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hee hee... It would seem a rather random response wouldnt it! lol.

yes I was referring to the thread title. I think the op is relaying that they wouldnt be confident with the government running health care since they cant get a stamp right. I dont blame the people for non confidence of the US gov, I just know I prefer our medical system as the poor arent left without.

my moms cancer operations and treatments would have cost me at least my house. Why I am happy with our system. My boys were born, one needed special care. This would have cost me my car. Why I am happy with our system. Though its not perfect, the rich and poor alike receive treatment if necessary. There may be waits and one has to be agressive at times to get their treatment in a timely manner but at least the masses of empoverished are not left untreated due to lack of funds. Included with their social assistance is their medical. I have no problem paying for that in my premiums.

I don't like children. Is it normal? Maybe not. But it is natural. Nothing in my past has made me reach this conclusion, the only thing that has made me dislike children is the fact that I find them annoying and just don't have the patience to deal with them. My brother and his family stayed with my parents over Christmas and they have a 2 young children (I think they are 4 and 6 or something, though I could be wrong) and a baby, who at the time was 6 months old. The baby is theirs, the other two they are legal guardians for. They were only around for a couple of days before they had to leave, but the two children drove me absolutely crazy. I had to keep leaving the room. My nephew....well, even I'm not that heartless, he is pretty darn adorable My flatmate has two nieces, one is 13 (or around that, maybe a bit younger) and the other is 6 (ish). The 13 year old I don't mind so much, the 6 year old...well, she's like a hurricane. She comes in the room, leaves a few minutes later and everything is a mess! I'm sure a lot of people find her adorable but I don't like spending too much time around children. Now, maybe it's just because they aren't related to me, but I honestly can't see me wanting to spend all that much around even my nephew when he is a toddler because, frankly, I don't like toddlers. So maybe that makes me a freak or something, but I don't care. It's just the way I am. Maybe one day I will meet a good (Christian) guy and get married and maybe at that point, I will change my mind about children. But for now, I don't like children, I don't want children and I am not going to apologise for that. Hee hee... this kinda cracked me up. I could have written this post 15 years ago... word for word almost to the T including the 2 children from my brothers wife's first relationship & my niece ROFL!!! Here's the deal though, when you have your kids its different. I expected to immediately go back to work. (still havent) For starters the behavior that you didnt like in other kids, well, we are models for our kids. if we are clean and model good habits they follow suit. My 6 year old joys cleaning his room. We play hoarders where we have throw away keep & donate... Anyway there's no way I can tell you how it is, just dont write off having kids cause others dont know how to raise em cause I'm pretty sure you'll do just fine. YOU CHILD HATER... hee hee... of course I'm kidding. Maybe you'll change your mind, maybe not... its all good... (they'll put slime on the windows of your car of blue.)

This all must be very overwhelming and hard to read. Bless your heart Please do pray about the words contained within this thread & if you are really defensive it may be because you do recognise that yes though they may seem harsh there is truth contained therein. I hope you are ok.

I'm a "real" Christian & I WILL praise & celebrate our beautiful Lord this sunday.

People seem to forget that part. It's easier to see the hatred that went into the crucifixion of Jesus, then it is to see the act of love that was accomplished that day. AMEN!!!

As I read the thread that has spanned a couple of months I see the work of the Lord in freeing you from a tie to that place. I eagerly anticipate where this takes you because I just know that in Christ it will work out for good & just have a sence that some wonderful change is in the future for you! Bless your heart!!! now as for the bugs... I'm a freak about bugs too but since i had kids had to overcome that, cant have me PLUS a traumatized 2 year old so I had to overcome that 8 years ago. Its funny though when i squish a spider i keep squishing for like 30 seconds to make it MORE dead. The comment about the pj's & slippers reminded me of one morning when I was outside in my flip flops & long jammie bottoms looking at my flower bed and having my coffee... all of a sudden i felt a bite then another on my upper thigh I screamed & ripped my pants off right then and there in my garden I was covered with RED ANTS! how they got up my pants without my knowledge I'll never know but i was running for the house slapping my legs and threw my pants across the yard... Thankfully we live in the bush & not a neighbour in sight praise the Lord lol!!! It was garbage day though so I was lucky to not be spotted! I look forward to hearing where you end up!

Wow. You'd actually advocate your son doing those ungodly things as long as it "wasn't under your roof"? I'd consider someone like that more of a loser than a young man who lives with and helps his mom. Like our Heavenly Father gives us the ability to make choices our earthly mother, when we become of age (18 in Canada) should allow us to make choices be them good, be them bad. Neither of the boys are losers in the eyes of our loving God. He see's the pain that leads the druggie to addiction, Our Lord sees him as his precious child just as he sees your dedicated to mom son. I say neither the drug addict nor your son are losers because of their situations. I consider no person a loser. We are all equally undeserving of the mercy and grace of our Lord. Even the piece of garbage who hurt me as a kid... I in the flesh would call him a piece of garbage but the Lord showed me him as a 4 year old being hurt. This is how the Lord sees him with undeserved mercy and compassion, I am thankful that I can now see him in this way too as the hate was ruining my life and unforgiveness was effecting my walk with Christ. its time to push the boy outa the boat & teach him to either walk on water like Jesus (a joke with no blasphemy intended) or swim. Fear is not of the Lord, you will be fine! Bless your heart. I also pray that your heart will soften towards those who are less fortunate in the hand they've been dealt. I know a few drug addicts, in fact I know the president of VANDU they did a documentary on my friend Dean wilson in the movie Fix. He's a very smart heroin addict. (used to be much much smarter but we notice his decline of brain function) I know one would think that those two words dont belong together but sometimes even smart people do things to numb their incredible pain & then suddenly discover they are lost. We dont have to trust them, but we should treat them with love and mercy and compassion. I dont see a loser, I see a soul trying to mask a heap load of pain. Of course you dont want that for your son, but if he chooses it good or bad, the choices are his. Our heavenly Father doesnt advocate our sin, but still we sin. You dont advocate the sins of your son, but still he will sin.

I didnt mean for my smilie to be rolling his eyes... sorry bout that! this is the smiley i intended...

Unfortunately its not your choice, its his. You can choose to embrase his choices or reject & cause friction between you. It really isnt your deal, its his & anything other than being supportive of his choices as he's an adult, will cause friction. Even the choice to have sex before marriage. You brought him up in the faith, good job! now he will walk his own walk in faith. I'd pray lots for him & pray for the Lord to prepare his wife for him (a wife of nobel charactor, for of course you would desire this for him!) & to bless your relationship with whoever she may be. I doubt that this interaction with this girl will go anywhere anyway so you are probably worrying needlessly. Regardless, you gotta let him be. nice to meet you.

Awwwe, I'm sorry. I dont think anyone meant to rake you, just give you advise. Its hard to hear most of whats been said cause its just hard, I cant even imagine what you are going through. Genesis 2:24 (King James Version) 24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. You need to think about the fact that this IS going to happen and whoever she is will be his #1. If she isnt his #1 then that would make him not such a good husband so you should pray for God to bless him and whoever he chooses, in this way and you should choose to take second when this happens. Not unimportant but his wife & family should be more important while he still honors you. This is the way its supposed to be in healthy relationship. I dont even want to think about my boys leaving home... they are going to though. You will be lonely for a time but you'll be ok. Do not be afraid nor dismayed for the Lord thy God is with you wherever you may go. Bless your heart mom who loves her boy so very much! Sometimes love must be tough.

Hello, welcome to worthy! I'm in agreement with the other posters. I left home at 17 and thank God my mom pressed me to get out of our town and get a life (my own life). I think when we allow our children to stay home we rob them of their accomplishment. If he is still in college thats different but if he's done you need to stop clinging and cut the ole apron strings. Remember how it felt to have your first place... I remember my rent was more than one paycheque & i lived on ichiban noodles but I was PROUD!!! Now with regards to the girl, there is no rhyme nor reason for chemistry & for who the Lord will draw the supposed most excellent looking boy to the plain girl.... I dont think you realize how shallow the words with respect to this girl sounded. I hope that my boys will find a girl who's heart is pure and beautiful & loving. I could care less about the outside package. Even if she's not intelligent, some of the most beautiful people I know arent the smartest. Do you think maybe your son understates his interest because he knows your judgement of this girl? Do you also think that perhaps you judge her harshly cause you fear being alone a little. Bless your heart, I've been open & frank with you & I hope you dont take it wrong I just want you to think about your persecution of the girl. My husbands family didnt think I was good enough either. Its a shame to deal with that for many years, undeserved persecution. Oh also, unsolicited advice on the job thing... I managed a brokerage & am partner in an industrial roofing company. without exception the people We've hired have been the ones who've phoned lots & showed up. tell your son, work is 20% knowledge & ability & 80% attitude, If he has a good attitude and his boss is the boss & he does what the boss says & doesnt get sucked into other peoples garbage & negativity he will have no choice but to prosper! Show up 1/2 hr early for EVERY shift & never do anything personal on company time. (gotta hate the text/internet surfers on company time!!) God bless you as you deal with empty nest... this will be hard. hugs.

You wrote this: One is Satanic in origin for the spirit of it contains both temptation and accusation. The other inspires a Spirit of self sacrifice, forbearance and forgiveness suppose I misunderstood

@ Childeye... Thanks for your nice response though I was undeserving. I would never ever call any part of Gods word satanic. When I said you reminded me of a time earlier in my faith I was referring to the fact that I'd received the Lord but spent no time in Gods word. I thought of that because you seemed to have a certain lack of regard for the word of God but then you confuse me because you quote the word of God with great ability & this causes me to wonder. I am in no way qualified or good at scripture debate. I am articulate but have issues with recall and focus. I'll leave the debate to you guys but I did want to let you know how I was receiving what you were posting. Thank you for breaking up the posts, believe it or not it does make a difference to me & my ability to read your posts in their entirety. God bless you as you fellowship & you & steven perhaps grow to be wonderful friends. One of my best online friends took me to task on many things & I actually intensely disliked him our first few threads. I suppose that was cause he was right. Perhaps the Lord will bless you guys in this way

You've presented an interesting take on this. I think there's some validity to it. I happen to live near an Amish community. This past winter, my car slid off the road and into a ditch. While I was waiting for Triple A to arrive, a very kind Amish gentleman invited me into his home so I could get out of the cold. It happened to be during suppertime, and the family (husband, wife, and 8 children) were all around the dinner table. I think the word "community" triggered this memory. It doesn't answer the base question, of course. Should couples feel duty bound to have children? In my opinion - not at all. Every couple SHOULD pray about it, honestly evaluate their own hearts and desires, and go from there. Beyond that, it's no one else's business. Blessings! -Ed I agree, he probably loves all them 8 kids and his wife but it must get overwhelming at times. I figure to each their own. I didnt want kids for the first 10 years with my husband but I'm so thankful I changed my mind cause I'd give up everything for them. In fact I did, I left my career & designation for them. I'm not lost though, I have complete joy in that decision & in my life. Ed the reason I responded to your post was it kinda reminded me of a corb lund video "the truck got stuck". We actually had it happen one time where we got trucks stuck in the same order as the song.

I've now read the thread. Childeye, you remind me of a time earlier in my faith. It was the rebuke of a brother like Steven and then later the truth was ministered by the holy spirit through the word of God and through the rebuke of yet another that I grew in Gods word and came to the realization that the holy spirit is never in opposition to the word of God. I had difficulty reading many of your posts. I would recommend that you do more paragraphs for ease of reading for those like me who are a tad ADD. Another thing I noticed, the compliments that you start your paragraph off to me ring untrue and like you are trying to make the reader more plyable for what you are about to write by complimenting and multiple name use. When you post like this it seems a manipulation attempt... I could be wrong, I was once before but if I'm right just think about that. God calls us to love and sometimes rebuke is included in love but you need to know that the love of another isnt just in word but should come from the heart anything else is seen for what it is. Its hard in a forum such as this to convey feeling. Sitting in a room with you an steven may produce a different perspective than in this forum room. Bless your heart as you fellowship here and grow in Gods word. For we truly know God by his word!

Great thread my dear Steven. I am frankly surprised. I didn't know you could write so passionately. Your sentiments are well thought out, and they all glorify God and not men. Yes God will judge, and He will judge according to our knowledge. You were right to wait to speak, and I hope you forgive me. While I deemed you pure of heart, I thought you were just another student of the bible, afraid to make a stand. I had no business thinking that, and I regret it. Your eloquence in describing your sentiments towards God's Holy Spirit are what I like the best. They are bold and definitive. May God inspire all your thought. so in the 3 weeks you've been here you didnt know this? go figure. I took exception to this as I've only recently (like you) started posting here but know steven to be someone VERY close to the Lord & a wonderful presenter of scripture and edification and passion for the Lord & his brothers & sisters in Christ. I'm curious as to your opinion of the humble unlearned? What of those new to the Lord and not as bold and definitive in their faith, what of the students who are afraid to make a stand because they havent grown in the Lord to the standard that you require... your judgement? this is very very odd indeed and does not exhibit the fruits of the spirit. Seemed condescending to me. ANOTHER Great post Steven.

There is a difference between the rebuke of a brother or sister in Christ and Hate. I've yet to witness hate anywhere in these forums, even in the most heated of debate there is no hate... Righteous anger at times but not hate.

awwwe :-( thats all you got out of all this. sorry to hear that.

I felt no condemnation in this thread.

SDGS, my post was for you. I shared your view before I became a Christian but my regret was immediate. I applaud the man who stands by the corner with his choose life sign. I wish someone would have stopped me and talked to me about options and had readily available resources such as councelling & adoption centres. Not in an angry way, but in a loving way. I realize this thread is not about the right to choose but I wanted SDGS to realize that not having the abortion option does not automatically lead to a back alley. I also wanted her to know my regret not that it'll change her view but maybe.... Nebula, you have given me a gift that I dont have words to express my gratitude.

I had no right to end that babies life and I shouldnt have been given that right. :-(