The Drug Free Families Act of 2008

[Axxman]

its immoral to kill people by poisoning the drug supply. i don't have any problem saying so.

How is poisoning drugs killing people? People only die if they chose to ingest the poison. How is it immoral to destroy a product? How is it somebody else's fault if somebody chooses to ingest poison? If I set rat poison in front of you and tell you it is poison...tell you it will kill you...beg you not to touch it...but you ingest it anyway...how is that ANYBODY ELSES FAULT BUT YOUR OWN?!?!?!

Its not.

[Guest man]

quit implying I'm an uneducated couch potato.

If you don't want people doing that,

Then stop making comments like this.

How is poisoning drugs killing people? People only die if they chose to ingest the poison. How is it immoral to destroy a product? How is it somebody else's fault if somebody chooses to ingest poison? If I set rat poison in front of you and tell you it is poison...tell you it will kill you...beg you not to touch it...but you ingest it anyway...how is that ANYBODY ELSES FAULT BUT YOUR OWN?!?!?!

Lets just take a look at what you said.

How is poisoning drugs killing people?

These are your words..."people will push their luck and people will use 'bad' drugs, and people will die. "

People only die if they chose to ingest the poison.

People wouldn't know they're ingesting poison. Your brillliant plan calls for poisoning just a tiny portion of the drugs that are out there.

Your plan is no different from what happens every Halloween. A few nut cases out there poison some candy and then some child eats it and dies. This happens every year. It's not like parents don't know stuff like that happens. Who's to blame? The child for eating the candy, the parent for letting the child eat the candy, or the person who poisoned the candy?

How is it immoral to destroy a product?

But you're not destroying the product. You're adding poison to it and putting it into circulation. You had the drugs off the streets to begin with, but you add poison to them and put them back out on the streets. Probably with a little profit in your pocket.

That makes you no different then a drug dealer. Actually it makes you worst then the drug dealer, because the drug dealer doesn't poison his drugs.

How is it somebody else's fault if somebody chooses to ingest poison?

People wouldn't know they're taking poison because not "all" drugs are poisoned, just a tiny portion of them will be.

Every person who walks into a casino knows there's a chance they could lose all their money, but they still go in.

If someone sees someone else taking drugs and not dying, what do you think the odds are that they will take them too?

That's simple logic.

If I set rat poison in front of you and tell you it is poison...tell you it will kill you...beg you not to touch it...but you ingest it anyway...how is that ANYBODY ELSES FAULT BUT YOUR OWN?!?!?!

But you're not telling them that it's poisoned. You're going on the assumption that they will think it's poisoned. Big difference.

Drunk driving kills, we all know that. Yet it hasn't stopped people from driving drunk.

Did you stop eating beef when that "mad cow disease" first came on the scene? Of course you didn't, because people reassured you that the beef you were consuming was safe. What do you think the drug dealers are going to say about their drugs?

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You never did explain this..."The fact is...drugs punched you in the mouth and you backed down".

Maybe you should turn off your TV and go for a walk. Those cop shows you're watching aren't real. They may be based on real life, but that's not what happens in real life. They throw some fiction in there just to make it interesting. You do know that.....right?

[Smalcald]

I don't want to poison the drug supply.

However the crux of this issue is on the demand side, not the supply. We must find ways both punitive, treatment wise, culturally and so forth to reduce the demand for drugs in the US. On the testing side yes, one way would be mandatory national testing of all employees of all companies who want to operate in the US. Okay so if you want to be a stoner don't plan on getting a job or keeping a job, believe me it would have a major impact particularly on the mass of recreational users out there. I think we should arrest people for small amounts of drugs, not send them to jail, but arrest them, put it on their criminal record, publish their names, send their names to their employer and so forth. Shaming is a great tool on a variety of fronts.

Sweden unlike much of the rest of Europe has made huge strides in getting rid of prostitution. What do they do? They criminalized GOING to a prostitute, they arrest all of the Johns, send them to some jail and publish their names, and the prostitute is given some help and not sent to jail. This approach has worked for them.

[Guest man]

I don't want to poison the drug supply.

However the crux of this issue is on the demand side, not the supply. We must find ways both punitive, treatment wise, culturally and so forth to reduce the demand for drugs in the US. On the testing side yes, one way would be mandatory national testing of all employees of all companies who want to operate in the US. Okay so if you want to be a stoner don't plan on getting a job or keeping a job, believe me it would have a major impact particularly on the mass of recreational users out there. I think we should arrest people for small amounts of drugs, not send them to jail, but arrest them, put it on their criminal record, publish their names, send their names to their employer and so forth. Shaming is a great tool on a variety of fronts.

Sweden unlike much of the rest of Europe has made huge strides in getting rid of prostitution. What do they do? They criminalized GOING to a prostitute, they arrest all of the Johns, send them to some jail and publish their names, and the prostitute is given some help and not sent to jail. This approach has worked for them.

Exactly.

If people knew there was a chance they were gonna get caught and exposed to the public, they would be less likely to indulge themselves.

Good post.

[MorningGlory]

In exalting yourself, and your morals, above others you are just wrong. Doesn't the Bible tell us that whomever is without sin should cast the first stone? Are you THAT moral and without sin that you can be so judgemental? It's my experience that the squeakiest hinge needs the most oil.

We are really going to get off topic here. Suffice to say that I disagree with you in this case. Maybe we can get back to this on a different thread.

Good idea. I hate to hijack someone's thread.......

[Axxman]

If people knew there was a chance they were gonna get caught and exposed to the public, they would be less likely to indulge themselves.

Good post.

LOL...being embarrassed will work...but I'm the uneducated couch potato. Working in law enforcement has allowed me to get on a first name basis with some of the local drug dealers in my community because they get arrested so much. They could care less about being arrested. I saw a girl last night arrested for possessing crack cocaine...and she was more upset about having a warrant for a suspended license. Maybe its you who needs to get off the couch because your perspectives are warped from reality. I see the effects of drugs EVERYDAY and I don't see it from the safety of a couch...I've been assaulted TWICE in the last month as a DIRECT RESULT of putting my butt on the line to fight this war! Your insults and innuendo are exactly why people are dying everyday from drugs...because whenever a tough but effective solution comes along you cower in the corner and worry more about the person who is throwing their life away than saving people who haven't done that yet.

Like I said in my very first post...America today doesn't have what it takes to win this war.

[Guest man]

LOL...being embarrassed will work...but I'm the uneducated couch potato. Working in law enforcement has allowed me to get on a first name basis with some of the local drug dealers in my community because they get arrested so much. They could care less about being arrested. I saw a girl last night arrested for possessing crack cocaine...and she was more upset about having a warrant for a suspended license. Maybe its you who needs to get off the couch because your perspectives are warped from reality. I see the effects of drugs EVERYDAY and I don't see it from the safety of a couch...I've been assaulted TWICE in the last month as a DIRECT RESULT of putting my butt on the line to fight this war! Your insults and innuendo are exactly why people are dying everyday from drugs...because whenever a tough but effective solution comes along you cower in the corner and worry more about the person who is throwing their life away than saving people who haven't done that yet.

Like I said in my very first post...America today doesn't have what it takes to win this war.

So taking the drugs you're getting off the streets and reselling them is the solution?

Who knew the war on drugs could be won so effortlessly?