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The gathering of the elect mentioned in the Olivet discourse is the 2nd resurrection: Who is the elect? I think it's safe to say the elect is Christ, the Church, and the remnant grafted into the olive branch of Christ, the remnant saved. The next issue is proving that the gathering of the "elect" is the 2nd resurrection. Here's the proof: For one, the clause of This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. is what proves the gathering is the 2nd resurrection. These other verses echo the same thing, no death until the Son of Man comes on the cloud: This is what proves the gathering is at the 2nd resurrection, because it is only at the 2nd resurrection when all the dead are raised and judged, the only place anyone tastes death, the real death since creation. The Beast and the False Prophet tasted death a 1,000 yrs before everyone else, but this is where man tastes the real death for the first time, just before the entering into the new heavenly Shalem which is Christ entering into His kingdom, The darkening of the sun and moon and the stars falling from heaven is again the 2nd resurrection: Again this proves this is the 2nd resurrection because this is the "day of the Lord's wrath," "the day of the Lord," the day God avenges the blood of those under the altar who were slain for the word of God, which was the 1st resurrection. Again this is the 2nd death, the real death, the death Christ referenced when he spoke of the generation not tasting death or passing away until all those things were fulfilled, which is the fallen of the stars, etc.. The day of the coming of the Lord, what some call the 2nd coming, is the 2nd resurrection. when the "elect" are gathered. This is Christ coming into his kingdom. What was prophesied of those standing there in the new testament that wouldn't taste death until they saw. For those of you who think that this was suppose to be the end of the world and the book, it's not. The "devil" that was cast into the lake of fire after the 1,000 yrs reign was not the "Devil," though he deceived the earth when he was released, but was Gog, the Prince of Grecia and one of the 4 fallen, released Euphrates angels, as was the False Prophet. The "Devil" used him and gave him his power to attack heaven like he did with the Beast and False Prophet. The story of Lazarus and the Rich Man also proves that this is not the end of the world. Lazarus being in the lake of fire looks up and see's Lazarus in God's bosom and beckons God to send someone back to the earth to warn his brothers so that they too wouldn't end up where he's at. The 3rd and final resurrection is the "wheat and tare" harvest/rapture of this physical earth into the new Shalem or the the lake of fire. There is no "throne" judgement in this final resurrection. Food for thought!

Satan's ministers aren't aware of being used by Satan?

What are ministers?

Scripture says he might even be able to deceive the very Elect, so I don't think non believers are who is being referred to here. Only the wicked are blinded. Satan needs not deceive the blind because they are already judged as unworthy of the truth.

Spare me the details, friend. The remnant is all of Israel that was left, nothing left but the remnant. You are misinterpreting the OT prophecies which shouldn't be a surprise since they're more complicated to understand than the definition of remnant.

Wow! I've never heard of economic collapse being the eyes of God.

The difference being Satan's ministers purposely preach and promote false doctrine to mislead the flock.

What does that have to do with Satan having ministers of light?

Why the quote within a quote? Since when are you not aware of how to quote and post?

Yeah, I know the feeling. When you can't debunk the facts, you say stuff like that. Who says it will, me or the script? Oh, the games we play.

My words are not but words because it's not my words I'm using for proof. It is God's word. There are only two covenants, the old and the new, period.

They are not personifications. They are the fallen angels, five in all, the Beast from the bottomless pit and the 4 re;eased Euphrates angels. They are also the kings that represent the beast kingdoms in Dan 7:17, five and not four just like the horsemen. The same way the 4th horseman is followed by Hell the 5th horseman is the same way the 4th beast kingdom's 11th horn in Dan 7 is the 5th beast kingdom of feet of iron and clay, Revelation's second beast kingdom, the False Prophet. They are the eyes of God sent forth through out the earth, angels/spirits: Note they are the same color horses as the horses of the horsemen in Revelation, the bay being the pale horse again followed by Hell's horse the spotted/speckled horse. The red horse is the brown horse of course. The key phrases here are the "eyes of the Lord," "which run to and fro through the earth," and "stand before the Lord of the whole earth." Again these are the same horses with the same colors, the eyes/spirits of God. Who do you suppose the 4 horns of the Gentiles are, the 4 carpenters that come to right their wrongs and to replace them, and the two olive branches in Zec 4:14 are? I rest my case. The 4-5 beast kingdoms in Dan 8 are the 4 horns from Zec 1:18,that scattered Israel and had to be replaced, the fallen amgels, the 4 to 5 beast kingdoms.

High five.

You know way better than that: There is but two.

What makes you such an expert to tell others what's what? The four horsemen are the same fallen angels that are released. Personifications aren't thrown into the lake of fire, only angels/men.

You people do this on purpose. You full well know "remnant" means all that's left or remaining, what the election of grace was, what Paul was verifying when he quoted Isa--h and used Elijah for an example of the remnant saved. It's an open and shut case. What's so funny about this whole thing is? God says anyone who denies Christ have not the father, yet you say they do. God says whosoever keeps company with said individuals to not bid them God's speed because they are part takers of their evil deeds - the written word! Yet, we still have some here who go against the grain and promote a spirit of antichrist doctrine.

Which part of the remnant called the election by Paul being all that's left of Israel don't you comprehend?

Paul specifically points out that the remnant saved is the election. Read the book. I rest my case, "at this present time." And a remnant means all that remains or all that's left of Israel.

You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. The Deliverer is Christ and the covenant that takes away their sins is the new covenant! Hebrews chapter eight proves it! There are only two covenants. This Paul writing to the Hebrews about the fulfillment of the new covenant and the vanishing away of the old. Which does not change the fact that the remnant saved is all of Israel. There is no national Israel to be saved. The remnant is all. It does not change the fact of what "remnant" means. Sometimes it's the translation that skews the message. Which is the new covenant, and the "they" were the Jews who accepted Christ. The Deliverer is Christ. The covenant is the new covenant. Which part of Paul quoting Isa--h and referencing Elijah as an example of Israel not being totally cast off because a remnant he calls the election are saved don't you understand. You're making mountains out of mole hills. Paul was quoting Isa--h's prophecy of a remnant being saved or else Israel would have been no more. The context is Paul's election of grace that's the remnant saved, and remnant means all that's left. That was the day. The covenant of forgiveness of sins to Jacob by the Deliverer is the new covenant and Christ.

Read on! Because the "remnant" saved, the "election," are the only ones saved, the only ones left, the only ones that remain, which is the definition of "remnant."

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Anyone?

I think everybody missed my post on page since it was hidden until approved, so I'm posting it again since everyone's on page 4: The defense moves for a mistrial.

Knowledge is Power. Revelation does not occur in chronological order. The seals, trumps, and vials all happen simultaneously. Events that took place during certain seals happened during certain trumps and vials; for example, the releasing of the first 4 seals is the same event as the 5th and 6th seal. They are the 4 (there are actually 5) kings mentioned in Dan 7:17, the fallen angels. They were released after being bound for a thousand years 9 years before the flood, released as the plagues in Egypt, which are the first 4 trumps and the first 5 vials - the sixth vial being the drying up of the Euphrates that caused Darius the Mede to conquer Babylon and free the Jews. So, the first 4 seals, trumps 1-6, and vials 1-5 are the same events. The beast in the second seal given a great sword was Nebuchadnezzar, given to him by God: Eze 30:24 And I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and put my sword in his hand: but I will break Pharaoh's arms, and he shall groan before him with the groanings of a deadly wounded man. Eze 30:25 But I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and the arms of Pharaoh shall fall down; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall put my sword into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall stretch it out upon the land of Egypt. The beast in the 1st seal wearing a crown and conquering with a bow was Alexander the Great, known for riding a white horse and fighting with a bow; in fact, all the major players pointed out in the Greek kingdom fought with bows, Gog and Antiochus III the Great, the reason being because all of them is the Prince of Grecia, the fallen angel. Eze 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: Eze 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel: Eze 39:3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand. Eze 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. I rest my case.

The only rapture of this earth is the wheat and tares rapture/harvest at the end of the world, the 3rd resurrection at the 7th trump. The first 2 resurrections happened in heaven: the resurrection of the just (Rev 6:9-11 & 7:9), and the "Great White Throne" judgement/resurrection/harvest after the 1,000 yrs heavenly reign (Rev 20:4-6). There is no "throne" judgement in the 3rd resurrection/harvest of this earth. We are either carried thru the gates into the new Shalem or carried to the lake of fire. Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. ++++++++++++++ Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Again, there is no throne judgement at the 3rd resurrection/harvest of this physical world.