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Being the view shared by Jehovah's Witness's, Seventh Day Adventists and followers of the teachings of Victor Paul Wierwille (being myself) that the fate of the unsaved is to die and cease to exist while the fate of the saved is eternal life itself. I will give the condensed arguement for my view bellow, chopped out of an anti-hell article I wrote once: " Hell does not exist as we underestand it. It is not a place of eternal torment. How can I make this claim? First, know that in the Old Testament, the word “hell” is translated solely from the Hebrew word, “sheol,” which is also translated as “grave” and “pit” in the King James Version of the Bible. In the book of Genesis, Jacob expects that he will one day die and go to sheol (Genesis 37:35). In fact, in the book of Job, the title character desires to die and go to sheol, specifically to avoid his suffering (Job 14:13). Also know that when the New Testament quotes Hebrew scripture that contains “sheol,” it translates that as the Greek word, “hades,” from which many uses of “hell” in the New Testament are translated (Acts 2:25-28). “Hell” just refers to the state of death. So, what is the fate of the unsaved? What is the “eternal fire” (Jude 1:7)? It is “consuming fire” (Hebrew 12:29). It is eternal death, utter destruction of the body and soul (Matthew 10:28). Consider Psalm 37:18-20: “The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever. They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied. But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.” Consider similarly John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” When God said “perish” as opposed to “have everlasting life,” he actually did say “perish.” He did not say “should not have bad everlasting life, but have good everlasting life.” Any torment would be in the initial process leading to their smoky second death and utter consumption by eternally burning fire (Revelation 14:11). " What's your view on this matter? Am I a heretic? Or onto a biblical truth that has been lost in wide-decimination of false doctrine and mistranslation? I will just say that my arguement against Luke 16 right now is that it is a parable working within the framework of Pharosetic afterlife beliefs and that nowhere else in the bible is the afterlife every mentioned as a place of consciousness. It also mentioned that the dead are asleep John 11:11 and in 1 Corinthians 15 a bunch of times as well as Epesians 5:14 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14. Anyway, the "hell" in Luke 16 would refer to the afterlife for both the good and bad. But yes, I do ascribe to the soul-sleep followed by immortality for the saved and literal second death for the unsecond death beliefs.Doesn't that make more sense? It was realizing that those beliefs were true and biblical that made me accept the word of God in the first place because I could never fathom the idea of hell, and it didn't make sense.

Keep in mind that Jesus was able to raise the dead. The dead can still be miraculously raised today, so if one is a coma, it is not too late. They have not crossed an uncrossable threshold.

You must be referencing the French law against face coverings targeted at Muslims. Yes, it makes it harder to identify people for law-enforcement purposes, but we live in a society of free speech.

"Hell is a place to hold the angels who sinned, to be reserved for judgement. 2 Peter 2:4 4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment." The word from which hell is translated here is a certain Greek word, Tartarus, at no other instance translated into hell in the NT. It is talking about Hell the uttermost parts of the Earth. See Bullinger's Lexicon.

"Hell" is not in Young's Literal Translation of the Bible for those interested in that. Only the original words. The "hell" discussed in Luke 16 for the record is not an actually description of the place of torment but rather a parable of Jesus taking place within the framework of Pharisetic beliefs about the afterlife. In most parts of the bible, they dead are said to be sleeping. 1 Corithians 15:18, John 11:11 Really, "hell" is death, and the fate of the unsaved is eternal death (through initially firy means that then consume), which is eternal seperation from God (2 Thessalions 1:9). The belief in eternal hell, though it may motivate a lot of people to witness, turns a lot of people away from Christianity by how horrible it is. And it turns out it is false.

You always got to keep in mind who is being addressed in any message and the context of that address. This thread contains an excellent analysis of that principal of study. The Epistles are divinely letters, not sweeping statements in the vein of the Old Testament.

The classic example of a false rumor alienating someone from the church community. Too much politics in religion. But so it goes. I shall pray for you, my friend. If everyone were communing properly with the spirit, then proper supernatural knowledge could be attained, and you could be exonerated.

*tsk* *tsk* You should know better. The rules don't ever apply to Muslims, for fear of, *gasp!* "offending" them..... Don't they like need lots of foster parents anyway? The thing is that you can say this about virutally any controversial value. Would obese foster parents overfeed their kids? To be fair, gay foster parents have taken some flack. I say do what's best for the kids.

I wonder if his name begins with a J.

1 Corinthians 12 outlines these very well. Read the King James carefully regarding this. There are 9 spiritual gifts, and they are supernatural powers granted to those who have the Holy Spirit. All Christians are able to manifest them. They are: Speaking in Tongues (the ability to speak in a language you do not know, sometimes Earthen, sometimes celestial- this is extremely cool) Interpretting Tongues (turning that garbled speaking back into a langauge you understand) Wisdom (supernaturally being told what to do in a situation) Knowledge (supernaturally being given information about a situation) Discerning of Spirits (supernaturally telling if someone is a fellow Christian posessing Holy Spirit or if someone is possibly posessed or born of Satan) Healing (self-explanatory) Faith (self-explanatory) Prophecy (like speaking in tongues but initially in a language you understand) Miralces (the "necessary and proper" clause) Believe that you can do them, and you will. Speaking in tongues is a good one to start out. Just start moving your lips and let spirit give you utterance of foreign words. It's possible someone with linguistic background may recognize them if they are Earthen.

Believe and it is praying. Mark 11:23 "For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith."