"the day of the lord"

[Celt]

I feel led to offer some things about what 'Humanoid' is saying. Firstly, it is very important when trying to understand Bible prophecy in Revelation that God's Word serves as the primary source for understanding the symbols. The idea of wormwood was written of many times in the Old Testament, and was linked with the idea of unrighteousness and spiritual bitterness, as in a fallen state away from God.

Secondly, God is most natural, even Supernatural, and His creation natural. If a symbolic representation given in Revelation doesn't fit the order of His creation, then it is being used as a spiritual type metaphor or symbol. For example, God used the idea of the four development stages of a real locust in the Book of Joel to describe an army, a 'nation' that is to come upon His people in the latter days to take a spoil and devour. That locust symbol is repeated in Revelation 9 with the locusts that ascend out of the pit. Those locusts have teeth like lions, hair like women, and the faces of men. They're not monster locusts, nor black helicopters, etc. , the locusts are symbolic for a working by certain men in the last days. The symbols represent how... they work upon the souls of the deceived.

It's the same type of teaching with the wormwood symbol in Rev.8. In Rev.17 our Lord Jesus explained that the waters represent multitudes, peoples, nations, and tongues. The star named wormwood falling into the third part of waters and making them bitter is symbolic of a false one that is to come and deceive a third part of men, causing them to drink the bitter wormwood gall in the spiritual death sense (recall our Lord Jesus was offered a cup of vinegar mingled with bitter gall on the way to Golgatha, and once tasted He refused to drink it - Matt.27:32-34. That served as a symbol for what the wormwood of Rev.8 is about). That death mentioned from the bitter wormwood is symbolic, and means spiritual death from deception, for in Rev.9 the locust army is told they cannot harm any green thing on earth, nor kill any man.

So what does the 2012 Mayan calendar dating have to do with that? Nothing. I spoke with a lady who did her Masters thesis on the Mayan calendar, and asked her what the Mayans believed about world ages of time. She stated they believed there had been many world ages before the one we're in now. I then asked what they believed for after... the 2012 date, and she said they believed it would not be the literal end of the world, but only the end of another age, the end of another cycle of world age time, and that there was to be many more world ages afterwards. Yet per God's Word, after Christ's Milennium reign, there's only one more world age thereafter, and that will be God's Eternity. Some today are trying to use the Mayan calendar to try and align it with Bible prophecy because of an agenda, an attempt to exalt pagan belief to the same status as God's Word.

humanoid,

Concerning Revelation:

Note that Rev.6:14-17 is about 7th trumpet events. The seven seals are about the opening up of information. They are not in order like the seven trumpets are. The very first seal is about one coming on a white horse to conquer. Whether one believes that's our Lord's coming, or the coming of Antichrist, neither of those events happen on the 1st trumpet or 1st vial. So the seals are not in chronological order.

But the three 'woes' beginning at Rev.8:13 through Rev.11:15 are in order with the events of the 5th, 6th, and 7th trumpets. Those are especially events we are to be watching for leading up to the "day of The LORD".

For sisters and brethren that are not watching,

humanoid is right on that point; our Lord Jesus and His Apostles told us to be watching lest our Lord's coming surprise us "as a thief in the night" (1 Thessalonians 5). The apostle Paul said he had no need to tell those Thessalonians about the "times and the seasons", for they knew them. He also said they were not in darkness that that day would overtake them as a thief. It's not about knowing the day and hour of Christ's coming, it's simply about watching the events our Lord gave us leading up to His coming. The special reason is, the events in the very last days will be the time of strongest deception, even the "strong delusion" Paul warned of in 2 Thessalonians 2.

Celt

[seekeratthesea]

the "day of the lord" and the end of the age is fast approaching...

ive been doing some research in various subjects and how these may relate to bible prophecy. when i began doing heavy research, i was quite skeptical of most of the material being exposed and additionally, felt overwhelmed and confused. however, as i progressed, the puzzle pieces that were fitting together were too astonishing too ignore. one of the things the holy spirit does is inform believers of what is going to happen in the future. i truly believe god has been directing my steps in this process and through his grace, help me see these things which will come to pass shortly.

there are many ancient calendars from civilizations that are extremely advanced astronomically, of course one of these being the infamous myan calendar. the myans were apparently obsessed with earthly and cosmic cycles and were able to predict or forecast events with amazing accuracy. contrary to what most people think, these civilizations did not forecast the end of the world, but rather the end of an age. this transition however would involve cataclysmic events during our passing through what scientists refer to today as the "dark rift" *edit links*

the bible, as well as other various ancient civilizations such as the myans, also makes it clear that there will be an end to this age:

(matthew 24:3) "As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, his disciples came to him privately and said, “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

of course, jesus goes on to say later that after these disasters and tribulation ends, he will return:

(matthew 24:29-31) “Immediately after the suffering of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man arriving on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

when describing these cosmic changes, jesus is repeating the prophesies predicted by various old testament prophets:

(joel 2:31) "The sunlight will be turned to darkness, and the moon to the color of blood, before the day of the Lord comes–that great and terrible day!"

(isiah 13:10) "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."

now let's look at the description of the sixth seal and see if it describes these same events:

(revelation 6:12-17) "Then I looked when the Lamb opened the sixth seal, and a huge earthquake took place; the sun became as black as sackcloth made of hair, and the full moon became blood red; and the stars in the sky fell to the earth like a fig tree dropping its unripe figs when shaken by a fierce wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place. Then the kings of the earth, the very important people, the generals, the rich, the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the one who is seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

it is therefore logical to conclude that the opening of the sixth seal marks the beginning of the "day of the lord" and the judgements that follow prior to the second coming. the description of the "great earthquake" and sky being "split apart" and rolled up "like a scroll" is most likely describing a geographical pole shift. these "rich" and "powerful" people described are probably people of the upper echelons of society such as the government. my research has concluded, as pepostrous as it may sound, that the united states government, among others, has been furiously constructing underground "bases". if indeed these events will happen, surely the government is informed and will want to take necessary precautions. these acts of taking refuge from the "shaking" of the pole shift that is coming has also been prophesied elsewhere:

(isaiah 2:20) "And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth. In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats; To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth."

other things the government is doing to prepare for these disasters is constructing FEMA camps across the country. supposedly these will be used for those who will need to flee from their residence, or for the mischievous who decide to loot and cause violence amidst the chaos. additionally, it seems america is training foreign troops who will help with the continuity of order. people would of course ask, "why wouldn't the government inform the public about these things?" most likely, they simply don't want to cause panic.

another controversial subject is that of what is commonly known as "planet-x", nibiru, or "the destroyer" by some ancient civilizations. if we are going to pass through this "dark rift", it will have enormous gravitational effects on surrounding heavenly bodies. and if indeed this "planet-x" exists, it would be pulled or "sucked" into close proximity to earth. the most prominent belief is that it is actually a 'brown dwarf star' and not a planet. brown dwarf stars are red in color. if this heavenly body were pass by earth, it's gas consisting of mercury would fill the sky. could this be what causes the "blood red moon"?

i realize this all sounds extremely "nutty", but i ask that you at least contemplate the possibility, or even better, research these things yourself. the evidence is all around us. i really believe god is trying to prepare his believers for what is coming. now is the time to reap the benefits of being receptive to the holy spirit's teachings.

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god bless,

humanoid

It's doesn't sound nutty but it sounds uncomfortably familiar........so if it IS nutty, I've been there too.

You need to stay REALLY keen to the fact that this there have always been way to find the end of times in our own life spans....I think it's a product of our own ego as much as anything else. Headlines can always be connected to prophecy, old calenders, numerology, can always point to the end of days.....I think the latest is 2012 and since you mentioned the mayans, I'm thinking that's what you have in mind.

I got into it in the 80's though, and Christ was supposed to have returned by now. I also found out it was going on before I got into it. You can get lost in it and the dangerous trapdoor is that all but a few are supposed to be deceived or ignorant of these things........when extrapolates into a notion that when people think you're all wrong it means you're right because it just proves that your one of the few who know.

Don't lose yourself. I was in the military when I started getting drawn into this stuff and if not for a transfer overseas, I'd have stayed with that crowd and could see myself getting lost in that world. The best thing that happened in those years was the transfer because I finally ended up reading the Bible without anyone telling me what to think as I read it.

And remember, there are verses from Christ himself that say even He doesn't know, so it may be that we're not supposed to know, and it's certainly true that we don't need to know. And not being worried about it doesn't mean that you're "refusing to see" or that you're hiding from the truth either. It just means that you realize prophecy is not as important as being saved.

Edited July 22, 2008 by seekeratthesea

[seekeratthesea]

the "day of the lord" and the end of the age is fast approaching...

ive been doing some research in various subjects and how these may relate to bible prophecy. when i began doing heavy research, i was quite skeptical of most of the material being exposed and additionally, felt overwhelmed and confused. however, as i progressed, the puzzle pieces that were fitting together were too astonishing too ignore. one of the things the holy spirit does is inform believers of what is going to happen in the future. i truly believe god has been directing my steps in this process and through his grace, help me see these things which will come to pass shortly.

there are many ancient calendars from civilizations that are extremely advanced astronomically, of course one of these being the infamous myan calendar. the myans were apparently obsessed with earthly and cosmic cycles and were able to predict or forecast events with amazing accuracy. contrary to what most people think, these civilizations did not forecast the end of the world, but rather the end of an age. this transition however would involve cataclysmic events during our passing through what scientists refer to today as the "dark rift" *edit links*

the bible, as well as other various ancient civilizations such as the myans, also makes it clear that there will be an end to this age:

(matthew 24:3) "As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, his disciples came to him privately and said,

[Celt]

Actually, humanoid brought up some matters that do have real substance, and are not just symptoms of a so-called "conspiracy nut". The majority of people get up in the morning, get their coffee or bowl of cereal, get the kids ready for school and themselves ready for work. They all come home after a day's work, and maybe socialize together as a family, or go out and socialize with others about the day. Regardless of what most people do day to day, most live in a bubble involving their surroundings. Most are not even remotely aware of the forces driving events in the world they live in. They can read the news or watch TV and get the 'picture' that the powers that be want them to have. Living in the 'bubble' is comfortable, so most will do what they feel necessary to keep the 'bubble' entact. The media, popular periodicals and talk shows and movies, they all serve as a prop to justify living in the 'bubble'. Most do not want to face what's really happenning in the world.

I recall two teenage kids years ago that got lost in the Smokey Mountains. The National Guard was called out to help search for them, and the dad of a work acquaintance of mine got called out to help. His dad was in Army Psy Ops. I'll never forget hearing the radio news when they found the two teenage boys. They said they had to first be 'debriefed'. For most folks that doesn't mean much. But for those who have ever held a security clearance and been on a classified project, you get 'debriefed' when the project is over. Even if what the project was about later becomes public knowledge, you're still not to divulge that you were ever involved with it. If you do, you're subject to imprisonment.

So what did those two teenage boys see while lost in the Smokey Mountains that required them to be 'debriefed', meaning, what did they see that was classified? And why would something classified be in the Smokey Mountains? We can only speculate, but the idea of internment camps is most logical. Sound crazy? Maybe some of you want to again try to associate such ideas with 'conspiracy nuts' just so you can get back to your comfortable 'bubble'?

Soviet defectors like Golitsyn ('New Lies For Old') revealed long ago that there's been a three phase long-range communist plan for takeover of the West without firing a shot. He begged our state department officials to reconsider their thinking about the dangers of communism propaganda, because the disinformation plan they use was working against the West. Oh, but now many 'bubble' livers have agreed with that disinformation plan so as to label someone warning today about the communist threat as being a 'conspiracy nut' or allied with some right-wing extremist group.

During the war in Vietnam, someone who was right-wing was for fighting the Communists in South Vietnam so south Vietnamese might choose their own government and democratic freedoms without Communist coercion. The popular U.S. actor John Wayne even did a special documentary about the Vietnam War that I'll bet most you have never even heard of. He, along with General Mark Clark, and a host of Vietnam veterans and certain U.S. Senators showed how leaders in Washington were hindering a U.S. victory in Vietnam. It was the left-wing that then was associated with Communism and Communist idealism, and the left-wing today still is associated with Communist-Socialist ideals. Jane Fonda was one of the American examples of deception into that Communist idealism. When visiting the Hanoi Hilton on a campaign to show that the North Vietnamese Communists were good guys, she visited the Hilton where U.S. prisoners of war were held. One our POW's secretly handed her some notes with the names of who were there. She politely handed those notes over to the Communist officers upon her departure. Can you imagine the retaliations to our U.S. POW's in Hanoi because of her ignorant rebellious action?

Russia and Red China still have Communist leaderships in majority over their people today. Red China has admitted more than once in the last seven years that it sees eventual war with the United States. They've even developed a medium range missle specifically designed to attack aircraft carriers, like U.S. Navy carriers patrolling off Taiwan which Red China claims belongs to them.

The Communists are not about to leave our Churches alone either. They have invited American and European Church leaders along with those of other religions to Moscow to hold religious summits, teaching those leaders to go back to their congregations in the West and teach pascifist doctrines and 'world peace' propaganda. They want our Churches to become good little 'socialist' churches that they can ultimately control. At present they do not want us to give up our religion, but eventually they will require it, because religion has no place under a Communist controlled one world government system.

And where do we think Islamic extremists get such weapons as rocket propelled grenades, anti-ship and anti-aircraft missles that fly below radar, rockets to terrorize Israel with, and anti-aircraft guns that can shoot down our own aircraft? Russia and Red China have been long time supporters of Islamic radicals who love to terrorize Israel and the Christian West. Radical Islam has the ultimate goal for ruling the whole world also, just like the Communists still do. God foretold that unholy alliance between the radical Islamic nations and Russia in Ezekiel 38-39. The truth of the matter is that the West did not defeat Communism. That's all a lie, and exactly what the Communist nations want us to believe. What has happened instead, is that Communism has been playing 'possum' while building their disinformation strategy and re-fitting their armies in preparation for the final phase when they plan to invade the West.

I recall a movie docu-drama about one of our U.S. DEA agents murdered in Guadalajaura, Mexico over a decade ago. Those guys have been down there fighting the Latin-American drug cartels. Those cartels are like armies now, and some of the Mexican anti-drug force the U.S. trained in Special Forces capacity are now working for those drug cartels, and have crossed our U.S. borders killing AMERICAN law enforement and citzens! Oh but living in the 'bubble' is so good... and so comfortable! If something like that had happened back in the early 1900's our U.S. Marines would have gone in and taken care of business. But instead our President called American citizen volunteers that went to help local law enforcement guard our U.S. border a bunch of "vigilantes"! One thing that docu-drama revealed was the Communist KGB operating within the government of Mexico at Mexico City.

Then there's the wierd coincidence of a few university history professors that went back and gave the McCarthy era another look, to see if McCarthy might have been onto something factual. What those professors found was that the majority on McCarthy's list were indeed either affiliated with Communists, or were in fact Soviet spies. Some of them were actually later convicted of spying for the Soviet Communists. That's what those history professors discovered as factual about McCarthyism. And then that same year, what comes out? The movie "Good Night, And Goodbye"; a Hollywood made up yarn to try and sway popular opinion back to the Communist 'view' of the McCarthy era, one where the Communists were innocent! The power of film interested Karl Marx greatly.

This one is most surprising. There was a litte four year old girl who did art work in the 'abstract' style whose painting became famous and sold for high dollar. Her father was an amateur oil painter, so he setup a canvas and some paints for her. Her work is amazing, especially for a four year old girl. In stepped the New York art critic world to try and destroy the girl's reputation, and the reputation of her family. The night-time talk show host Charlie Rose took a whole hour show to convict the little girl and her family as frauds. What that little four year old girl did was actual 'abstraction' art, since she was too young to start portraying recognizable objects. The little girl showed that anyone can create abstract art. There's a little known fact about the change that happened to previous American art up to the 1900's towards modernist and abstract styles. Paintings of realism that have been important in Western Christian society were directly attacked, and the self-established art critic world began supporting meaningless art, even art that portrayed a debassed and immoral society. An FBI agent in the 50's named Cleon Skousen listed 45 strategic points the Soviets had in their long-range strategy against the West in 1958. One of those strategic points was to destroy the 'heroic' in American art and statues. If you've ever seen Red Square before the Berlin Wall came down, Soviet heroic art and statues of Communist leaders like Lennin were very big and important. Even in Red China poster art of the Communist Mao exist all over. The 'heroic' element is strongly used in Communist countries to drum support for the leadership. How the people view their leaders is important. What that little girl did was openly show the fakeness of the established art critic world and their debuchary against American society. That's why we can likewise see it in American film and TV also.

Who would have dreamed that Communists would have such a strategy to attack the very moral fabric of the Christian West through media and art? What's more amazing, is that the FBI agent Skousen revealed that as one of the Communist's strategy points back in 1958! (See Skousen's work, "The Naked Communist". That's what his work does, exposes the Communist threat to the Christian West in areas where most 'bubble' dwellers don't have a clue.)

Another one of the strategy points Skousen listed was the Communist plan to get into high posts over mental health. Their idea in that is so to declare anyone who is a threat to Communism as nuts. Just a couple of years ago our president signed a plan to screen public school students for mental health problems, and to eventually screen all Americans for mental health issues!

If you've seen the old movie Red Dawn, that's what's happenning today, but the battleground is not a literal war on American soil like the movie portrays. The battleground is in the arena of Communist type laws being instituted over us and our children by the Communist International that sits in many United Nations functions, groups, and think tanks.

The idea of internment camps is a Communist idea. It's used to imprison those who might be dangerous to their ideals. For those they think can't be re-educated, they're executed. That's what the Communists did in Laos, Cambodia, and South Vietnam when they took power. It's what the Communists did in both Russia and Red China when they took over. You can read about those internment camps in Russian Siberia by a Russian writer who escaped to the West long ago, named Soltzenhitzen. In several ways, Katrina was an experiment opportunity in America using some of that kind of camp structure. One of the things FEMA did was illegally sieze the people's weapons in the area. Still today most of those weapons have not been returned to those U.S. citizens.

Another matter I recall that Bill Clinton did his first year as President. He reimbursed the families of pregnant women back in the late 1940's that were purposfully exposed to radiation as a secret government experiment. The women were not told and did not know, and died from it. And by Clinton reimbursing those families shows it as fact, even though a fact many 'bubble' dwellers find difficult to come to terms with. That reveals a very inhumane element existing within high positions of our own government. They might say it was necessary so more lives could saved in the long run in case of nuclear attack. Regardless, it shows their self-importance they've assigned to themselves compared to the rest of us.

Doing what's right and wanting the good also means recognizing the bad so as to do something about it. If we don't pop the 'bubble' over us that we've created by the enemy's lies, the time will come when our enemies will do it for us when we least expect it.

Our Lord Jesus warned us of these kind of times coming. He called it the "great tribulation". What we're seeing today is just a tip of the iceberg. The real time of tribulation is yet to come. And it won't be about all-out nuclear war. It'll be more of the same debassing of American society until the majority will cry for "Peace and safety" so hard, most will be willing and agree to 'their' one-world government system over all nations. Today the great contrast for that is being set. They want us to think the end will be with all-out war and chaos. That's not what our Lord Jesus and His Apostles taught at all! Instead, that's propaganda from the pulpits of those who have been taken over. Paul said in 1 Thess.5 that when 'they' shall say, "Peace and safety", then sudden destruction will come upon them. He was speaking of those in darkness, and not God's people who are children of the light. So just prior to the end with Christ's return, there is to be a short time of 'Peace and safety'. That's when the "great tribulation" will begin, but not upon the deceived, but only for those who remain in Christ Jesus to give a Testimony for Him. God is going to give a Testimony through His elect servants against that one world system in the end. Even the gainsayer will not be able to resist what The Holy Spirit will speak through Christians in that hour. Those Christians are not going to be very popular with the Communists that will have power.

In Matthew 24 our Lord told His Apostles that when they hear of wars and rumors of wars don't be alarmed, for the end is not yet. What's the opposite of wars and rumors of wars? It's a time of peace, although a fake peace, it will be a short time of world peace with a one world system setup over all nations with one sole leader over ten kings. Christ's enemies plan to setup 'their' world king in the near future over all nations. That's what these times today are preparing for. It's a time of sorrows. And Christ's enemies would like nothing more than for us to act confused like a chicken running around with its head cut off. That way they know their lies have worked their purpose over us.

[mizzdy]

So what did those two teenage boys see while lost in the Smokey Mountains that required them to be 'debriefed', meaning, what did they see that was classified?

I have been labeled as a conspriacy nut more than a few times. I don't know what those boy saw but I wouldn't be surprised if they ran onto some kind of 'secret' base or perhaps one of those concentration camps. Denver Airport is a hot bed of controversy with the weird murals, underground vents, baggage tunnels that lead nowhere and some employees that have come forward with tales to tale. Not to mention how much over budget it was and why all the way out where it is? When my daughter was going to Denver I asked her to take pics for me of the murals and as she approached some of the 'masonic' stuff with her camera she was asked to put it away, now that was strange.

The mayan calendar doesn't end time but starts a new age and those new agers certainly latched onto that one. I have read many times that on Dec. 12 of 2012 there will be an alignment with the middle of the Milkyway and the sun leading many to believe there may be a pole shift or at the very least some very bad solar activity. I first heard about planet X from books by Zecharia Stitchen. Could there be a planet out there hmm anything is possible. I for one do believe in conspriacy theories and in all reality they are not started by men but by satan and his horde who use the men for their own work after all satan has had plenty of time to work out his strategy.

I have studied conspriacy stuff for years and in doing so I was being brought back to the bible time and time again something which I would have thought impossible since these things go against God and His word. Yet I believe God used these studies of mine to bring me home to Him and I praise Him for that daily. I do admit there are some way out spracies out there even I won't read about but it is good to find out what is going on in our world and to be prepared.

[seekeratthesea]

Actually, humanoid brought up some matters that do have real substance, and are not just symptoms of a so-called "conspiracy nut". The majority of people get up in the morning, get their coffee or bowl of cereal, get the kids ready for school and themselves ready for work. They all come home after a day's work, and maybe socialize together as a family, or go out and socialize with others about the day. Regardless of what most people do day to day, most live in a bubble involving their surroundings. Most are not even remotely aware of the forces driving events in the world they live in. They can read the news or watch TV and get the 'picture' that the powers that be want them to have. Living in the 'bubble' is comfortable, so most will do what they feel necessary to keep the 'bubble' entact. The media, popular periodicals and talk shows and movies, they all serve as a prop to justify living in the 'bubble'. Most do not want to face what's really happenning in the world.

I recall two teenage kids years ago that got lost in the Smokey Mountains. The National Guard was called out to help search for them, and the dad of a work acquaintance of mine got called out to help. His dad was in Army Psy Ops. I'll never forget hearing the radio news when they found the two teenage boys. They said they had to first be 'debriefed'. For most folks that doesn't mean much. But for those who have ever held a security clearance and been on a classified project, you get 'debriefed' when the project is over. Even if what the project was about later becomes public knowledge, you're still not to divulge that you were ever involved with it. If you do, you're subject to imprisonment.

So what did those two teenage boys see while lost in the Smokey Mountains that required them to be 'debriefed', meaning, what did they see that was classified? And why would something classified be in the Smokey Mountains? We can only speculate, but the idea of internment camps is most logical. Sound crazy? Maybe some of you want to again try to associate such ideas with 'conspiracy nuts' just so you can get back to your comfortable 'bubble'?

Soviet defectors like Golitsyn ('New Lies For Old') revealed long ago that there's been a three phase long-range communist plan for takeover of the West without firing a shot. He begged our state department officials to reconsider their thinking about the dangers of communism propaganda, because the disinformation plan they use was working against the West. Oh, but now many 'bubble' livers have agreed with that disinformation plan so as to label someone warning today about the communist threat as being a 'conspiracy nut' or allied with some right-wing extremist group.

During the war in Vietnam, someone who was right-wing was for fighting the Communists in South Vietnam so south Vietnamese might choose their own government and democratic freedoms without Communist coercion. The popular U.S. actor John Wayne even did a special documentary about the Vietnam War that I'll bet most you have never even heard of. He, along with General Mark Clark, and a host of Vietnam veterans and certain U.S. Senators showed how leaders in Washington were hindering a U.S. victory in Vietnam. It was the left-wing that then was associated with Communism and Communist idealism, and the left-wing today still is associated with Communist-Socialist ideals. Jane Fonda was one of the American examples of deception into that Communist idealism. When visiting the Hanoi Hilton on a campaign to show that the North Vietnamese Communists were good guys, she visited the Hilton where U.S. prisoners of war were held. One our POW's secretly handed her some notes with the names of who were there. She politely handed those notes over to the Communist officers upon her departure. Can you imagine the retaliations to our U.S. POW's in Hanoi because of her ignorant rebellious action?

Russia and Red China still have Communist leaderships in majority over their people today. Red China has admitted more than once in the last seven years that it sees eventual war with the United States. They've even developed a medium range missle specifically designed to attack aircraft carriers, like U.S. Navy carriers patrolling off Taiwan which Red China claims belongs to them.

The Communists are not about to leave our Churches alone either. They have invited American and European Church leaders along with those of other religions to Moscow to hold religious summits, teaching those leaders to go back to their congregations in the West and teach pascifist doctrines and 'world peace' propaganda. They want our Churches to become good little 'socialist' churches that they can ultimately control. At present they do not want us to give up our religion, but eventually they will require it, because religion has no place under a Communist controlled one world government system.

And where do we think Islamic extremists get such weapons as rocket propelled grenades, anti-ship and anti-aircraft missles that fly below radar, rockets to terrorize Israel with, and anti-aircraft guns that can shoot down our own aircraft? Russia and Red China have been long time supporters of Islamic radicals who love to terrorize Israel and the Christian West. Radical Islam has the ultimate goal for ruling the whole world also, just like the Communists still do. God foretold that unholy alliance between the radical Islamic nations and Russia in Ezekiel 38-39. The truth of the matter is that the West did not defeat Communism. That's all a lie, and exactly what the Communist nations want us to believe. What has happened instead, is that Communism has been playing 'possum' while building their disinformation strategy and re-fitting their armies in preparation for the final phase when they plan to invade the West.

I recall a movie docu-drama about one of our U.S. DEA agents murdered in Guadalajaura, Mexico over a decade ago. Those guys have been down there fighting the Latin-American drug cartels. Those cartels are like armies now, and some of the Mexican anti-drug force the U.S. trained in Special Forces capacity are now working for those drug cartels, and have crossed our U.S. borders killing AMERICAN law enforement and citzens! Oh but living in the 'bubble' is so good... and so comfortable! If something like that had happened back in the early 1900's our U.S. Marines would have gone in and taken care of business. But instead our President called American citizen volunteers that went to help local law enforcement guard our U.S. border a bunch of "vigilantes"! One thing that docu-drama revealed was the Communist KGB operating within the government of Mexico at Mexico City.

Then there's the wierd coincidence of a few university history professors that went back and gave the McCarthy era another look, to see if McCarthy might have been onto something factual. What those professors found was that the majority on McCarthy's list were indeed either affiliated with Communists, or were in fact Soviet spies. Some of them were actually later convicted of spying for the Soviet Communists. That's what those history professors discovered as factual about McCarthyism. And then that same year, what comes out? The movie "Good Night, And Goodbye"; a Hollywood made up yarn to try and sway popular opinion back to the Communist 'view' of the McCarthy era, one where the Communists were innocent! The power of film interested Karl Marx greatly.

This one is most surprising. There was a litte four year old girl who did art work in the 'abstract' style whose painting became famous and sold for high dollar. Her father was an amateur oil painter, so he setup a canvas and some paints for her. Her work is amazing, especially for a four year old girl. In stepped the New York art critic world to try and destroy the girl's reputation, and the reputation of her family. The night-time talk show host Charlie Rose took a whole hour show to convict the little girl and her family as frauds. What that little four year old girl did was actual 'abstraction' art, since she was too young to start portraying recognizable objects. The little girl showed that anyone can create abstract art. There's a little known fact about the change that happened to previous American art up to the 1900's towards modernist and abstract styles. Paintings of realism that have been important in Western Christian society were directly attacked, and the self-established art critic world began supporting meaningless art, even art that portrayed a debassed and immoral society. An FBI agent in the 50's named Cleon Skousen listed 45 strategic points the Soviets had in their long-range strategy against the West in 1958. One of those strategic points was to destroy the 'heroic' in American art and statues. If you've ever seen Red Square before the Berlin Wall came down, Soviet heroic art and statues of Communist leaders like Lennin were very big and important. Even in Red China poster art of the Communist Mao exist all over. The 'heroic' element is strongly used in Communist countries to drum support for the leadership. How the people view their leaders is important. What that little girl did was openly show the fakeness of the established art critic world and their debuchary against American society. That's why we can likewise see it in American film and TV also.

Who would have dreamed that Communists would have such a strategy to attack the very moral fabric of the Christian West through media and art? What's more amazing, is that the FBI agent Skousen revealed that as one of the Communist's strategy points back in 1958! (See Skousen's work, "The Naked Communist". That's what his work does, exposes the Communist threat to the Christian West in areas where most 'bubble' dwellers don't have a clue.)

Another one of the strategy points Skousen listed was the Communist plan to get into high posts over mental health. Their idea in that is so to declare anyone who is a threat to Communism as nuts. Just a couple of years ago our president signed a plan to screen public school students for mental health problems, and to eventually screen all Americans for mental health issues!

If you've seen the old movie Red Dawn, that's what's happenning today, but the battleground is not a literal war on American soil like the movie portrays. The battleground is in the arena of Communist type laws being instituted over us and our children by the Communist International that sits in many United Nations functions, groups, and think tanks.

The idea of internment camps is a Communist idea. It's used to imprison those who might be dangerous to their ideals. For those they think can't be re-educated, they're executed. That's what the Communists did in Laos, Cambodia, and South Vietnam when they took power. It's what the Communists did in both Russia and Red China when they took over. You can read about those internment camps in Russian Siberia by a Russian writer who escaped to the West long ago, named Soltzenhitzen. In several ways, Katrina was an experiment opportunity in America using some of that kind of camp structure. One of the things FEMA did was illegally sieze the people's weapons in the area. Still today most of those weapons have not been returned to those U.S. citizens.

Another matter I recall that Bill Clinton did his first year as President. He reimbursed the families of pregnant women back in the late 1940's that were purposfully exposed to radiation as a secret government experiment. The women were not told and did not know, and died from it. And by Clinton reimbursing those families shows it as fact, even though a fact many 'bubble' dwellers find difficult to come to terms with. That reveals a very inhumane element existing within high positions of our own government. They might say it was necessary so more lives could saved in the long run in case of nuclear attack. Regardless, it shows their self-importance they've assigned to themselves compared to the rest of us.

Doing what's right and wanting the good also means recognizing the bad so as to do something about it. If we don't pop the 'bubble' over us that we've created by the enemy's lies, the time will come when our enemies will do it for us when we least expect it.

Our Lord Jesus warned us of these kind of times coming. He called it the "great tribulation". What we're seeing today is just a tip of the iceberg. The real time of tribulation is yet to come. And it won't be about all-out nuclear war. It'll be more of the same debassing of American society until the majority will cry for "Peace and safety" so hard, most will be willing and agree to 'their' one-world government system over all nations. Today the great contrast for that is being set. They want us to think the end will be with all-out war and chaos. That's not what our Lord Jesus and His Apostles taught at all! Instead, that's propaganda from the pulpits of those who have been taken over. Paul said in 1 Thess.5 that when 'they' shall say, "Peace and safety", then sudden destruction will come upon them. He was speaking of those in darkness, and not God's people who are children of the light. So just prior to the end with Christ's return, there is to be a short time of 'Peace and safety'. That's when the "great tribulation" will begin, but not upon the deceived, but only for those who remain in Christ Jesus to give a Testimony for Him. God is going to give a Testimony through His elect servants against that one world system in the end. Even the gainsayer will not be able to resist what The Holy Spirit will speak through Christians in that hour. Those Christians are not going to be very popular with the Communists that will have power.

In Matthew 24 our Lord told His Apostles that when they hear of wars and rumors of wars don't be alarmed, for the end is not yet. What's the opposite of wars and rumors of wars? It's a time of peace, although a fake peace, it will be a short time of world peace with a one world system setup over all nations with one sole leader over ten kings. Christ's enemies plan to setup 'their' world king in the near future over all nations. That's what these times today are preparing for. It's a time of sorrows. And Christ's enemies would like nothing more than for us to act confused like a chicken running around with its head cut off. That way they know their lies have worked their purpose over us.

...yes, but it's all a waste of time if Frodo and Sam can't destroy the Ring..

The conspiracy folks ARE running around like chickens with their heads cut off.....read you own post for proof.

Seriously, you need to get out of that world. You're not enlightend but deluded, the majority isn't ignorant but cognizant, the world is not governed by conspiracy and does not work the way you think it does.

[MillennialSaint]

Hi Humanoid,

I don't think your research is "nutty" at all. The Bible tells us, "despise not prophesyings" (1 Thess. 5: 20). What you propose is actually a very good scientific explanation of the events that will attend Christ's coming. We all need to pay heed to the "signs of the times." We've already seen the famines and earthquakes in divers places. That tells me the prophetic clock is already ticking. Keep up the good work!

Peace and Health,

Brian

[Guest]

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The Snake

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Peter 5:8

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Is Jesus The KING

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:8

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John 15:3

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Brother

[Celt]

Not all that is theory. Jane Fonda did what she did, may God forgive her. And the internment camp idea is nothing new per history. Even during WWII the U.S. had internment camps in the United States for Japanese-Americans, i.e. American citizens that happened to be of Japanese descent. Nor was the reimbursement Bill Clinton provided for the families of those women the government experimented on a theory. Nor are the Soviet strategic points Cleon Skousen of the FBI wrote in his 1958 work The Naked Communist only a theory. Nor is what university history professors discovered of McCarthy's accuracy only a theory. Nor were the Siberian internment camps only a theory. Nor was that radio news report of the two lost teenage boys being 'debriefed' after they were found a theory.

Nor was the murders of around 10 million people by the Communist leader Pol Pot in Cambodia only a theory. Communism has a long history of murdering its own peoples. Nor were the events of the murdered DEA agent in Mexico a theory, nor that the KGB have agents working in Mexico City. Nor is it a theory about the Mexican special forces trained commandos that went over to the side of the Mexican drug cartels. On the Texas border a sherrif has already been gunned down by those thugs, on American soil. In California last year a group of trained Mexican forces came on U.S. soil to pick up one of their drug trafficers, and fired on California sherrif's department officers. The plan for mental health screening of American citzens is not theory either.

Some of what I offerred about the attack on the family of the little four year old girl that painted was theory, but still based on sound logic in comparison to one of the Communist strategic points the 1950's FBI agent Skousen mentioned in his book.

The Soviet 3 phase plan against the West which the 1960's ex-KGB Soviet defector Golitsyn warned American officials about, and put in his book 'New Lies For Old' wasn't theory either. He also mentioned the religious summits that have been held in Moscow over the last decade. I recall an API news report in the 1990's about the last one held there. That's not theory.

One of the things military service does is force you to grow up and face reality. I've been to many countries during my military service, and the USA is still the best country in the world in my book. The Christian European nations run a close second. But get outside that, and it's a totally different world. During the Korean War a temporary truce was held at one point for 300 hundred days, allowing anyone north of the 17th parallel to escape the Communist regime if they wanted. The Communist north failed to keep their part in the agreement to offer the people a choice. But hundreds of thousands of north Koreans still fled their homes and headed to South Korea to escape Communism. If Communism was so great, why would so many want to leave it?

You bet there's a conspiracy, and it's about Communism's attempt to overthrow the United States and its allies in the West and abroad, even today. Red China right now has Tawain in its sights. The U.S. has a treaty with Tawain to help her if she is attacked. Never before this decade has our Navy had to keep such tight patrols around Tawain because of Red China's threatings. If Red China and the U.S. went to war with each other, which side do you think Russia would be on? They'd side with Red China of course, because Russian Communists is who led the overthrow of our Nationalist Chinese friends that had to flee to Tawain in the late 1940's. Communists are still in control of Russia's government today. President Putin himself was KGB (CNN probably forgot to reveal that).

Actually, there was not much 'theory' in my previous post. But a 'bubble' dweller would naturally treat it as such, because those facts get in the way of their bubble comfort zone. They aren't geared to handle it, because they probably haven't even been outside their own country to know what the rest of the world is really like.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Closed.

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