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No. The second beast with two horns like a lamb is the false prophet. The beast-king that reigns for 42 months is the mortally wounded but healed head king on the first beast, that comes out of the nations (the Gentiles). In Revelation 11:2, the Gentiles tread down Jerusalem 42 months. In Revelation 13:5, the beast king reigns for 42 months.

You have expressed what I maintain exactly right. Two thumbs up for you ! typo you made... 2Thessalonians2:3-4, not 1Thesslaonians2:3-4.

Charlie, try this... compare Ezekiel 39:17-20 to the marriage feast of the Lamb in Revelation 19:17-18. Ezekiel 39: 17And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. 18Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. 19And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Revelation 19: 17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. ----------------------------------------------- Jesus destroys those armies in Revelation 19:21. Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. ----------------------------------------------- Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. In verse 21, Jesus is back on earth. To rule over the nations. Psalms 2 which is about the Armageddon event, verse 1 "Why do the heather rage and image a vain thing?" Then God says... 8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. In Ezekiel 39:21 Jesus inherits the earth and will rule over the nations. ------------------------------- Ezekiel 39:1-16, the latter days, latter years, Gog/Magog event. then the 7 years. Then the Armageddon event in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Then Jesus speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to this earth, and having just passed judgement on the heathen in verses 17-20 for attempting to make war on him.

In Ezekiel 38:8 and Ezekiel 38:16, the text says latter days and latter years for the Gog/Magog event. In Ezekiel 39, after God's judgment that destroys Gog's army, there will be a huge burial site in Israel. There is no such burial site in Israel because Gog/Magog is still future. Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

God does not called Pontis Pilate - my witness in the bible.

Revelation 12 in simple terms... Revelation 12:6 - 1260 days, the woman is fed the word of God by the two witnesses. She is in a spiritual wilderness because she believes the Antichrist is the messiah. Revelation 12:7-9 - Satan is cast down to earth Revelation 12:10 - the woman believes that Jesus is the messiah and embraces the gospel of salvation. Revelation 12:14 -the woman flees into the wilderness to escape the persecution of Satan for his remaining time, times, half time Revelation 12:17 - the Jews who don't flee into the wilderness in time are persecuted by Satan until Jesus returns.

No, I responded to when the Lord's return will be. I did not say when the rapture would be in my response. I am on record for saying that the 7 years begin before the end of the 2030. And Jesus's Return before the end of 2037. The only factor that could alter what I am on record for - is that a generation of 70 years, could be 80 years, based on what it says in Psalms 90 about a generation. ------------------------------------- And yes, I am on record for saying that the 7 years begin before the end of 2030 by act of the Antichrist to confirm Mt. Sinai covenant, on the temple mount. ------------------------------------- As far as the timing of the rapture/resurrection event. I am on record as it being anytime between right this very second and the day when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

The beast-king will be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's Return. Therefore, the 42 months of the beast king's reign will be right before then. ----------------------------- The sequence is... the 1260 days of the two witnesses then the 7th angel sounds them in heaven rejoice because the time for the end of Satan's control over the nations has come. And the time of God's wrath has come as well. Satan cast down to earth in Revelation 12. Having a time/times/half time left. Coinciding with time of God's wrath poured out during the 42 months reign of the beast king. ----------------------------------- in simple terms.... first half - 1260 days of the two witnesses second half - the 7th angel sounds, 4 days into it. the 42 months beast king's reign / time, times, half time Satan's final days. Jesus Returns - beast king and false prophet cast into the lake of fire ; Satan cast into the bottomless pit.

Rome is a city. Roman Empire is an expanse of governance over many lands and nations. The EU is a modern day governance, of the latter days, of the parable of the fig tree generation. Daniel 2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these; Everything you read in the bible cover to cover is about the mystery of God spoken of in Revelation 10: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. What is the mystery of God ? It is God's plan of undoing all the damage to creation done by Satan and his angels. And redeeming mankind, and restoring the earth.

The 7 years comes from these sources: Daniel 9:27 confirmation of the covenant for 7 years. In Deuteronomy 31:9-13, Moses made a requirement for all future leaders of Israel to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle. Ezekiel 39. Gog/Magog, followed by 7 years verse 9, followed by Armageddon verse 17-20, followed by Jesus returned to this earth, speaking in verse 21-29. Revelation 6-19 the timeframes given of 1260 days + 42 months, time/times/half time = 2520 days, i.e. 7 years. The 42 months (beast king rule) and the time/times/haft time (Satan's final days in his kingdom after being cast down to earth) coincide with one another. ------------------------------- What does the fig tree represent? It represents Jerusalem. As Jesus and the disciples were entering Jerusalem the week that Jesus would be crucified, he cursed a fig tree beside the road for having no fruit. And upon coming out of Jerusalem to overnight at the Mt. of Olives, the disciples marveled that the fig tree had withered up and died so quickly. Jerusalem back in the hand of the Jews in 1967. The length of a generation of 70 years comes from Psalms 90:10.

Charlie, what I been consistently writing is Roman Empire, not Rome. The actors of the feet are various European royalty who made alliances with one another, sometimes reinforced by marriages, since the time of the weakening of the Roman Empire. The actors of the toes are the pact of ten kings (leaders) of the EU. Some of the countries of the EU are strong and others are weak. The ten toes do not represent ten countries, but a pact of ten leaders of the EU. That pact has not come together yet. Nor the little horn person made certain his identity.

Before the parable of the fig tree generation passes away. 1967 + 70 = 2037 So sometime before the end of 2037 at the latest. 7 years before 2037, i.e. before the end of 2030, the 7 years will begin at the latest.

In Daniel 7 23Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. So amongst the ten kings, three of them apparently will disagree over some policy and be removed by the little horn person, and subsequently replaced.

The seven vials of God's wrath in Revelation 16 are poured out during the 42 months reign of the beast king. The time/times/half time that Satan will have left after being cast down to earth will coincide with the 42 months reign of the beast king.

The 7th angel sounding his trumpet announces the third woe. The third woe takes place before Jesus returns. ----------------------------------------------- Revelation 8 13And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! 5th trumpet - first woe, revealed in Revelation 9 6th trumpet - second woe, revealed in Revelation 9 7th trumpet - third woe, revealed in Revelation 12 The third woe is the great wrath that Satan will have because being cast down to earth knowing that he only a short time left. The time/times/half time. Revelation 12: 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

verse 41 - the Roman Empire manifested in the end times as the EU.

Diaste, the Diadochi are the four heads on the third beast in Daniel 7. 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

The rider on the white horse given a crown - will be the Antichrist, perceived by the Jews to be the messiah and anointed the King of Isael (the crown given) by the false prophet, who will be perceived to be Elijah. It will begin a false messianic age - with the world saying peace and safety. Before that delusion is shattered when the Antichrist stops the daily sacrifice and commits the abomination of desolation act of going into the temple sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood.

When the 7th angel sounds, it is the beginning of the end for Satan, and his grip over the nations. There will rejoicing in heaven because the time has finally come for Satan's end. When Satan is cast down to earth, he will have a time/times/half time left, which will be concurrent with the 42 months reign of the beast-king. When Jesus returns, the beast-king will be cast into the lake of fire, along with the false prophet. And Satan bound and cast into the bottomless pit.

Marv, if a person applies that rationale, they are not going to be able to correctly put the events of Revelation in order. time/times/half time is "nominally" 3 1/2 years, but not exactly. ----------------------------------------- Do you have a 2x4 piece of lumber around ? If so, take a rule and measure the width and thickness. It will not be 2 inches x 4 inches. It will be 1 1/2 inches x 3 1/2 inches. 2x4's are "nominally" 2inches x 4inches - but not exactly.

Marv, the beginning of the 1260 days of the two witnesses is the same day that the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant to begin the 7 year 70th week. Their 1260 days of testimony time is the first half of the 7 years. Hopefully, I can communicate this clearly. Here goes... Okay, I am going to jump right into Revelation 11 at verse 14. An unlikely verse for the explanation, I know. 14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. You got to know who is talking to understand in verse 14. It is the mighty angel from Revelation 10, who stands on the earth and sea and proclaims that the mystery of God would be finished in the days of the sounding of the 7th angel. That is where Revelation 11 is going - to get to where the 7th angel sounds. Verse 14 in Revelation 11, is the mighty angel interjecting information that the second woe - as associated with the sixth trumpet has already been identified - which is the killing of a third of mankind by the 200,000,000 size army. And now it would soon be known what the third woe will be - because the 7th angel is about to sound his trumpet. So when you are reading Revelation 10, 11, 12 - what it is all about is the mystery of God, that He declared to the prophets, being finished. Hinged on when the 7th trumpet sounds - which will also introduce what the third woe is. Which is Satan cast down to earth having great wrath in Revelation 12:12. 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Satan's short time left at that point is the time/times/half time. So the 1260 days of the two witnesses, which are before the 7th angel sounds in Revelation 11:15, makes up the first half of the seven years.

Keras, the time/times/half time is close to 3 1/2 years, but not exactly. I open a thread called "time passes during the 7 years" - that explains the difference.

Hopefully, the opening post explains why we have three time expressions in Revelation. 1260 days 42 months (1256 days) time/times/half time (a little less than 1256 days)

Revelation chapters 6-19 content is about events that will take place in the 7 year 70th week. Let us begin... --------------------------------------------- In Revelation 11:3 time passes - the two witnesses testimony time is 1260 days. Exactly half of a 2520 day 7 years. The first half of the 7 years. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then moving into the second half, in Revelation 11:7-13 time passes - the two witnesses are killed and the bodies lay dead for 3 1/2 days before coming back to life and ascending to heaven. That same hour an earthquake hits Jerusalem, and 7,000 die. Then the 7th angel sounds. So all together, I think we can say 4 days. Then in Revelation 12:7-9 time passes - when the 7th angel sounds, that signals Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth from the second heaven. The amount of time for the war is not stated. Then in Revelation 12:14 - time passes - the woman given refuge in the wilderness, as Satan's little time left to persecute her is a time, times, a half time. In Revelation 11:2, time passes - Jerusalem is trodden down by the gentiles 42 months. In Revelation 13:5 time passes - the beast king rules for 42 months. ---------------------------------------------------- So what we have is... First half 1260 days - the two witnesses Second half first, 4 days - for the two witnesses called up to heaven/the earthquake/the 7th angel sounding. Leaving 1256 days left in the 7 years. then, unstated time - for the war in the second heaven between Michael/his angels against Satan/his angels then, time/times/half time - that Satan will have left other activity in the Second half... 42 months (1256 days) of the beast king's rule, unhampered by the departed two witnesses. Concurrent with the 42 months (1256 days) of the gentiles treading down Jerusalem.