50. There is consistency. Some manuscripts or translations may not indicate "the brother of," but even in those, the meaning is surely implied and known. Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he said this, he breathed his last. (Luke 23:46) When he received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. (John 19:30) After He received the vinegar, John states that Jesus said (in a regular voice), "It is finished." Matthew 27:46 records Jesus crying, before receiving the vinegar, in a loud voice, "My God, why have you forsaken Me?," but clearly says He said something else in a loud voice (Matthew 27:50) before He died. Luke 23:46 records Jesus crying, in a loud voice, "Into your hands, I commit my Spirit." These are all complementary statements that happened at different times. They are clearly given by people who are in different proximities from Jesus' crucifixion. John was near Jesus, but only recorded one of His statements. Matthew was in the general vicinity of Jesus, before He said, "My God, why have you forsaken Me?," then He moved further from Him and couldn't record anything else He said. Luke was eventually in the general vicinity and recorded Jesus' very last words. None of the disciples made "mutually exclusive" statements that would nullify any of the other accounts. All of these statements were made by Jesus Christ and Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John compiled an account of them. Were there more statements that were not recorded? All of these answers have been copied from my book - The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained - http://sab.jcsm.org . God bless, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facedown Posted April 20, 2004 Share Posted April 20, 2004 Jason, I'm going to check out your site. The last time I went through the NT, I found scripture that was at the time a mystery-I could not explain what it said. I'm not saying that it was contradictory, but when I get the chance later on this week, I will go back through and try to post them, see what you think. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Gastrich Posted April 20, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/13/1974 Author Share Posted April 20, 2004 You bet, facedown. I'll be happy to answer. God bless, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mscoville Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Brother Jason, Thanks so much for this thread! What is your understanding of the varying accounts of the resurrection? Numbers of angels, who went in first etc.. I've heard good defenses in books before, just want to hear your take. God Bless. ~ martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Musique Posted May 8, 2004 Share Posted May 8, 2004 BIBLE BLOOPERS! I was rather surprised by some of the sarcastic comments in this topic. So, for a little light relief I offer the following for the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kittylover0991 Posted May 8, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 490 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,726 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/06/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/1990 Share Posted May 8, 2004 My borther is an atheist, adn ym mom belvies in this Christain-evoltion thing. She belives that What teh bibel says is true, and that evoltuion occured, The bibel doesnot contradict evolution(not talkign about human evoltion). Is evolition possible? What abotu darwins theory, "Sruvival fo teh fitest?" my borther belives in that, adn uses it against the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kittylover0991 Posted May 8, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 490 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,726 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/06/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/1990 Share Posted May 8, 2004 My borther is an atheist, adn ym mom belvies in this Christain-evoltion thing. She belives that What teh bibel says is true, and that evoltuion occured, The bibel doesnot contradict evolution(not talkign about human evoltion). Is evolition possible? What abotu darwins theory, "Sruvival fo teh fitest?" my borther belives in that, adn uses it against the Lord. :x: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehut Posted May 9, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,216 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/16/1962 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Psalms 23 in the King James version we all learned pretty much by heart. However when reading it in the NIV part of the 23 Psalm is deleted. Why is that? NIV 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want. 2 He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters, 3 he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever. KJV: 1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. What's missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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