31000 Scientists Reject the Theory of Man-Made Global Warming

[kat8585]

Yes, the world will end when He wants it to. We all get it. But in the meantime, should we just trash the place because we know it's going to end? We don't have to worship it, but it is after something He crafted to support us. Shouldn't we treat it with respect? Don't you ever go into the mountains or woods and sit and marvel at how wonderful it all is, and respect it? Or do you go into the woods and throw candy wrappers and trash on the ground, because, hey, He'll end it when He wants anyway?

Has anyone said we should trash the planet? If anyone has, please enlighten me.

[nebula]

That's great. Even the little things count. But the numbers don't lie, Justin. Americans consume--and waste--more than people in any other country. That's not a point I'm afraid to bring up. More people need to hear it--and they need to do something about it. . . .

I don't doubt that you have good intentions, but by writing off this theory, you are doing more harm than good. You are fooling yourself.

This goes back to what is bugging me.

It seems like both sides are more interested in fighting each other than looking to do what is best.

We Conservative Christians see "earth worship" and socialist agenda in the Environmental movement, and so we fight against all environmentalism. I've learned to view things differently because I learned the principle of stewardship, and I believe we need to be good stewards of the land as much as we are to be good stewards of our homes. So, what I am saying here to you, Lorax, is that if you want to make in-roads among Christians, you need to search the Scriptures for principles on stewardship and use this as your argument-base.

I watched a program where a Christian woman went to the Christians who live on an island in the Chesapeake Bay (their primary industry is crabbing) and taught them Biblical stewardship. Her message stirred the watermen's hearts enough to make a pact to practice Biblical stewardship of their island and the Bay. You can read about it here. (More links can be found here.)

As for your side, Lorax, how can we not roll our eyes when the big environmental pushers are such environmental abusers? Does Al Gore have an "Earth-friendly" home? Likewise, do environmental pushers show any acknowledgment to the economic impact of rapid radical change? Do they care that the expenses some companies would need to implement could cost more than they can afford to pay? What will happen to our supply and many jobs if environmental standards cause these producers to fold? (I'm not arguing against clean-up, but for a solution that is business-friendly in it's goal to be environmental-friendly; we just don't seem to hear much of that.)

Now, what I would like to know is why aren't builders being given the push to plan alternative energy sources in what they build? (If you wanted to buy a home with solar power or thermal energy, where would you find one? )

[mikeinsarasota]

Yes, the world will end when He wants it to. We all get it. But in the meantime, should we just trash the place because we know it's going to end? We don't have to worship it, but it is after something He crafted to support us. Shouldn't we treat it with respect? Don't you ever go into the mountains or woods and sit and marvel at how wonderful it all is, and respect it? Or do you go into the woods and throw candy wrappers and trash on the ground, because, hey, He'll end it when He wants anyway?

Has anyone said we should trash the planet? If anyone has, please enlighten me.

No one had advocated trashing the planet, but neither has anyone (myself, lorax excluded) advocated taking care of it. It seems the predominating rationale for this is that Jesus will take us home when He pleases and the earth will die, so who cares what we do to it in the meantime.

[Guest]

Treating the Lord's creation with respect doesn't constitute a religion. We are all His creation, should we start treating each other with the blatant disregard that we've been showing to the environment? Do you find it un-Christian to be a good steward of the land?

Good? Land? Oh! You Must Mean Returning The JEW To His God-Given Land.

Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul. Jeremiah 32:37-41

Stewardship

Look

Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. John 4:35

And Pray

Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest. Matthew 9:37-38

The Hour Grows Late

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:12-14

And Universal Death Looms Large

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matthew 24:21-22

So Believe God's Holy Word And Trust In Jesus Christ

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

Because He Is Returning And He Will Heal His Lands And Peoples Forever And Ever

The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart. Zechariah 12

Amen!

Dear Mike

Just Whom Will You Trust?

Do You Trust The Word Of The Living God?

Or The Lies Of Men Who Mock The LORD And His Holy Bible?

With Cries Of The Sky Is Falling So I Will Rob God And Beat My Fellow Man Because God Does Not See. But.......

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. Jude 1:14-16

Mike Do You Think This Is The Literal Truth?

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:17-18

If Not

Cry Out Mercy

Cry Out Jesus Save Me!

And Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. Psalms 1:1-3

[kat8585]

Yes, the world will end when He wants it to. We all get it. But in the meantime, should we just trash the place because we know it's going to end? We don't have to worship it, but it is after something He crafted to support us. Shouldn't we treat it with respect? Don't you ever go into the mountains or woods and sit and marvel at how wonderful it all is, and respect it? Or do you go into the woods and throw candy wrappers and trash on the ground, because, hey, He'll end it when He wants anyway?

Has anyone said we should trash the planet? If anyone has, please enlighten me.

No one had advocated trashing the planet, but neither has anyone (myself, lorax excluded) advocated taking care of it. It seems the predominating rationale for this is that Jesus will take us home when He pleases and the earth will die, so who cares what we do to it in the meantime.

I think for most of us, for me anyway, that it is a given to take care of our planet. As Christians, we know we need to be good stewards of everything.

We just don't look at it the way Algore and company, and liberals in general do -- that it has to be taxed.

Sorry, I forgot to put the "don't"

Edited May 22, 2008 by kat8585

[nebula]

Yes, the world will end when He wants it to. We all get it. But in the meantime, should we just trash the place because we know it's going to end? We don't have to worship it, but it is after something He crafted to support us. Shouldn't we treat it with respect? Don't you ever go into the mountains or woods and sit and marvel at how wonderful it all is, and respect it? Or do you go into the woods and throw candy wrappers and trash on the ground, because, hey, He'll end it when He wants anyway?

Right - that's what I am talking about with stewardship. Treat the eretz (land) with the same love and respect as you treat your house.

[nebula]

But what a strange question. That you dismiss scientific evidence as "propaganda" is telling. And if there is a punishment for ignoring said evidence, that punishment is going to come from the Earth itself, not from man. That punishment will come in the form of rising temperatures and tides, in desertification and drought. If your question was actually a serious one--was it?--then I think you should take a serious look at the issues at hand.

OK the other point I was trying to make is expressed in the article:

"... Simultaneously, proposed political actions to severely reduce hydrocarbon use now threaten the prosperity of Americans and the very existence of hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries," he said.

In just the past few weeks, there have been various allegations that both shark attacks and typhoons have been sparked by "global warming."

<snip>

"The proposed agreement would have very negative effects upon the technology of nations throughout the world, especially those that are currently attempting to lift from poverty and provide opportunities to the over 4 billion people in technologically underdeveloped countries," Seitz wrote.

Robinson said the project targets scientists because, "It is especially important for America to hear from its citizens who have the training necessary to evaluate the relevant data and offer sound advice."

He said the "global warming agreement," written in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997, and other plans "would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind."

"Yet," he said, "the United Nations and other vocal political interests say the U.S. must enact new laws that will sharply reduce domestic energy production and raise energy prices even higher.

"The inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness include the right of access to life-giving and life-enhancing technology. This is especially true of access to the most basic of all technologies: energy. These human rights have been extensively and wrongly abridged," he continued. "During the past two generations in the U.S., a system of high taxation, extensive regulation, and ubiquitous litigation has arisen that prevents the accumulation of sufficient capital and the exercise of sufficient freedom to build and preserve needed modern technology.

"These unfavorable political trends have severely damaged our energy production, where lack of industrial progress has left our country dependent upon foreign sources for 30 percent of the energy required to maintain our current level of prosperity," he said. "Moreover, the transfer of other U.S. industries abroad as a result of these same trends has left U.S. citizens with too few goods and services to trade for the energy that they do not produce. A huge and unsustainable trade deficit and rapidly rising energy prices have been the result.

"The necessary hydrocarbon and nuclear energy production technologies have been available to U.S. engineers for many decades. We can develop these resources without harm to people or the environment. There is absolutely no technical, resource, or environmental reason for the U.S. to be a net importer of energy. The U.S. should, in fact, be a net exporter of energy," he said.

He told WND he believes the issue has nothing to do with energy itself, but everything to do with power, control and money, which the United Nations is seeking. He accused the U.N. of violating human rights in its campaign to ban much energy research, exploration and development.

[Matthitjah]

Do you feel that those of us who are ignorant and refuse to believe the propaganda ought be punished? If so, what form of punishment should be meted out?

No.

But what a strange question. That you dismiss scientific evidence as "propaganda" is telling. And if there is a punishment for ignoring said evidence, that punishment is going to come from the Earth itself, not from man. That punishment will come in the form of rising temperatures and tides, in desertification and drought. If your question was actually a serious one--was it?--then I think you should take a serious look at the issues at hand.

By the way, the Green Gospel is a lie straight from hell. At it's center is the worship of the Creation and mankinds efforts (works) at restoration of a permanently marred Creation. It's a Religion.

Peace,

Dave

Classic. If you don't like it, write it off as a religion. We see this again and again.

Evolution?

A religion.

Obama?

A religion.

Global warming?

A religion.

It's a quick and easy way to demonize something without even addressing it.

Treating the Lord's creation with respect doesn't constitute a religion. We are all His creation, should we start treating each other with the blatant disregard that we've been showing to the environment? Do you find it un-Christian to be a good steward of the land?

Lorax,

Who's to say those of us who disagree with the premise haven't studied the situation thoroughly and having come to a sound conclussion, simply disagree. Yet we are labeled ignorant for our views. Which by the way are as sound as the theory that is being currently demagogued.

blatant disregard that we've been showing to the environment?

Have you been to every home in the Nation and examined them thus exposing the blatant disregard of which you speak?

I find it very telling that you feel that the earth will rise up and punish the people who inhabit it. I thought God was the Judge.

I've been delivered of my guilt and self loathing. I don't need to work it off in some form of Envirofascist penance. Primarily as Christians we are to be concerned with the eternal welfare of those who are Unsaved by reaching them with the Gospel. Not serving some Green Goddess who will rise up in punishment.

The Lord has spoken;

Ge

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

He told WND he believes the issue has nothing to do with energy itself, but everything to do with power, control and money, which the United Nations is seeking. He accused the U.N. of violating human rights in its campaign to ban much energy research, exploration and development.

Them's the facts Ma'am and the Truth of the matter is that more people will be killed by Envirofascism than ever will live long enough to see it's supposed benefits. All the best intentions in the world don't make for good public policy. The truth of the matter is that the environmental movement is the home to the current crop of Marxists thrust upon the world, not all of them mind you, just the leaders. Now it's creeping into Christianity and frightening to me. Thank God I know how it all ends and my Faith is in God.

Peace,

Dave

[Axxman]

As always I would like to give my usual response to the enviro-nazi's...

I don't care about global warming. I'd rather wake up to a purple and green sky than be led into a environmentally safe gas chamber.

And while all the "stewardship" talk seems to be a decent compromise...its not. Its just another way for someone to judge another persons lifestyle. So if I drive a big gas-guzzling SUV and refuse to recycle you can call me a bad steward...whatever! Its just environmentalism re-packaged into a nice religious looking box.