jeffnevins Posted October 8, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 806 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 141 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/09/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/21/1973 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Titus 1- 12Even one of their own prophets has said, "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons." 13This testimony is true. It would be tough to say this about a whole nation today. I guess the population was somewhat small there- Did someone meet every person in the nation & confirm it? Or it's an expression... 2 Tim 2- 4No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross Posted October 8, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,773 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/27/1957 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Titus 1- 12Even one of their own prophets has said, "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons." 13This testimony is true. It would be tough to say this about a whole nation today. I guess the population was somewhat small there- Did someone meet every person in the nation & confirm it? Or it's an expression... 2 Tim 2- 4No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymba22 Posted October 8, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/14/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/06/1967 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I have some problems with whatever version your reading.... this is what I get for those same passages Tts 1:12 One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. Tts 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; now reading that....its talking about cretians not whole nations...look where the comma is. Now 2 tim 2-5 2Ti 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. 2Ti 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 2Ti 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, [yet] is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. as you can see it reads completly differant...athleates are not even mentioned. off hand if I remember correctly this has bearing on being obediant to whomever is in charge of you and work with integrity and honour. 2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Ressurection for judgement at grreat white throne. 2Ti 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. the whole verse should answer your question on this 2Ti 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve [me] unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen. the above is what my version uses for that verse...as you can see...it makes way mroe sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted October 8, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2008 Titus 1- 12Even one of their own prophets has said, "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons." 13This testimony is true. It would be tough to say this about a whole nation today. I guess the population was somewhat small there- Did someone meet every person in the nation & confirm it? Or it's an expression... The context of Titus 1:12 is the appointment of elders with certain qualifications. One of the key roles of the eders in the Cretan church would be: holding to the faithful message as taught, so that he will be able both to encourage with sound teaching and to refute those who contradict it. Titus 1:9 HCSB The reason Paul is looking for this ability in the Cretan elders is that one of the pervasive characterisitics of the Cretan culture at that time was: For there are also many rebellious people, idle talkers and deceivers, especially those from Judaism. It is necessary to silence them; they overthrow whole households by teaching for dishonest gain what they should not. Titus 1:10-11 HCSB To support his observation about the Cretan culture, Paul quotes one of their own prophets (cultural commentators): One of their very own prophets said, Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons. Titus 1:12 HCSB Basically Paul is saying, "Don't take my word for it, look at what the Cretans say about themselves." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted October 8, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2008 4No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted October 8, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 8, 2008 2 Tim 4 18The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. Wasn't he martyred (beheaded)? Sounds like an evil attack. I believe he's in God's kingdom, though. Thanks for any insights- Paul believed God would bring him through the sufferings to the other side (eternity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffnevins Posted October 9, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 207 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 806 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 141 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/09/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/21/1973 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Amazing help on those. Thanks very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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