Sinlessness

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2) If someone came to me with a computer that has "fallen of the back of a truck" ie stolen and offered to sell it to me for lets say $100 dollars. Now if i think to myself "well i know this is stolen but its soo cheap and i really would like to have a new computer" and for a moment i actually think of paying the money for it. but then i grab myself and think to myself "No that has been stolen off someone and it is not right for me to buy it off this thief", that

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No, no, no....a fleeting thought can be tempting but it's not a sin. It's only a sin when we dwell on it...

That's when it becomes a sin...when we contemplate it and give it life...then soon enough it leads to a behavior or action on our parts which is sin fully birthed.

If we give sin a fleeting thought then it has life for a short time but it still has life. No matter who long or how short the time we dwell on it.

I don't think that Jesus ever thought of sinning even for a fleeting moment.

All praise The Ancient Of Days

[BobTriez]

I don't think that Jesus ever thought of sinning even for a fleeting moment.

I agree

In his service,

Bob

[Guest idied2]

For those of you who can live sinless befor the throne of CHRIST JESUS. Give the LORD Praise for what He has given you. And remember to continue to ask for forgiveness daily just incase there is sin that you don't realize. For those who struggle. When I being a believer ask JESUS CHRIST to forgive my sins. They are forgiven and forgotten. NOW I am sin free. When I ask him not to lead me into temptation but deliver me from evil. He does it because he said so and I believe HIM. The JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH. WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE HIM. ask HIM to forgive you as often as needed. up to seventy times seven a day. If you are involved in blatent sin REPENT. If you can't stop keep asking HIM to give you STRENGTH. Remember the parable of the store owner. He will get up finally and give you all that you ask for.

Never lose hope and keep asking. It's all writen in HIS book.

There is no hope anywhere else. keep asking

In CHRIST JESUS :hug:

[Shelby]

No, no, no....a fleeting thought can be tempting but it's not a sin. It's only a sin when we dwell on it...

That's when it becomes a sin...when we contemplate it and give it life...then soon enough it leads to a behavior or action on our parts which is sin fully birthed.

The fact that a fleeting thought goes into our head isn't a sin..

I remember when I, by NO fault of my own, was sent a pornographic (very gross) photograph on my email. I had NO CLUE it was porno till I opened it.

Now, I certainly didn't sin even though I saw the picture. I deleted it promptly and set my filter to "HIGH" so I wouldn't have that happen again.

I hardly think when we are tempted we are sinning. That's just silly! It's whether we nurture that thought and dwell on it.

My gosh...I was tempted to buy a used car once and have them write the sale price as lower so I'd save on taxes. The salesman suggested that...and for one moment, I thought about his offer.

Then I said, "Nope...that would be dishonest." So we did the right thing but I was still given the temptation to sin. I didn't sin, however and feel absolutely confident that I was in God's will because I rejected the temptation to do wrong.

Likewise, Jesus also felt hungry and was tempted to have a piece of bread. It wouldn't have been a temptation if he wasn't in the least bit hungry.

He was tested...and testing comes when a person is tempted. When they RESIST temptation, they have victory over sin. If they indulge the thought, they will eventually cave in and do the behavior.

I agree with you Cats! I am a person who has to consider all of the options. When I speak to children I am teaching or leading, and they are making a choice not to follow directions and they refuse to do what I have asked, we discuss the options, ALL OPTIONS, some are horendous, but they could happen if the child chooses. Before I make most, even miniscule, decisions I try to weigh all of my options. I will consider everything, keeping God in my thoughts as I do. That is my way of processing information. Some things I would never really consider doing, but it is not out of my ability to do them. I think there is a fine line, and if you are in line with God and in tune with His Spirit, then you will be guided accordingly. God knows each of our hearts and only HE knows what sins we have committed. He does not dwell on them, so why should we. This is not a controvercial subject to me, because luckily I don't have to worry about that fine line as long as I am right with God. He will lead me in the direction he wants and guide me to be on the right side of that fine line.

Thank you for listening to my humble opinion. I think it is good to remember even on message boards that people process information differently. Even though you might feel you have stated your point clearly, it still might not make sense, or could be misunderstood by another member, so that is why God will help us even when we respond to others posts. I pray we will still do that in love.

[dwinkjr]

We are a sinners and have all come short of hte glory of God... Even after accepting Christ as our Saviour we still are human and have that sinful nature... No matter how hard we try that sinful nature is still there... Although one day we will be sinless but that day will be when we stand in the presence of hte lord..

[Catsmeow]

dwink: I agree...although we are new creations in Christ Jesus, the process of transformation reminds me of a cocoon. Inside the cocoon is a humble catepillar who's being transformed into a beautiful butterfly.

Consider this: When the butterfly emerges, it's beauty is awesome. I often think of us as butterflies in the making. We're being transformed...from glory to glory into the likeness of our King.

[His son]

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In this case someone has tempted me. Even though i have not given into temptation and actually bought the stolen computer. i have sinned because in my heart for a moment i thought of giving in to temptation. So i have sinned in thought but not in deed.

Actually you did not sin, your were heavily tempted, but you dealt with the temptation by refusing to give in you are not guilty of sin. Christ in the garden desired His Father to take away the need for His trip to the cross, and He said however not my will but thine be done. That basically is what you did. To be tempted is not sin, it becomes sin when we yield to the timptation. God has allowed satan that access to us. And let no man decieve you, God has said you will be just like Christ was while He was hear on this earth. Believe these Scriptures.

Mark 10:39

39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:

(KJV)

John 14:12

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

(KJV)

John 17:18

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

(KJV)

John 20:21

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

(KJV)

2 Cor 4:11

11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

(KJV)

Eph 4:11-13

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

(KJV)

Yes all have sinned past tense. There are no Scriptures that tell us we can't live sin free, but they tell us the opposite.

The poll results remind me of this Scripture.

Matt 7:13

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

(KJV)

[jesusson]

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[His son]

Why should you be surprised, Paul has told us we are living epistles of God's word.

Matt 7:13-14

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

(KJV)

We have fulfilled this Scripture, and we are always fulfilling Scripture, and we have the freewill to choose those we will fulfill.