BurnForChrist Posted April 25, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 81 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/15/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/21/1990 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Basically their are three popular views regarding the LORDs supper today. 1.) Transubstantiation - The theory accepted by Catholicism, that in the Lord's Supper, the elements are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus. However, there is no perceptible or measurable change in the elements. The transformation occurs during the Mass at the elevation of the elements by the priest. (1) 2.) Consubstantiation - It means an inclusion of one substance in another where the body and blood of Christ co-exist in the elements of the Supper. It suggests that a third substance is formed. The body and blood of Christ are "in, with, and under" the elements. There is no permanent relationship with the elements. Instead, the association is limited to the sacramental action. The transformation is effected by the Word of God and not by a priest. (2) 3.) The last view (which is what I hold) is that the bread and wine are symbolically referred to as the blood and body of Christ. It is not a literal transformation or a substitution/co-existing elemental change within the bread and wine. But rather that it is instituted by Jesus as remembrance and honoring of what he has done on the behalf of the believer. My question for everyone is, first, what do you hold or do you hold to something different? And why do you hold to that view? Can it be validated by scripture? Burn --------------------------------------- (1) - http://www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_t.htm#Transubstantiation (2) - http://www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_c-d.htm#Consubstatiation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted April 25, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Symbolic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunterpoet Posted April 25, 2008 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,704 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1950 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I recently had to deal with this issue. My wife is a member at a Lutheran Church that I have attended with her and in the past participated in communion. However, the last time I attended with her, in the bulletin, it stated all christians were welcome to participate, but had to believe that the bead and wine were actually the flesh and blood of Christ. I will be totally honest here and tell you that thought actually made me cringe, so I did not participate. I believe that the Lord only asked us to use the bread and wine as symbols to remember His sacrifice. His body was broken as is the bread, and His blood was spilled, as is the wine. Communion does not save a soul, belief and G-ds Grace do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted April 26, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted April 26, 2008 I am number II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicki-aka-bebe Posted April 26, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 239 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/13/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 26, 2008 symbolic for me... that is how i believe it to be.... God bless bebe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His_Own Posted April 27, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 127 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 27, 2008 I have read that trans-substantiation (sp) was originally part of the doctrine in worshipping the sun god, and was "sanctified" by including it as a doctrine of communion. I've forgotten the entire story, but the priest would take a circular wafer (called a host) and when the sun rose and its light hit the wafer, the priest spoke a blessing, and the host actually became the body of the sun god. I had wondered how matzoh could be replaced by a round wafer called host, perhaps this is the reason behind it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacey c Posted April 27, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 37 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 913 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/29/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/02/1969 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Definately symbolic for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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