The Lorax Posted February 21, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Glory, just out of curiosity, do you think it's polite to question someone's faith? Surely you didn't mean to offend.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted February 21, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Wrong, Forrest. Premeditated murder is covered by the ultimate blanket statements, the Ten Commandments, and number six clearly states "Thou Shalt Not Kill". Ah, you must be against capital punishment, then. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Those that don't arrive at positions through reason and objectivity cannot unfortunately tell the difference between faith and reason. I take that this is the PC way of calling the rest of us a bunch of idiots? Dodging questions and insults aren't the way to "win friends and influence people," you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted February 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2008 Forrest, There's only one world view when it comes to Christianity. Peace, Dave Well technically your right. However, as none of us are perfect Christians, none of us fully have that Christian world view. Forrest, So what do you do when someones, an elected public official whom is seeking your endorsement, position disagrees with your Faith? Do you follow man or God? Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Its not unauthorized. Patrick told him to use the same argument. Politicians use the same arguments their peers use all the time. You're unintentionally hilarious today. It's one thing to give the same argument, but it's another thing to lift a 2 year old speech almost verbatim. But, hey, he's your guy. Let's hope, if he makes it to the White House, while he's staring down Islamic terrorists, he can lift Ronald Regan speeches. There might be hope with a parrot as President. It's not what you know....it's who you quote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted February 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2008 Indeed, many of the people who support Obama are devout Christians. They just happen to have a world-view that differs from yours. NO devout Christian could support partial birth abortion, a procedure that Obama supports, without being a total phoney. You cant make blanket statements like that. Its like saying that no devout Christian could possibly support preemptive war, or no devout Christian could possibly support torturing detainees as both of those are completely antithetical to scripture. Yet, devout Christians can and do disagree on a variety of issues like those. Wrong, Forrest. Premeditated murder is covered by the ultimate blanket statements, the Ten Commandments, and number six clearly states "Thou Shalt Not Kill". I don't recall any such prohibitions against waterboarding detainees or preemptive war in the Bible. Not the same thing at all. You cannot be a devout Christian and support the barbaric practice of partially delivering and murdering a child. Your Bible would fit on the back of a business card if you think it does not prohibit torture and preemptive war. Who would Jesus torture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted February 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2008 Forrest, So what do you do when someones, an elected public official whom is seeking your endorsement, position disagrees with your Faith? Do you follow man or God? Peace, Dave As soon as that candidate exists that does not disagree with a Christian teaching on at least one issue, please let me know. I realize that we have to make judgments on which candidates we are going to support on the basis of compromises in our values regardless of whether we support a Republican or a Democrat, the problem it seems is that you don't and thats pretty dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted February 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2008 Pre-Emptive War. God Himself slew over 100,000 Syrians prior to their promised invasion of Israel in the days of Hezekiah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted February 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2008 Pre-Emptive War. God Himself slew over 100,000 Syrians prior to their promised invasion of Israel in the days of Hezekiah. I think there is a difference between God protecting Israel, the nation that would eventually bring forth the Messiah, and the general conduct of peoples and nations. In fact, I think that virtually every theologian would argue that regardless of their denomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted February 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 21, 2008 God wasn't dealing with peoples and Nations in that instance? He isn't still dealing with peoples and Nations today? How about the current problem with the Nation of Israel? I have seen you state many times that we are impossible and not rationale for believing that God will act on behalf of His land and His Nation and that we should follow in accord with our public and foreign policy. God never changes, He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. P.S. I'm not interested in the positions of Theologians. Their often inconsistant and wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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