MillennialSaint

I haven't watched network TV in years. It's sorta hard if you don't have cable hookup. MillennialSaint

This is some pretty deep stuff. But it does seem you are correct, and that the number 8 begins a new cycle. As a Pre-Millennialist, I see the 1000 years of Rev. 20 as the 7th day and the general resurrection as ushering the 8th day, in which all things are made new. Peace & Health, Brian

Hi Humanoid, I don't think your research is "nutty" at all. The Bible tells us, "despise not prophesyings" (1 Thess. 5: 20). What you propose is actually a very good scientific explanation of the events that will attend Christ's coming. We all need to pay heed to the "signs of the times." We've already seen the famines and earthquakes in divers places. That tells me the prophetic clock is already ticking. Keep up the good work! Peace and Health, Brian

Why? I never intended for this thread to turn into a debate, but to answer your question, my small brain understands the pre-trib view and IMHO is consistent with God's character as revealed to us in the Bible. Well, I'm a post-trib man myself. I see the "catching up in the clouds" as the fulfillment of Matt. 24: 31. But I don't have any problem with those who hold a pre-trib view. If you're pre-mil, you my bro. Peace & Health, Brian

P.S.-- Also, let's not forget that Hebrews 9: 28 talks of Christ's "parousia" as "the second time." That means whenever He leaves the holy place He make His second appearance. This is when the Jews convert and Christ returns to the Mount of Olives to destroy the enemies. See Rev. 1: 7, Zech. 14. He comes in the clouds of heaven. Acts 1: 11. Same way he ascended. Those that remain are "caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thess. 4: 17). Compare with Matt. 24: 30-31. All of this is talking of His second advent. This is when the rapture occurs and the enemies of God are desytroyed. That is the phrase "this generation" does not mean "the people who are alive at this time." Christ was only addressing His discourse to Peter, James, John, and Andrew. All of them were Jews! And this was before they received the Great Commission to extend their message to the Gentiles. So, how do you think they understood Christ's message? Peace & Health, Brian

Sure, "generation" is used in different senses throughout Scripture. in the synoptic Gospels it means the Jews. Whenever Christ used the term "this generation" it always has a Jewish reference. Christ is addressing the Jewish nation. Also, I provided those SCriptures for you to reference them. Please read the SCriptures again, and you'll figure out what I mean by Genetic ordinances. Here's a hint: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." In Matt. 24, v. 34 & 35 go together! Also, my view was not invented by me. It's been held by many fine & able scholars of Scripture. I think Joseph Mede held this view, also E.W. Bullinger and J.C. Ryle. So, whether you agree or disagree, I'm in pretty good company! I find this view much more acceptible than the view that CHrist's "parousia" (Matt. 24: 3) ("coming in the clouds of heaven") was fulfilled 2,000 years ago. I haven't seen Him yet. Have you??? Brian

Hey Fighter, That's a great point you made. A little while back, some one teased me about "Pan-Millennialism" among Christians. Meaning 'it'll all pan out in the end.' The reason why I'm a strong pre-millennialist is because the successors of the original apostles were all pre-millennial. Plus, the easiest way to understand the Scriptures is pre-mil. Hey, how do you suppose Galilean fisherman and simple tentmakers understood the word of God? Most of the confusion in eschatology comes from allegorizing the SCriptures! If all just became little children and believed what the Bible said, we wouldn't have that problem. Peace and Health, Brian

Well, I think I could prove it from the three synoptic Gospels. "This generation" when used by Christ, always refers to the Jewish nation. The Greek word 'genea' is only used a few times in the Acts and epistles, but when it is used it also carries a Jewish reference. See Acts 2: 40, Philippians 2: 15 (where Paul's audience would have understood "crooked nation" as "The Judaizers.") Also compare Matth. 24: 34-35 with Jeremiah 31: 35-36, 33: 25-26. The nation Israel is co-extensive with the Genetic ordinances. Uncle, that's just gotta be proof enough! Peace and Health, Brian

Okay so let's say that he is squeezing Preterism between the cracks.. So what? It's his thread correct? He is the OP right? So if the man created a thread and wants to discuss Preterism, the man has every right too. What does your first responce have to do with anything that he wrote about? He's talking about the five comings of Jesus, but you respond by stating what you believe (your theory, your position) correct? I provided another theory to add, and you did not know what that view was. I'm not trying to take anything serious on here, but I'm asking you to defend your first responce to him. Again, SO WHAT if he is using Preterism.. Hatcha! cha! cha! Actually, the feller has every right to be a preterism. I was merely disagreeing. But I didn't mean to get in a schoolyard tussle. My mammy always told me to be nice! But serious. I think Matt. 24 is talking about Christ's future second advent. Not something that happened 2,000 years ago. "This generation" means "The Jews." Or so I believe! Peace & Health, Brian

That's a really great article. I like how the writer draws a paralell between the destruction of Jersusalem and the end of the world. Peace & Health, Brian

The only one I ever used was the KJV. There's a saying I once heard a country preacher use. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" I guess those who plead for better translations have to claim that the KJV is "broke." But I think it's a pretty good rendering of the Greek and Hebrew text. Peace & Health, Brian

My friend, you may be taking my remarks too seriously! I didn't "rebut" anything. I simply made a casual observation that the Aussie professor may have been trying to slip Preterism between the cracks of orthodox Christianity. Then I gave my views on the nature of fulfillment. Not sure whether this was taken as an argument. I assure you, my intentions are purely Platonic. Peace & Health, Brian

Interesting. I wonder though, why Christ spoke about the fig tree blossoming before He said this generation would not pass. What is the fig tree? Cleary it's Israel correct, which is the apple of God's eye? Zec 2:8. So what is interesting in your rebuttal is that if Israel blossoms as mentioned by Christ in Luke 21. Then my questions is how could Israel blossom in 70 AD? When in fact she was destroyed? Let me take this a little step further, when in the last 2000 years did Israel blossom? Was that not until May 14th 1948? Which is also Bible prophecy being fulfilled concering the valley of dry bones coming back to life? Eze 37.. the Bible also speaks about the rebuilding of a third temple correct? What will the Jews be doing in this third temple? Animal sacrifices correct? Dan 9:27; Dan 11:31; Dan 12:11. So it appears that when Christ returns the Jews would be making daily sacrifices. Which is also a reason why their is a Great Tribulation against Israel for not accepting her Messiah in the first place.. At least this is how I understand prophecy. I don't care about the pre-trib, mid- trib or post-trib per se. The fact is you could die today and you need to be ready today. But in general Christ is coming back to fulfill all prophecy. Hey, Unfortunately, I don't know much about that view. I interpret the "fig tree budding" as meaning "all these signs taking place." Christ was talking about the tribulations that would fall upon the Jewish people. There is supposedly a gathering back to the city by Antichrist, who will rebuild their temple. Then after he's gained power, he'll sit in the temple boasting himself that he is God. When the Jewish nation repents during the tribulation, Christ will return from heaven, & destroy the enemies. Then the Millennium! Peace and Health, Brian P.S.-- I think Ezekiel 37 means "The first resurrection." That is the "hope of Israel" that Paul is talking about.

It gets old when people use such terms as blankets to cover everything they disagree with. Call something a heresy or label a group of people a cult and you can just reject everything they have to share as obvious error . . . because they[/t] believe it. It is like somebody mentioning the Sabbath and suddenly everyone want to talk about the SDA

P.S.-- Also, the "abomination of desolation" means "Antichrist," not the Roman armies. None of the early church fathers believed the Jewish War had any eschatological significance. Brian