Ddavid from NC Posted March 11, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 196 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,343 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1964 Share Posted March 11, 2008 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 2 Peter 3:12NKJV It seems by reading this verse that the God's timing can be hastened or stalled. What do you interpret from this verse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted March 11, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted March 11, 2008 While we cannot know the day or time of the Lord's return, He nevertheless told us to discern the time as we discern the coming of the seasons. Two things are essentially required for the Lord's return: The increase of sin and the influence of the Satanic realm, and the preparation of the Bride of Christ, which is the church. On our side, as the church, we must continually gain more of Christ, to be built into Him, to be blent with one another, and to be built together with one another, so that the Bride can be built, prepared and ready for the return of the Bridegroom. On the other side, that is, the negatigve side, the declining condition of the world situation will press the saints in the church more into the Bride, and thus will hasten the end of this age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~pearl Posted March 11, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 700 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/11/1977 Share Posted March 11, 2008 We need to look at the surrounding verses 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting(hastening)unto the coming day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? (KJV) Also it should be pointed out that this passage is talking about the return of Christ for Judgement not the "rapture". So maybe the hastening is to win as many souls as quickly as possible to the kingdom to speed up the great tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 2 Peter 3:12NKJV It seems by reading this verse that the God's timing can be hastened or stalled. What do you interpret from this verse? Things aren't always as they "seem". 2 Peter 3 14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heresyhunter Posted March 11, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 170 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted March 11, 2008 Good question, DdavidfromNC. Jesus said that the Kingdom of Heaven is within us. We certainly can hasten or slow the process by which the Kingdom of Heaven is established within us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted March 11, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted March 11, 2008 Looking at the greek will also aid in our understanding of 2 Peter 3:12. What some versions have interpreted as hasten is misleading because to hasten something means something different now than when the KJV for example was initially translated. the greek word "spuedo" actually has more of a nuance of "earnestly desiring" That is why the CSB translated it as: as you wait for and earnestly desire the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be on fire and be dissolved, and the elements will melt with the heat. 2 Peter 3:12 HCSB That was also the spirit of what "to hasten" meant when the KJV translators chose that word. people hasten it in that they so desire it that they wish it would come quicker. So this passage does not teach that we can make Jesus return more quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddavid from NC Posted March 11, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 196 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,343 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1964 Author Share Posted March 11, 2008 Looking at the greek will also aid in our understanding of 2 Peter 3:12. What some versions have interpreted as hasten is misleading because to hasten something means something different now than when the KJV for example was initially translated. the greek word "spuedo" actually has more of a nuance of "earnestly desiring" That is why the CSB translated it as: as you wait for and earnestly desire the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be on fire and be dissolved, and the elements will melt with the heat. 2 Peter 3:12 HCSB That was also the spirit of what "to hasten" meant when the KJV translators chose that word. people hasten it in that they so desire it that they wish it would come quicker. So this passage does not teach that we can make Jesus return more quickly Thanks for the input Eric, stole my thunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_yaash Posted March 12, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 940 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/10/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted March 12, 2008 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 2 Peter 3:12NKJV It seems by reading this verse that the God's timing can be hastened or stalled. What do you interpret from this verse? I agree with the points made by many within this thread. If I may, I would like to offer/introduce this in support: I have looked over the 6 occurrences within the NT and considering these compared them unto how speudo was used within the LXX. It may perhaps offer us further understanding/insight as to it's usage/intent: In 2 Peter 3:12 it is speudontas. In Esther 8:14 we find the closest match in conjugation: speudontes. The Hebrew here is mevohalim [H926] binyan Pual; pres. masc. pl.. The Pual stem is a passive / resultive conjugation and in this case would equate unto 'to hasten'. It is however a hastening that is based upon being disturbed/alarmed/fear. In Ezekiel 30:9 we have an occurrence of speudontes as well. The LXX here reads along the lines of "'to hasten' disappearance/destruction". Based upon the usage of speudontes as we saw in Esther, this equates unto the Hebrew lehakharid [H2729]. Binyan Hiphil; Infinitive. The hiphil stem is 'causative'. In Ezekiel here, it would be along the lines of 'to startle'. Again though, we have a fear based type of hastening. The difference between speudontas and speudontes is that one is accusative, present tense [2 Peter] and one is nominative, aorist [Esther/Ezekiel]. Aside from that, they are both masculine plural active participles. We also find speudo within Genesis 18:6; 19:22; 24:18; 24:20 and Isaiah 16:5, carrying the implication of 'haste/hurry/hurried'. To sum up: Pseudontas as found in 2 Peter 3:12 denotes a 'hastening in fear/trembling'. I agree with EricH, with regard to 'earnestly desire' here. I would simply add that it also may carry a connotation of trepidation in looking forward unto the great and terrible day of the Lord. In His love, Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddavid from NC Posted March 12, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 196 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,343 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1964 Author Share Posted March 12, 2008 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 2 Peter 3:12NKJV It seems by reading this verse that the God's timing can be hastened or stalled. What do you interpret from this verse? I agree with the points made by many within this thread. If I may, I would like to offer/introduce this in support: I have looked over the 6 occurrences within the NT and considering these compared them unto how speudo was used within the LXX. It may perhaps offer us further understanding/insight as to it's usage/intent: In 2 Peter 3:12 it is speudontas. In Esther 8:14 we find the closest match in conjugation: speudontes. The Hebrew here is mevohalim [H926] binyan Pual; pres. masc. pl.. The Pual stem is a passive / resultive conjugation and in this case would equate unto 'to hasten'. It is however a hastening that is based upon being disturbed/alarmed/fear. In Ezekiel 30:9 we have an occurrence of speudontes as well. The LXX here reads along the lines of "'to hasten' disappearance/destruction". Based upon the usage of speudontes as we saw in Esther, this equates unto the Hebrew lehakharid [H2729]. Binyan Hiphil; Infinitive. The hiphil stem is 'causative'. In Ezekiel here, it would be along the lines of 'to startle'. Again though, we have a fear based type of hastening. The difference between speudontas and speudontes is that one is accusative, present tense [2 Peter] and one is nominative, aorist [Esther/Ezekiel]. Aside from that, they are both masculine plural active participles. We also find speudo within Genesis 18:6; 19:22; 24:18; 24:20 and Isaiah 16:5, carrying the implication of 'haste/hurry/hurried'. To sum up: Pseudontas as found in 2 Peter 3:12 denotes a 'hastening in fear/trembling'. I agree with EricH, with regard to 'earnestly desire' here. I would simply add that it also may carry a connotation of trepidation in looking forward unto the great and terrible day of the Lord. In His love, Richard Thank you for your scholarship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia1 Posted March 12, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I most definitely agree with EricH and the scholarly one Don't you wish He was here already or you were home sometimes? I know I do!!! And yet i bear the longsuffering as everyone else does for the sake of our brothers and sisters who are still lost and the more perfectting of the saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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