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  1. Jesus Christ was persecuted, and sent to the cross for our sins. As fully man, and fully God, even he did not desire to be persecuted to the point of death when He petitioned of Father God:
    Luke 22:42  Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

    All Christians face some form of persecution, while it makes us uncomfortable, generally we grow in our faith in being a light for Christ in this fallen world.
    Plavious who is currently at Worthy is undergoing trials, hunger, a loved one lost, and perhaps persecution. Yet he is standing fast and seeking God to sustain him in the midst of his and his family's turmoil.

    I have no qualm in believing much of lightweight Christendom in many nations is turning towards the false, and needs to repent. It absolutely does. I wonder even now how many of America's professing Christians will stand if we had to go through the same persecutions as the early church did, or if we had to endure some of the persecutions of the tribulation period with our heads being cut off? -Rev 20:4
    Persecution will truly show who is of Christ, some may even be killed, and become martyrs for our Lord.

    With that, many lost may see their faith, and as a result, come to Christ themselves. However, we should never "Pray for the Church to be persecuted."

  2. On 3/2/2019 at 7:22 AM, simplejeff said:

    The faithful old saint who like others was extremely poor in the world's goods (not even having had a new shirt in many years) 

    said "We have need of nothing.  We have been praying for your country,  that God would send persecution to bring back the true faith in assemblies there. "


    Hey brother, while I feel real revival is needed, the portion of the story that falls flat on the note of "send persecution to bring back the true faith in assemblies there."

    The story you mentioned was what was overheard by James T. Draper Jr. of the Southern Baptist International Mission Board.
    Although our Chinese brother he overheard speaking with a newsman may have been "sincere" he was sincerely wrong when he stated: “We, in fact, are praying that the American church might taste the same persecution, so revival would come to the American church like we have seen in China.”

    I see no place in God's Word where we Christians are suggested to "pray for the church (American or otherwise) to taste persecution."

    My thoughts lean in the direction of should I pray for their cruel mockings? For them to be scourged? (Whipped) Should we pray for their imprisonment? For them to be sawn in half? Killed by the sword? Tormented? For them to be stoned?  Should I pray for them to have their clothes torn off and beaten, followed by them put in chains and shackles?  ---Of course not.

    Hebrews 11:36-38  And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:  (37)  They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;  (38)  (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

    Acts 7:55-60  But he, (Stephen) being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,  (56)  And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.  (57)  Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,  (58)  And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.  (59)  And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.  (60)  And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.(died)

    Acts 16:22-26  And the multitude rose up together against them: and the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat them.  (23)  And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely:  (24)  Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks.  (25)  And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.  (26)  And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.

  3. Hey submission, praying again for you and your wife this evening! Hoping she gets better soon.
    Has she ever repented and believed on Jesus Christ yet for the forgiveness of her sins?

    I recall you telling us sometime back she is seeking to be (or is) a Jehovah's Witness.

    Hoping she will and look to stay clear of that JW cult that believes Jesus is nothing more than the reincarnated Arch Angel Michael, when in fact our Lord made Michael. I've got one of their false bibles on my shelf, (marked "HERESY" on top) called "The New World Translation." Every reference towards the Lord Jesus Christ and His Deity has been removed and twisted out of context.

    Per example:
    JWs NWT John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

    KJV: John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    I'm reminded of one of their many false a false prophesies in 1975, in that Armageddon would come, and then Jesus would rein right after for 1000 years . Obviously He did not, and many JWs left that year. Hopefully some went on to find the True Messiah, Jesus Christ!
    A few more of their many false prophesies:
    https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-their-many-false-prophecies

    Please spend a bit of time here to see some of what their cultist beliefs are, perhaps you can share some with her:
    http://saintsalive.com/category/jehovah-witness/

    Jesus Christ can set your wife free, including those demonic nightmares!

    On  your end, please look to verify what you are hearing is in context of your own Bible if you are still attending the Charismatic Pentecostal services.
    Years ago, on my looking into more than a few, many of them "chased" the supernatural gifts of God, instead of chasing God first. Thereby, making an idol out of His gifts, God was not showing up to the services when I would see people rolling around on the floor, hooting, hollering, loud blood curdling screams in false tongues, some literally running around the pews full speed ahead, for a moment thought I was at a track race at that one! At another service, nothing but a "service" of laughter. The "pastor" started the laughter up on the stage, it then swept through congregation. Laughter, and more laughter, eventually all were laughing uncontrollably. I mean, where was the preaching? There was none, and I was not laughing...
    The last Pentecostal one I visited not long ago, had a money appeal when the tithe bowl came around, people were being told God would prosper them greatly. Later in the "sermon" people went to the front, only to be dropped to the floor like flies, supposedly being "slain by the Holy Spirit" working through the preachers hand. Actually this is an unholy spirit... A moment later, a woman in a dress began shaking violently and uncontrollably as she dropped to the floor like a rock. At this point, a small blanket was tossed over her to cover her very immodest position while she continued shaking on the floor.
    The same "pastor" at this place told me he was supposedly going through spiritual "portals" of some kind to get an "experience" from god. I know these to be "demonic" experiences, and told him so.

    The above has nothing to do with the Christ of the Bible.

    So, please be careful, keep God as your first love, and test everything by prayerfully reading God's Word.

  4. Hey Folks, an older missionary friend of mine has taken quite a fall a few weeks ago, and is in bad shape. Prayers for his health and healing requested. He and his wife have had to cancel quite a few meetings, including some younger missionaries that were going to be taught by him.

    They are getting along in age too, as things are getting a bit harder to do. They would not mind coming back to the U.S. at this late time in their lives, if the Lord would provide a means for them to do so. Prayers in that corner appreciated too.
    They have been serving our Lord in this capacity for 50 years.

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  5. 1 hour ago, ayin jade said:

    Apparently I completely misread a post and thought it was un approved as in united nations approved instead of unapproved. I just wanted to clear this up in the thread. 

    Guess Im not as "perfect" as I thought I was lol

    I tend to rely a bit on those "spell checkers" too, as mine I thought did not recognize "unapproved." I put UN-approved, and was a SHOUTING the UN instead of lower case un-approved and turns out I should have said UNapproved! Or if not shouting, it should have been unapproved.
    Soo muche fer dem der spellar checkars!! :crosseyed:

    Now, to keep things on track, the Bible is accurate! :)

  6. 22 hours ago, other one said:

    I would say though that Spiritual Formation is a very good tool....   it works for everyone I have met that has used it...   unfortunately it isn't the Holy Spirit that you get in contact with, and it will put a person into contact with entities that no one should be around...  and is not something that one can just walk away from unless they have the Holy Spirit move in with them by accepting Jesus as Lord and savior...

    Indeed, something for all to think upon, and absolutely true.
    In Christ, any involved in Spiritual Formation can repent, and be set free.

    I believe we can see the "spirit" of that "formation" thing right here, and those from his camp:

    2 Corinthians 11:14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

     

  7. On 3/2/2019 at 9:47 PM, B3L13v3R said:

    3 that come completely UN-recommended would be: The Message, that is quite messy.

     

     

    18 hours ago, ayin jade said:

    I tried googling that out of curiousity but I couldnt find that. How did you hear this and do you have a link please?

    Personally I do not like the message bible so Im not asking in order to defend that version.

      

    Hi Ayin Jade!
    1st of all, rejoicing with you on your last run for those cancer treatments, we had you in prayer! Seems you were in a pretty rough spot more than a few times.

    Hey, I saw you said you were searching/Googling,

    That was my "own" input on the "Message bible."  I'm not sure if I made that clear?

    I have a (messy) Message on my bookshelf, and I gotta tell ya, it's bad. The author Dr. Eugene Peterson did the Beatitudes in like 10 minutes, oh the depth of study on his part! E. Peterson (who recently passed away) was also heavily involved in some facets of the Emerging church, endorsed "The Shack" and was to make a video with Bono of U2. (The same Bono in U2 who told Ireland to legalize abortion, and believes in homosexual "marriage.")

    We occasionally read the Message around here for a chuckle, as it is so poorly written. Dry humor, I know.

    I do have several good links of a number of other godly people that have looked into that "version" that found it to be just as lacking.
    Here is one that is in a "PDF." Depending on your device, some view it automatically, others automatically download PDFs. 
    https://justinpeters.org/images/TheMessage2.pdf

    This summary has a few verses from these four versions side by side: NASB, KJV, NIV, & The Message
    "A Brief Summary of Passages Contained Within “The Message” by Eugene Peterson Which Directly Compromise Fundamental Tenets of Orthodox Christianity" by J. Peters
    Conclusion from this PDF:
    Pick up a copy of The Message and you will see on its front cover “The Bible in Contemporary Language.” The Message
    is NOT the Bible. It is one man’s commentary on the Bible, and an extraordinarily poor one at that.
    Some object to criticism of Peterson’s work by saying The Message is not a literal translation but rather a
    paraphrase. True. But even paraphrases should be an accurate thought for thought rendering of the original
    biblical text. We are not talking here about a paraphrase of “Green Eggs and Ham.” We are talking about the
    Word of God. God holds His name and His word above all things (Psalm 138:2). His Word must be rendered
    and handled accurately. What we believe about God is derived from what we read in His Word. If one reads an
    erroneous Bible, then it logically follows that what one believes about God will also be in error."

     

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  8. 42 minutes ago, other one said:

    I have lost count of the people who have told me they stopped going to seminary schools because they were destroying their faith.

    A brief mention here too of the majority of Christian colleges that are accredited today, including many Methodist, are embracing the ancient Roman Catholic mystic "Desert fathers" and it's counter part "Eastern Mysticism" in it's teachings in what is now called "Spiritual Formation" in our Christian ranks. It's my understanding they not only have to teach it, but one has to "practice it" before they can graduate. I'm currently aware of two men in my area that are involved in this, one I've warned, and he's all but run from me. The other, a Methodist pastor is embracing this mess, teaching his congregation the same, and has a eastern mystical "labyrinth" in his church yard...
    Some colleges are trying now to clear themselves of the stigma that is properly associated with Spiritual Formation, and now call it "Christian Formation." Same teachings with a different name, nothing more than damage control to protect the guilty.
    Eastern mysticism was something I left back in the 80s and I'm quite frankly shocked to see just how many churches in our nation have embraced it in the form of "Spiritual Formation." The Methodist, and many other denominations continue to hold fast to this "Formation." Plain and simple, it's not of God.

    This is due to in great part, many folks not believing the thread title... "Is the Bible Accurate?" Which of course it is.

    It would be such a blessing to see the Body of Christ as a whole, truly believe this portion of Worthy's Statement of Faith:

    "We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God."

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  9. On 2/28/2019 at 2:07 PM, johnthebaptist said:

    We have many such pastors in my conference of the United Methodist Church, the California-Nevada Conference. They might not be as extreme as the pastor you are talking about, but they want you to believe there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, despite what the Lord said about it. The United Methodist Church, thank heavens, after a special meeting last week in St. Louis, has decided to remain faithful to the Lord's teachings and teach that homosexuality is a sin. Now we will see if the liberal wing of the church splits and starts its own church. Hopefully if they do, they won't drag my church along with it.

    It's General Conferences like this that have to be held, as many in the UMC do not believe in God's inerrant Word. (And many other denominations now as well.)

    It was somewhat encouraging to see them vote last Tuesday on banning same sex marriage, along with banning gay and lesbian clergy.
    With the 53% for this, and 47% against though, we still see a wide rift of those in the UMC that would still embrace these sexual sinners, who need to repent, and believe on Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins in order to be Saved.

    A lot has been going on with Methodism, and many other denominations that were sound in much in their doctrine in times past.

    2016 was an interesting year for the Methodist.

    -Over 100 UMC Clergy came out as Homosexuals, hoping to gain acceptance.
    -Despite their probation of homosexuality, they nominated 3 openly homosexual candidates for Bishop. That same year, they elected a Lesbian for a Bishop.
    -In 2017 The Northern Illinois Conference of the UMC commissioned a deacon who identifies as “non-binary,” (meaning SHE sees herself as neither male or female.)
    -Sometime back, a Methodist minister "married" his son to another sodomite man.
    -In another case, a Methodist University in GA expelled a  Chick-fil-A from their campus, in part due to the founder David Cathy's stance on a biblical marriage being between one man and one woman.

    It was not until 2016 that the Methodist recanted on allowing for abortion, something much of the denomination had previously allowed quietly for years.
    After withdrawing from abortion in 2016, they still say they are "reluctant" to approve abortion" which somewhat still "allows" for it although "reluctantly." They call it a "complex topic." There is nothing complex about it at all, God sees it as cold blooded murder.

    http://www.umc.org/what-we-believe/what-is-the-united-methodist-position-on-abortion
    "Our belief in the sanctity of unborn human life makes us reluctant to approve abortion."

    The Salvation Army has similar language now, that allows for abortion.
    William Booth the founder of the S.A. would not believe what some of it has come too.

  10. On 2/28/2019 at 2:07 PM, johnthebaptist said:

    Talking about translations....I want to explain that the "pastor" of whom I spoke that said a Bible verse was wrong in his sermon, was not talking about translations.   He literally meant the Bible verse was wrong!...

    My wife and I years ago went to a similar church. After listening to his hubbub, I spoke with him after the service, correcting him on a verse that he suggested made God a liar.
    He informed me with a proud and haughty look "You have not been to seminary."

    We never looked back, and I've warned more than a few of that place.

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  11. Yes, it completely accurate!

    The Bible is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 different authors, on three different continents, in three different languages, over a period of about 1500 years.

    Quite the "miracle" with God bringing all these Books together as One Book I would say!

    The Holy Spirit inspired it through the men He wrote it through.

    2 Peter 1:19-21  We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:  (20)  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.  (21)  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    I'm with Other One though, with at least 125 English translations, their can be problems. Some translations make quite a bit of money on their patents, and only allow you to "quote" so much of their "patented" work. I mean, come on!
    KJV by the way, is "Public Domain" you may quote the entire Bible if you wish!

    3 that come completely UN-recommended would be: The Message, that is quite messy. The Passion, quite messy also. And none other than "The Queen James bible" that has removed every verse in the Bible referring to homosexuality.
     

     

  12. @simplejeff Hey Jeff! I was kind of surprised no one seemed to take notice of this story. So as Christians in China, we have a "social score is essentially zero." And cameras with facial recognition that check folks coming into church! :o Big Brother China is watching! Pray for our persecuted brethren there!

    Thank God, He does not see us in that fallen humanistic light, but instead, the Light of Jesus Christ, our glorious Savior!

    And He is watching too!

    Proverbs 15:3  The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.
     

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  13. I continue to notice that any heretical or false teaching if allowed to stand will be built upon by another, not only annihilationism.
    There are many other false teachings in our generation doing just that.
    Emergent, Ecumenical, and Eucharistic thinking that is wrongful, and being built upon heavily upon in the present.

    Jesus Christ alone, removes us from the everlasting punishment and wrath to come. And I'm eternally grateful.


    Some hard to understand things will damn the eternal soul, if one follows those who wrest Scriptures to their own destruction:

    2 Peter 3:16-18  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.  (17)  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.  (18)  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


    Others will thoroughly confuse the Body of Christ, even making a shipwreck of their faith at times:

    1 Timothy 1:18-20  This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;  (19)  Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:  (20)  Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.


    I mentioned some of the unsaved appreciate the fallacy of this annihilationism teaching, as it allows them to continue in their sins without much worry when NOTHING could be further from the Truth...

    These verses could not be clearer, no matter how some may wrangle them. Without Jesus Christ, there will be eternal punishment. All the more reason for us to share the Gospel! :)

    Matthew 25:41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    Matthew 25:46  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    As an addendum, over the years I've found these cultists with "another jesus" believe this same mistake of annihilationism, as I have spoken to many of them over time;

    -Jehovah's Witnesses, (who also believe Jesus Christ was formally the Arch Angel Michael)
    -Seventh-day Adventists, (Similar to JW's, they also believe Jesus Christ was the created Arch Angel Michael when He is mentioned in the Bible, only they feel he was not created, as Michael
    is a title applied to the Son of God in the Word. Not so!)
    -Armstrongism, (Herbert. W. Armstrong along with his various splinter groups. Armstrong would teach that
    "Jesus did not become the Son of God until about 4 b.c., when born in human flesh of the virgin Mary.")
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    Universalism (teaches all people will be saved, and there is no eternal Hell.)
    -Christadelphians (Who believe Jesus had a sinful nature, and that His atonement was not substitutional for our sins.)


    Annihilationism:

     They believe the Saved, as being the only ones who go on to live for eternity... They do not believe God's Words on the everlasting destruction for the lost in the Lake of Fire. But instead a literal and final death and destruction and they are no more.
    They believe at some point, "POOF" ...and the lost are eternally gone.:blow-up:


    Not so.

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  14. 3 hours ago, DarrenJClark said:

    I notice that you omit commenting on 2 Peter 2:6 which runs in the opposite direction to your interpretation.

    This verse is a reference of what took place in the natural, that refers towards the example of the eternal fire, as per previous verses sited. For ever and ever come to mind:

    2 Peter 2:6  And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

    Beyond commenting on the above, I do not feel compelled to debate you on your exegesis, that I see as flawed on every side of the eternal  issue on The Lake of Fire. The Word of God is clear on the matter.


    Folks, I have hope that those who stand on annihilationism, or conditionalism/annihilationism may change their thinking. If by some chance they do not, that you yourselves who know the Truth of this matter will stand fast, and not fall into the net of this wrongful thinking of removing, changing, choosing, smorgasbord handling of God's Word.
    A lot of mistaken, or outright false teaching these days pretends to allow for our thinking, with the agenda of replacing the Truth with something new. In this case, "conditionalist/annihilationism."


    One thing I know for certain, the annihilationists thinking in part cheapens and discounts the Gospel of Christ, who with His Words told us of "into the fire that never shall be quenched" and "Where their worm dieth not." I've noted them discounting that as well in their writings.
    A Hell fire so awful that Jesus Christ told us it would be better to cut off a hand, foot, or pluck out an eye in this life and get into heaven, rather than wind up in Hell with two good hands, feet, and eyes.

    Mark 9:43-47  And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:  (44)  Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.  (45)  And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:  (46)  Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.  (47)  And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

    As a side note, on a number of occasions when evangelizing for Christ, I've met lost people that also believe this lie of annihilationism, that was erroneously taught to them by someone, or some "leader." And they will go towards great wranglings of the Bible to "prove" their cause, even though their not Saved!
    Some of the lost enjoy this false teaching, as they fasten onto it as an escape clause, "just in case" there is a Lake of Fire, with their
    "faith" in annihilationism!
    Therefore, it will not be all that bad if what I am telling them about the Gospel is correct and they "deny it."

    Matthew 10:32-34  Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.  (33)  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.  (34)  Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

    I'll insure them the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that can forgive them of their sins is absolutely correct, and a Christ-less eternity in the Lake of Fire for those who ignore His precious Gift of Salvation is also correct.

  15. A 33 minute video on abortion for those who may not have seen it. It's called 180movie.

    Here is the link at Worthy:
    180movie
    https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/144278-180-movie/?tab=comments#comment-1724889

    As a family, we have bought a number of the 180movies in DVD form, and shared them with Pro Life clinics. They pass them along to some of the pregnant gals that visit them, who may be considering the life/death issue of the child they are carrying.

    We had a neighbor not far from here a while back, that was going to kill her baby while pregnant, and her family was pressing her to murder it too.
    My wife and I counseled her a bit, pointed her to the Gospel, and let her know God saw abortion as murder. We also gave her a copy of the 180movie DVD that they watched. A few months later, she had given birth to a beautiful baby girl! Praise God!

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  16. On 2/14/2019 at 5:57 AM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

    That's another good site SavedOneByGrace. They also have over 700 testimonies of women that have gone through with an abortion at the same site, and the regrets that followed...
    We have bought a few of their T-shirts, and pass out their Abort73 cards.

    The one my son wears is quite profound in it's statement by asking the question:

    T_Shirt_Abort73.jpg.0cf32bf6d8bd963d90e828414dad1e4a.jpg

    The page where we purchased it, has this to say of this shirt,  :
    "Design Explanation
    This is not a shirt about gun control. It’s simply a response to the fact that when children are the victims of gun violence, the world is outraged. When children are the victims of abortion violence, the world barely notices.
    "

    They have a number of different styles.

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  17. On 2/6/2019 at 2:38 PM, Cletus said:

    55 million plus abortions done... if the statistic is not old.

    Hey brother, that's about six million off, as of today in the U.S. 61,097,900 slaughtered babies since 1973's Roe vs Wade.
    I mean, can you imagine, we are missing about 1/5 of our population. It's horrific. ?

    Number of Abortions - Abortion Counters
    http://www.numberofabortions.com/

    On counting since 1980; World wide today: 1,526,697,400 slaughtered babies.
    That's just over 1/5 of the worlds population of 7.7 billion...

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  18. On 2/27/2019 at 5:24 PM, DarrenJClark said:

    Interesting.  You literally changed the words of the verse without explaining why.  So eternal fire becomes eternal death.

    The "Eternal Death" I mentioned there, was a figure of speech, based not only on the "suffering the vengeance of eternal fire" as mentioned in Jude 1:7.

    Other supporting Scriptures on the mention of the "Eternal Death" thinking, would be the "Second Death," which is also ETERNAL suffering!


    -Revelation 2:11  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
    -Revelation 20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    -Revelation 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    We know this second eternal death to be eternal in all aspects based on other supporting verses in the Bible.
    These supporting verses could not be any clearer on the matter, "everlasting fire," "everlasting punishment," everlasting destruction,"the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever" and "they have no rest day nor night."
    Those Truths are presented here:


    -Matthew 25:41-46  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:  (42)  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:  (43)  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.  (44)  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?  (45)  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me(46)  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
    -2 Thessalonians 1:8-9  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:  (9)  Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

    The same fate of those who worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark on their forehead, or in their hand, awaits those without Christ in the next life, in the torment of the Lake of Fire for ever and ever:

    Revelation 14:10-11  The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:  (11)  And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

  19. On 2/21/2019 at 8:59 AM, Zetetica said:

    ...God can do anything, period. God is awesome! If anyone should ever tell you that God "can't heal you" or that same-sex attraction is "natural" or that gender is "just a social construct" or "you're born that way", they are wrong.

    While it's true that Jesus Christ loves us, even while we were still sinners, and died for us then, He won't leave us in such a horrible condition. He makes us new, and causes our hard heart to soften, and our mind to be sound, and to desire good. Jesus Christ is truly to be praised! King of Kings! Lord of Lords! Light! Truth! Living Water! Bread! Everything!

    Great two part testimony there Zetetica! Thanks for sharing! :)

    I hope and pray you may continue to share your testimony of our Savior Jesus Christ with the lost, particularly in our generation now that looks to spin genders with such great frequency in Satan's every form of teaching and media.

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  20. Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary, emphasis mine:

    Eternal
    1. Without beginning or end of existence.
    The eternal God is thy refuge. Deu 33.

    2. Without beginning of existence.
    To know whether there is any real being, whose duration has been eternal.

    3. Without end of existence or duration; everlasting; endless; immortal.
    That they may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Tim 2.
    What shall I do, that I may have eternal life? Mat 19.
    Suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 7.

    4. Perpetual; ceaseless; continued without intermission.
    And fires eternal in thy temple shine.

    5. Unchangeable; existing at all times without change; as eternal truth.

    ETER'NAL, n. An appellation of God.


  21. The smallest Book in the New Testament, Jude, speaks:

    Eternal Death:
    Jude 1:7  Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    Eternal Life:
    Jude 1:21  Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

    Let us be leading the lost away from their ultimate destination without Christ, the eternal Lake of Fire and Brimstone, by sharing the truth of repentance towards Jesus Christ who alone and forgive their sins and set them free!

    Jude 1:22-23  And of some have compassion, making a difference:  (23)  And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

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