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Lame attempt, Lurker. I said nothing of the kind. You tell us that if we jump the fence and take up your arguments we will somehow understand evolution? I ALREADY understand the theory and the process....as I'm sure everyone else does who posts here. I don't think you're going to get believers to argue against Creation. So why do you argue against it? I have a tea pot that has a spout and it must spout out whatever is brewed within it

One of the most beautiful truths in all Scripture- 1 Cor 10:11 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. NKJV after reading all of Heb 11 we are given the same understanding in- Heb 12:1-2 1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. NKJV These things happened and are for our understanding of God, we have The Teacher living inside each one of us! with these truths come this- Luke 12:48 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. KJV So in reality we have been given all the lives of the OT and NT as example for the Holy Spirit to teach us what God expects from His children and with this truth the resulting question- 2 Peter 3:10-1310 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. NKJV Again to show us whether few or many- [He will judge righteously] (eight souls in the whole world lived) but those who perished were preach to of repentance for 120 years before it occurred and in this He certainly warned us of "last days" = "upon whom the ends of the ages have come."- 2 Tim 3 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. The Man of God and the Word of God 10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra

I got off topic Neb! I appologize!! Love Steven

That man has tried to create a new reality is probably not surprising to God. Nor would it be pleasing to Him. Those that deny Him and Creation are following another master and it's not going to be pretty in the end. We need to pray for those that suffer under this strong delusion. Thanks for bringing back in line! Love Steven

Oh thank you soooo much for reminding me of my Cell Biology class! What are Brothers for? knock knock Love Steven

God will teach the evolution of no tongue or mind to them- Isa 41:28-29 28 For I looked, and there was no man; I looked among them, but there was no counselor, Who, when I asked of them, could answer a word. 29 Indeed they are all worthless; Their works are nothing; Their molded images are wind and confusion. NKJV Love Steven

You seem to be mixing up "evolution" with "cosmology" and "entropy" with "things that we like to happen". You may want to think about not doing that. Just a thought. Lurker Lets just stay with the facts: Those who spread lies within the complexities and actually hide there are running out of time as Daniel is being fulfilled- Knowledge is increasing! Oh , Because I have the Manual from God who created all this stuff! Let me reiterate: Evolution was brought into being by this simple belief that the single cell was a most simplistic of design! With the growth of our understanding and increase in knowledge, [This was fore told in my Manual: Dan 12:4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase." NKJV], Science has actually witnessed information interchange on cellular levels and a most complex and organized factory where evolution has run out of time even in the ... best efforts to maintain it functional aspects as to merit are becoming ever more embarrassing for the scientific community! I see perfectly that entropy in this topic is physics measure of unavailable energy: a measure of the energy in a system or process that is unavailable to do work. In a reversible thermodynamic process, entropy is expressed as the heat absorbed or emitted divided by the absolute temperature. Symbol S Encarta

So much of the miracles and working of God in them relate exactly to this truth. Thank you for your heart in this matter! Love Steven

It happened 40 years ago when I was twelve years of age! I remember I believed who Jesus was and all that He said about Himself even perhaps at the same time I was shown what I was and that I had nothing of value only sin and shame and that I needed Him. Sorrow and grief and shame till I told Pastor Elmore I wanted to ask Jesus to save me and He(The Father) adopted me as His son as soon as those words came out and I sensed weight being lifted off my soul and joy replaced sorrow and a newness I did not understand. So Faith in what His Word said about Him and then repentance but clearly I could not say for sure due to memory. Thats why the circles as you said I wish to be right in my sayings for I am accountable to my Lord for every word! Sorry I cannot be more accountable to your question! Love Steven

Well onelight you sure know how to ask tough questions! You otto 1. lighten up on the newbies The Philippian jailer received Paul and Silas Acts 16:24 after they were beaten and was told to keep them securely! Securely stressed greatly because He put them in the inner prison and also fastened them in stocks. Next at Midnight their praying and singing praises to our Lord. The prisoners were listening to them, so much so, that when the earthquake shook all things loose, doors, shackles, stocks the prisoners were in where Paul and Silas were instead of escaping! The jailer was sleeping awakes and as He witnesses the doors open and passes by cells with chains and shackles and no prisoners at last He comes to the inner cell and the door is also open He just figures it to be the same as the rest he had already passed by. This could be a slow tortuous death for him so he draws his sword to kill himself and receives the greatest witness of something that is out of this world reality- Paul screamed from the cell he assumed was also empty and calling for a light went in and all were there before Paul and Silas. Their testimony alone and the work of God(drawing the hearts of the prisoners to want to be with Paul and Silas more than escaping) was more than this mans could understand but also something he did not have within himself but would have fled! Dropping to his knees before them and asking how can I be saved is repentance for he was submitted to that which he had power over! Then Paul and Silas told them all about Christ "they spoke the Word of The Lord to them" and they believed. The Corinthians he labored by persuasion to bring them to Christ. Acts 18 At Ephesus Acts 19 finding 12 disciples "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" They were of the repentance of John the Baptist, when taught of Christ they were baptized In The Name of Christ. When Paul laid hands on them they received The Holy Spirit. It seems the testimony of others can bring repentance and directing that toward Christ Salvation. Teaching the Word brings repentance and Salvation. Having the incomplete doctrine of repentance and learning the fulness of doctrine in Christ brings salvation. Faith and repentance always seem to accompany one another both are gifts from God not of any work we can generate! As far as the order 1st and last it seems up to the Lord who gives them. For in Him both the Alpha and Omega are the same. For in His pleasure the first shall be last and the last shall be first also that which is least is greatest and greatest the least. This is why His way increases out of our sight for He dwells without bounds and in all things He alone is I am that I am. He is ours and we are His because of what our Lord Christ has done and I shall always with His strength rejoice in the journey He has given me "Praise God through whom all blessing flow"! Love Steven

Sure makes this impossible- Isa 1:18-20 18 "Come now, and let us reason together," Says the Lord, "Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool. 19 If you are willing and obedient, You shall eat the good of the land; 20 But if you refuse and rebel, You shall be devoured by the sword"; For the mouth of the Lord has spoken. NKJV And this 1 Cor 14:19 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue. NKJV 'Or'el Shalhevet' As we seek to know Him the question remains what good is gibberish! Love Steven

Find strength as did Paul Phil 4:11-13 11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12 I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. NKJV Love Steven

REPENTANCE: First of all we are commanded to by God because of judgment and Christ being raised from the dead- Acts 17:30-31 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead." NKJV Second it cannot be a work of our own for it is given by God- Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life." 2 Tim 2:25-26 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. Third it is the call of repentance to Salvation- 2 Cor 7:10-11 10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. NKJV 2 Peter 3:9 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. NKJV A neccessary element in Savlation- Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. NKJV Acts 3:19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord NKJV Acts 8:20-23 20 But Peter said to him, "Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! 21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity." NKJV It was preached by Christ: Matt 4:17 17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Mark 1:14-15 14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel." NKJV Preached by John the Baptist: (The Old covenant Law making staight the path of the New covenant Grace "Jesus Christ The Savior of the world") Matt 3:2-3 2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" 3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying: "The voice of one crying in the wilderness: 'Prepare the way of the Lord; Make His paths straight.'" NKJV Preached by the Apostles: Mark 6:12 12 So they went out and preached that people should repent. NKJV Acts 20:20-21 20 how I kept back nothing that was helpful, but proclaimed it to you, and taught you publicly and from house to house, 21 testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. NKJV We are to proclaim it: Luke 24:46-47 46 Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. NKJV Not by any other way but your Word Oh Lord! Help us to place a smile upon your face with our Obedience to your Word for by that obedience we are saying we love You 1 John 2:5-6 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. NKJV ... This is the work of the Holy Spirit- enabled Holiness God's work in us! Love Steven

Aqua that's awesome! Love Steven

My friend and fellow vessel of the Holy Spirit of God whom presses your heart as mine in this truth! I understand the urging for I also am pressed this way. The fire of testing is coming and only that which is of God remains all else will suffer loss! 1 Peter. I live very differently than I did 1 year ago and am preparing myself for sacrifice by the truthful examination of worth as presented in The Word of God! There is no value in the thing set aside for burning! A quote from a now living with Christ saint " He is no fool to give up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot loose" Amen! Love Steven

Because the spirit of disobedience influences them! They are obeying satan without even knowing it! Evolution is man best attempt to science and it's beginnings are not even supported by science own laws. case in point: The energy that is measurable only in the greatest expansion of our minds to cause all that we can witness, as to this universe, to this point is not found in that experience! First big bang, then redefined big bang and now just a lot of huey. Because of entropy a scientific law there has to be something greater to cause and effect all that we are witnessing! Faith is the only element that both the Christian and the evolutionist can use to answer what we are learning and witnessing. Because in My estimation as we learn more God will become more and more the evidence of the answer to all things to His praise and glory! Love Steven

That is wise! Love Steven

Nobody tell the new people about the fat lady I'm new and it has damaged me I'm going to need therapy!

Looks like its got a long way to go Yet!!!!

Paul's advice agrees if you are so gifted! 1 Cor 7:6-9 6 But I say this as a concession, not as a commandment. 7 For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that. 8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion. NKJV 1 Cor 7:26-28 26 I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress

Well said! For Jesus it was and is and will be a special interest- Was Matt 19:14-15 14 But Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven." 15 And He laid His hands on them and departed from there. NKJV Is Matt 18:3-5 3 and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me. NKJV Will Be 1 John 3:2-3 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. NKJV Love Steven

That is the one truth for the foundation of eternity! Rom 4:23-25 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification. 5:1-5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. NKJV Love steven

It is the foundation for all else "His Word" for if we stand upon The Word we stand for eternity. Luke 21:33 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. NKJV Love Steven

Places the Charismatic movement is suspect: Faith Why did Christ say this- John 20:29 29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."NKJV and the writer of Hebrews- Heb 11:1-3 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.NKJV It seems they(chrasmatics) prompt us to establish a greater faith by sight and signs. Christ indicated the reverse sight and signs established His Word now faith as the writer of Hebrews defines. Tongues Why did Paul say this- 1 Cor 14:18-1918 I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.NKJV With the tongues that are being used in church worship to God today are gibberish? What happened to the Spirit in Paul and now? Examine the spirits 1 John 4:14 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.NKJV When there is doubt pray and immerse yourself in His Word to find answers to those doubts. Be immovable till His light shines upon His paths for your feet to walk upon! If you seek Him and the answers with all your heart this promise will be fulfilled- Matt 7:7-8 7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.NKJV Notice it does not give a response time for God! When we will recieve, but that we will recieve thus waiting upon God is the key. If it were only one truth directly from God it would be worth all our lifetimes to receive it! Yet we have the whole council of God before us with His Spirit to guide us into all that we seek! Isa 40:31 31 But those who wait on the Lord Shall renew their strength; They shall mount up with wings like eagles, They shall run and not be weary, They shall walk and not faint. NKJV The reasoning here is 1. want 2. then ask and seek 3. then wait at this point we will have all the strength we need to recieve in His good time! Love Steven

Or'el Shalhevet, Thankyou for that post! I am finding that in all of life the Lord has spelled out His Name, both in little and great. Love Steven