Guest LadyC Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 no, the state has not broken any contract or law, because the state did not issue the marriage licenses. if you'll scroll up you'll see the post i made... the state of utah doesn't sanction these marriages. they are not LEGAL marriages, therefore the state is not able to prosecute on grounds of polygamy, which is a felony under their laws. I'm not referring to the marriage licenses, LadyC. I'm referring to the agreement that the Territory of Utah, the Church of Latter Day Saints and the Federal Government made in order for Utah to become a State, and that was that polygamy was outlawed as a practice. That was a legal and binding agreement, if you look it up in the history books. Because polygamy is still allowed to be practiced and the LDS church hasn't done anything about it (yes I know it's an extreme cult that's doing it, however the LDS church did have sway over the FLDS for a while), and even mainstream Mormons practice it (there's a few out there still doing it), it is a violation of both Federal law and the agreement made 2 centuries ago making Utah a State. a. i guess what i'm trying to say though, is that if the marriages aren't LEGAL in the state of utah (which they aren't), then how can polygamists be prosecuted? their multiple marriages are not recognized by the state. the fdls church calls it marriage, but the state doesn't. i don't know if they have any laws regarding adultery, or polyamory, but i don't think any state has laws against that... which means that the only thing that the state can go after them for, is for sexual assault of a minor... but how would they get them to talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 i've got dinner cooking, just noticed you posted a history summary... i'll have to go back and read that after i eat. maybe it will clarify something i'm missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anitarose Posted April 19, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 65 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,066 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/15/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/02/1961 Share Posted April 19, 2008 no, the state has not broken any contract or law, because the state did not issue the marriage licenses. if you'll scroll up you'll see the post i made... the state of utah doesn't sanction these marriages. they are not LEGAL marriages, therefore the state is not able to prosecute on grounds of polygamy, which is a felony under their laws. I'm not referring to the marriage licenses, LadyC. I'm referring to the agreement that the Territory of Utah, the Church of Latter Day Saints and the Federal Government made in order for Utah to become a State, and that was that polygamy was outlawed as a practice. That was a legal and binding agreement, if you look it up in the history books. Because polygamy is still allowed to be practiced and the LDS church hasn't done anything about it (yes I know it's an extreme cult that's doing it, however the LDS church did have sway over the FLDS for a while), and even mainstream Mormons practice it (there's a few out there still doing it), it is a violation of both Federal law and the agreement made 2 centuries ago making Utah a State. a. i guess what i'm trying to say though, is that if the marriages aren't LEGAL in the state of utah (which they aren't), then how can polygamists be prosecuted? their multiple marriages are not recognized by the state. the fdls church calls it marriage, but the state doesn't. i don't know if they have any laws regarding adultery, or polyamory, but i don't think any state has laws against that... which means that the only thing that the state can go after them for, is for sexual assault of a minor... but how would they get them to talk? No, the marriages aren't legal anywhere, which makes the prosecutorial basis that of sexual abuse to minors. The fact that the "wives", most of 'em, are under the age of 18, makes it statutory rape. a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing Posted April 19, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 400 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,903 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/19/1942 Author Share Posted April 19, 2008 no, the state has not broken any contract or law, because the state did not issue the marriage licenses. if you'll scroll up you'll see the post i made... the state of utah doesn't sanction these marriages. they are not LEGAL marriages, therefore the state is not able to prosecute on grounds of polygamy, which is a felony under their laws. I'm not referring to the marriage licenses, LadyC. I'm referring to the agreement that the Territory of Utah, the Church of Latter Day Saints and the Federal Government made in order for Utah to become a State, and that was that polygamy was outlawed as a practice. That was a legal and binding agreement, if you look it up in the history books. Because polygamy is still allowed to be practiced and the LDS church hasn't done anything about it (yes I know it's an extreme cult that's doing it, however the LDS church did have sway over the FLDS for a while), and even mainstream Mormons practice it (there's a few out there still doing it), it is a violation of both Federal law and the agreement made 2 centuries ago making Utah a State. a. i guess what i'm trying to say though, is that if the marriages aren't LEGAL in the state of utah (which they aren't), then how can polygamists be prosecuted? their multiple marriages are not recognized by the state. the fdls church calls it marriage, but the state doesn't. i don't know if they have any laws regarding adultery, or polyamory, but i don't think any state has laws against that... which means that the only thing that the state can go after them for, is for sexual assault of a minor... but how would they get them to talk? No, the marriages aren't legal anywhere, which makes the prosecutorial basis that of sexual abuse to minors. The fact that the "wives", most of 'em, are under the age of 18, makes it statutory rape. a. this is not quite correct. in ky. the age of consent is 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anitarose Posted April 19, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 65 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,066 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/15/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/02/1961 Share Posted April 19, 2008 no, the state has not broken any contract or law, because the state did not issue the marriage licenses. if you'll scroll up you'll see the post i made... the state of utah doesn't sanction these marriages. they are not LEGAL marriages, therefore the state is not able to prosecute on grounds of polygamy, which is a felony under their laws. I'm not referring to the marriage licenses, LadyC. I'm referring to the agreement that the Territory of Utah, the Church of Latter Day Saints and the Federal Government made in order for Utah to become a State, and that was that polygamy was outlawed as a practice. That was a legal and binding agreement, if you look it up in the history books. Because polygamy is still allowed to be practiced and the LDS church hasn't done anything about it (yes I know it's an extreme cult that's doing it, however the LDS church did have sway over the FLDS for a while), and even mainstream Mormons practice it (there's a few out there still doing it), it is a violation of both Federal law and the agreement made 2 centuries ago making Utah a State. a. i guess what i'm trying to say though, is that if the marriages aren't LEGAL in the state of utah (which they aren't), then how can polygamists be prosecuted? their multiple marriages are not recognized by the state. the fdls church calls it marriage, but the state doesn't. i don't know if they have any laws regarding adultery, or polyamory, but i don't think any state has laws against that... which means that the only thing that the state can go after them for, is for sexual assault of a minor... but how would they get them to talk? No, the marriages aren't legal anywhere, which makes the prosecutorial basis that of sexual abuse to minors. The fact that the "wives", most of 'em, are under the age of 18, makes it statutory rape. a. this is not quite correct. in ky. the age of consent is 16. Um, the states these all took place in (Utah, Arizona, Colorado, and Texas), age of consent is 18. Sorry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted April 19, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Do not believe ANYTHING the government and the controlled media tell you about this case. And in all our condemning, let us not forget that the Bible only forbids polygamy for Christian Bishops......... Remember that NEXT TIME the government might decide YOUR church has money and property they want! Andthey can trump up charges against you too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted April 19, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Leonard, Jesus HIMSELF said that God intended one man and one woman. And those little girls, don't need to be mothers at 14, 15 and 16 irregardless of how you feel about the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 leonard, this isn't a discussion about whether polygamy was allowed in the Bible and for whom. it doesn't matter that polygamy was permitted back in those days. the bible is very, very clear that we are to be submissive to the laws of the land so long as they don't require us to deny God. the law of the land prohibits polygamy, therefore, to practice it is contrary to what God instructs US to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted April 19, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Remember that NEXT TIME the government might decide YOUR church has money and property they want! Andthey can trump up charges against you too! This is true. Or they may decide your church is dangerous and has to be "dealt with". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing Posted April 19, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 400 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,903 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/19/1942 Author Share Posted April 19, 2008 new info. my son told me if this girl did make a false report, it worked: False abuse claim investigated in Texas polygamist raid CBS 42 Reporter: Keith Elkins Email: krelkins@keyetv.com Last Update: 3:06 am Print Story | Email Story Children Custody Ruling Polygamist Sect Custody Hearing Polygamist Sect Hearing Continues FAQ about Child Abuse and Neglect (12.7KB) The Colorado Springs Police Department has confirmed that they arrested Rosita Swinton for false reporting to authorities, a misdemeanor charge. (Colorado Springs Police Department, Colorado Springs Police Department) Related Links Judge rules children will stay in Texas custody Apr. 17: "Hearing over custody and child abuse to continue" More Texas Coverage Officials say the Texas Rangers are pursuing Rozita Swinton of Colorado as a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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