The "Good Friday" Hoax

[psalmone]

Jesus told them also of how He'd rebuild the temple in 3 days (3 nights wern't mentioned here), and He was referring to His body John 2:19,21. This implies He meant things lighter than the way we've been taking it.

[psalmone]

I believe Jesus took opportunity of the image of Jonah to tell the scribes and pharasees the type of things that he would suffer ahead (and partly because of them), and the passage is more of a rebuke to their corrupt generation, and esteeming Nineveh and the Queen of the South for their repentance. IMO the greater emphasis here was not on the 3 days/3 nights, it may be how it was translated that made it stand out beyond measure. The adversity was probably trying to exploit a misemphasis.

Edited March 1, 2008 by psalmone

[Guest shiloh357]

Jesus told them also of how He'd rebuild the temple in 3 days (3 nights wern't mentioned here), and He was referring to His body John 2:19,21. This implies He meant things lighter here than the way we've been taking it.

Yes, but the Bible clarifies that and that is my point. The Bible is careful to note that Jesus was talking about His body and not the literal Temple.

We do not have ANY textual indicators that Jesus meant anything other than three days and three nights when he referred to his burial and resurrection. Furthermore, He cited Jonah's spending 72 hours in the belly of the fish and he used it as a literal event. No attempt was been made by Jesus or any other biblical writer to make Jonah's time less than 72 hours. It is treated as a litera event and Jesus expected to be understood in the same literal fashion.

[Richard_yaash]

It spells to me...that the chronology is as follows: The day of preparation - Jesus dies. The Sabbath - Jesus is in the tomb. The day after the Sabbath, Jesus rises from the dead.

CaritateDei, would you consider reviewing this: Link?

"In the Bible, parts of time units were frequently counted as wholes. Thus a king might be said to have reigned for two years, even if he reigned for only fourteen months. In the same way, a day and a night does not mean a period of twenty-four hours. It can refer to any portion of a day coupled with any portion of a night. The expression "three days and three nights" could be used as simply a slightly hyperbolic way of referring to "three days."

The counting of regnal years can sometimes be difficult or 'easy to make a mistake in' even amoung those familiar with such. I would ask if you would be so kind as to examine the link provided. Within, you may perhaps find a 'verse' or 'two' that may be of interest to you.

[psalmone]

It spells to me...that the chronology is as follows: The day of preparation - Jesus dies. The Sabbath - Jesus is in the tomb. The day after the Sabbath, Jesus rises from the dead.

CaritateDei, would you consider reviewing this: Link?

"In the Bible, parts of time units were frequently counted as wholes. Thus a king might be said to have reigned for two years, even if he reigned for only fourteen months. In the same way, a day and a night does not mean a period of twenty-four hours. It can refer to any portion of a day coupled with any portion of a night. The expression "three days and three nights" could be used as simply a slightly hyperbolic way of referring to "three days."

The counting of regnal years can sometimes be difficult or 'easy to make a mistake in' even amoung those familiar with such. I would ask if you would be so kind as to examine the link provided. Within, you may perhaps find a 'verse' or 'two' that may be of interest to you.

I was impressed with the link if I may add, and was pleasantly enlightened. If it adds any further substance to the discussion I was surprised to notice that, "the next day, which followed the day of preparation..." Matt27:vs62, was still even more time to account for. If the Jewish day begins at dusk then...??? Let the experts work it out (lol). Also if the ninth hour is about 6 o'clock the Jesus' would have been still on the cross therefore would have been placed in the heart of the earth between then and dusk, or was it rather a spiritual descent? Through the fact that He gave "up" "the ghost"? Solomon tells us that the spirit of men rise and that of beasts descends to the earth Ecc3:21.

[Yahsway]

Yeshua died on the 14th of Nisan. The Jews had to hurry to put His body in the tomb because the sabbath was drawing near. But this is not the weekly sabbath. This Sabbath was a High Sabbath and the 1st day of Unleavened Bread(Nisan 15). A High Sabbath in Hebrew is called a Shabbaton. During Passover, there is an extra sabbath besides the weekly Sabbath.

This can be found in John 19:31. This would mean that Yeshua died on the 14th of Nisan, the day of Passover. Yeshua was in the tomb the day following His crucifixon, which was the 15th of Nisan, the 1st day of Unleavened bread.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread was so much a part of Passover that the names of Passover and Unleavened Bread were used interchangeably or almost synonymously.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the 15th of the Month of Nisan which is the day following Passover.

Israels annual feasts-

Passover- 14th day of Nisan (abib)

Unleavened Bread 15th day of Nisan (abib)

Firstfruits 17th day of Nisan (abib)

The theme for the Festival of Firstfruits is resurrection and salvation. For instance

Noahs ark rests on Mt. Ararat Gen 8:4 "Then the ark rested on the 7th month, the 17th day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat.

Israel crosses the Red Sea Ex. 3:18 "Then they will heed your voice and you shall come, you and the elders of Israel, to the king of Egypt, and you shall say to him, the Lord God of the Hebrews has meet with us, and now please let us go 3 days journey into the wilderness.......

First we have the Passover Ex. 12:6 The whole assembly of Israel kills the Passover lamb at twilight. 14th of Nisan

Then Unleavened Bread Ex 12:15-17 (15th day of Nisan) "So you shall observe the Feasts of Unleavened Bread, for on this SAME DAY I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe THIS DAY thruout your generations as an everlating ordinance.

3 days journey after the Passover, 15, 16 17.

In Joshua 5"10-12 we find that on the 16th day of Nisan The manna that God gave the children of Israel had ceased.

Now the children of Israel camped in Gilgal, and kept the Passover on the 14th day of the month at twilight on the plai and parched grains of Jerico. And the ate of the produce of the land on the day after Passover (15th) unleavened bread on the very same day(15th)

Then the manna CEASED on the day after they had eaten the produce of the land (16th) and the children of Israel no longer had manna, but they ate the food of the land of Canaan that year.

The day following the 16th was the 17th (very elementary) and it was on the 17th day of Nisan that the children of Israel ate the First fruits of the Promised Land.

Does anyone here see the picture of our Messiah in this?

Lets look at Esther where Haman is defeated. Remember the Theme for the Feasts of Firstfruits is Resurrection and Salvation.

A decree was sent out on the 13th day of Nisan that all the Jews should be killed. 3:12

Ester proclaims a 3 day fast after hearing this which would be Nisan 14-16 (Esther 4:16

On the 16th day she risks her life by going to the king unannounced.

She proclaims to the king "If it please the king, may the king and Haman come this day to the banquet that i have prepared for him" Esther 5:4

This was on the 16th day of Nisan.

Then Esther asked the king to come the next day (17th Nisan) for another banquet.

On this day Haman a type of antichrist is hanged. SALVATION for the Jews.

And of course The resurrection of Yeshua, the Messiah. Yeshua celebrated the festival of Firstfruits by offering Himself as the first fruits to all future generations.

Yeshua was slain on the tree on the day of Passover, the 14th of Nisan and He arose from the grave 3 days and nights after He was slain, Yeshua arose from the grave on the 17th day of Nisan, the Day of the Festival of FirstFruits.

The Feasts and Festivals given to us by God are very important for they are His appointed times. Like Christmas that falls every 25th of December and we all know Christmas does not fall on the SAME day each year, so Passover is also moveable. It does not fall on the same day Each year.

Now Easter has a set day each year, Sunday of course preceded by "Good Friday" but this was instituted by the Church of Rome. It set the day. So that each year it is different than the Passover of each year. Why is that? Why does the Church seperated itself from Gods appointed times?

[Guest yod]

Jesus told them also of how He'd rebuild the temple in 3 days (3 nights wern't mentioned here), and He was referring to His body John 2:19,21. This implies He meant things lighter here than the way we've been taking it.

Yes, but the Bible clarifies that and that is my point. The Bible is careful to note that Jesus was talking about His body and not the literal Temple.

We do not have ANY textual indicators that Jesus meant anything other than three days and three nights when he referred to his burial and resurrection. Furthermore, He cited Jonah's spending 72 hours in the belly of the fish and he used it as a literal event. No attempt was been made by Jesus or any other biblical writer to make Jonah's time less than 72 hours. It is treated as a litera event and Jesus expected to be understood in the same literal fashion.

and now I'll further complicate things by mentioning that the Essene's were considered legitimate holy men by Israelis and the legitimate High Priest was among them while the High Priest in Jerusalem was a political office sold to the highest bidder since the days of the Maccabean Revolt

They both had different calendars so one group may have Passover on a different day than the other also. My guess is that Yeshua would have observed the biblical Pesach (as the Essenes did)

[sheya joie]

Ok, here's the part that seems to me to indicate that there were two Sabbaths (one of them the High one as part of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the other the regular end-of-week Sabbath).

You see, at the end of Mark 15, the women watched as Joseph buried Jesus' body in the tomb. Then the first two verses of Mark 16 say:

1 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary

the mother

of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.

2 Very early in the morning, on the first

day

of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Ok, now the last two verses of Luke 23 say:

55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid.

56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

(All verses NKJV)

Now, does anyone see the problem here? Mark has it that the women buy the spices after the Sabbath - but Luke has it that the women prepare the spices before the Sabbath. If both references are to a single Sabbath, then the women prepared the spices, rested on the Sabbath, then went and bought the spices they had already prepared.

The only way I can see that the two passages reconcile, is if the women go buy the spices after one Sabbath (the High one), prepare the spices, then rest on a second Sabbath (the regular weekly one) - and then off to the tomb on Sunday morning to receive the surprise on their lives.

[psalmone]

Yeshua died on the 14th of Nisan. The Jews had to hurry to put His body in the tomb because the sabbath was drawing near. But this is not the weekly sabbath. This Sabbath was a High Sabbath and the 1st day of Unleavened Bread(Nisan 15). A High Sabbath in Hebrew is called a Shabbaton. During Passover, there is an extra sabbath besides the weekly Sabbath.

This can be found in John 19:31. This would mean that Yeshua died on the 14th of Nisan, the day of Passover. Yeshua was in the tomb the day following His crucifixon, which was the 15th of Nisan, the 1st day of Unleavened bread.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread was so much a part of Passover that the names of Passover and Unleavened Bread were used interchangeably or almost synonymously.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the 15th of the Month of Nisan which is the day following Passover.

Israels annual feasts-

Passover- 14th day of Nisan (abib)

Unleavened Bread 15th day of Nisan (abib)

Firstfruits 17th day of Nisan (abib)

The theme for the Festival of Firstfruits is resurrection and salvation. For instance

Noahs ark rests on Mt. Ararat Gen 8:4 "Then the ark rested on the 7th month, the 17th day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat.

Israel crosses the Red Sea Ex. 3:18 "Then they will heed your voice and you shall come, you and the elders of Israel, to the king of Egypt, and you shall say to him, the Lord God of the Hebrews has meet with us, and now please let us go 3 days journey into the wilderness.......

First we have the Passover Ex. 12:6 The whole assembly of Israel kills the Passover lamb at twilight. 14th of Nisan

Then Unleavened Bread Ex 12:15-17 (15th day of Nisan) "So you shall observe the Feasts of Unleavened Bread, for on this SAME DAY I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe THIS DAY thruout your generations as an everlating ordinance.

3 days journey after the Passover, 15, 16 17.

In Joshua 5"10-12 we find that on the 16th day of Nisan The manna that God gave the children of Israel had ceased.

Now the children of Israel camped in Gilgal, and kept the Passover on the 14th day of the month at twilight on the plai and parched grains of Jerico. And the ate of the produce of the land on the day after Passover (15th) unleavened bread on the very same day(15th)

Then the manna CEASED on the day after they had eaten the produce of the land (16th) and the children of Israel no longer had manna, but they ate the food of the land of Canaan that year.

The day following the 16th was the 17th (very elementary) and it was on the 17th day of Nisan that the children of Israel ate the First fruits of the Promised Land.

Does anyone here see the picture of our Messiah in this?

Lets look at Esther where Haman is defeated. Remember the Theme for the Feasts of Firstfruits is Resurrection and Salvation.

A decree was sent out on the 13th day of Nisan that all the Jews should be killed. 3:12

Ester proclaims a 3 day fast after hearing this which would be Nisan 14-16 (Esther 4:16

On the 16th day she risks her life by going to the king unannounced.

She proclaims to the king "If it please the king, may the king and Haman come this day to the banquet that i have prepared for him" Esther 5:4

This was on the 16th day of Nisan.

Then Esther asked the king to come the next day (17th Nisan) for another banquet.

On this day Haman a type of antichrist is hanged. SALVATION for the Jews.

And of course The resurrection of Yeshua, the Messiah. Yeshua celebrated the festival of Firstfruits by offering Himself as the first fruits to all future generations.

Yeshua was slain on the tree on the day of Passover, the 14th of Nisan and He arose from the grave 3 days and nights after He was slain, Yeshua arose from the grave on the 17th day of Nisan, the Day of the Festival of FirstFruits.

The Feasts and Festivals given to us by God are very important for they are His appointed times. Like Christmas that falls every 25th of December and we all know Christmas does not fall on the SAME day each year, so Passover is also moveable. It does not fall on the same day Each year.

Now Easter has a set day each year, Sunday of course preceded by "Good Friday" but this was instituted by the Church of Rome. It set the day. So that each year it is different than the Passover of each year. Why is that? Why does the Church seperated itself from Gods appointed times?

Thanks, that was a blessing.

[psalmone]

Jesus told them also of how He'd rebuild the temple in 3 days (3 nights wern't mentioned here), and He was referring to His body John 2:19,21. This implies He meant things lighter here than the way we've been taking it.

Yes, but the Bible clarifies that and that is my point. The Bible is careful to note that Jesus was talking about His body and not the literal Temple.

We do not have ANY textual indicators that Jesus meant anything other than three days and three nights when he referred to his burial and resurrection. Furthermore, He cited Jonah's spending 72 hours in the belly of the fish and he used it as a literal event. No attempt was been made by Jesus or any other biblical writer to make Jonah's time less than 72 hours. It is treated as a litera event and Jesus expected to be understood in the same literal fashion.

I have since my last post been persuaded that there may be more substance to the 3days/3nights matter.