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I can't say I disagree, events are falling into place rather quickly? Add to that China pushing the eastern front, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South China Sea, building islands for military bases in the midst of nowhere? World control over Covid, with a US president that's basically brain dead and on life support? It's my opinion that things are looking ripe for the walk on Messiah in Jerusalem, AKA (The Antichrist) how long will it be until Jerusalem is surrounded by the armies, and he's revealed in the name of peace?

Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the scriptural fact that the Church will be present on earth to witness the second coming of Jesus Christ as Luke 21:25-28 teaches below In Love, Jesus Is The Lord The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no pre-trib rapture as dispensationalism falsely teaches Luke 21:25-28KJV 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no pre-trib rapture as dispensationalism falsely teaches Luke 21:25-28KJV 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Thanks for the response Selah I believe the Remnant represents the 144,000 that will be sealed by the Holy Spirit, in a geographical location in and around Israel to preach the Gospel during the tribulation Revelation 14:1-7, Roman's chapter 11 clearly describes this future remnant elect, that will be saved and added to the Church Yes I also believe the sealed church on earth will be divinely protected during the tribulation as seen below There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses) The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30 Ephesians 1:13KJV 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 4:30KJV 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected Revelation 9:3-6KJV 3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. 5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt Revelation 11:3-6KJV 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. Revelation 16:1-11KJV 1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. 3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. 6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. 8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. 10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Charlie your claim that God the Holy Spirit won't dwell within the believer until the resurrection is against the very foundations of biblical orthodoxy Are you Mormon, 7th Day Adventist, or Jehovahs Witness if I may ask? Romans 8:8-11KJV 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The Name Game In Semantics Just as (Trinity) isn't found in the scripture, but we know well it represents the Father, Son, Holy Spirit Just like the word (Rapture) isnt found in the scripture, but we know well it represents the catching up of believers Just as the words (The Antichrist) arent found in the scripture, but it Describes The Three Below Yes there is a future bad guy, that is referred to as (The Antichrist) all the very same future human man seen below Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast)

Charlie Messiah the Prince is explaining nothing more than who the Jews are building to, the true Messiah as seen in the Old Testament, Messiah is cut off when the armies surround Jerusalem in the "Future" and the building to Messiah is stopped/cutoff Charlie I'm fully aware you take a preterist 70AD interpretation on fulfillment, I disagree as the bad guy will be present on earth until the "Future" consummation (The End) Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained? Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days. If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four hundred and ninety years) Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below. Daniel 6:1KJV It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom; Daniel 8:14KJV And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Daniel 12:11KJV And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days. Daniel 10:2-3KJV 2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see (70 Literal Future Weeks) or 490 days. When the (Future) call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period. 62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off as Armies surrounding Jerusalem, who stop the building. The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth. The 3.5 year tribulation now starts. Daniel 9:24-27KJV 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

We disagree, the bad guy seen in Daniel 9:27 will be present on earth causing desolation up to the "Consummation" or ultimate end, Charlie you disregard this fact "Why"? Your Preterist interpretation in 70AD fulfillment is silenced in this simple fact alone Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

No Charlie the "he" in Daniel 9:27 isnt Jesus Christ as you have stated previously, Jesus dosent make abomination and desolation I respectfully disagree, this figure is the (Little Horn) The Beast This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled Merriam-Webster Definition of consummation 1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage 2: the ultimate end Daniel 9:27KJV 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Revelation 7:1KJV And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Scripture clearly teaches that the woman/remnant as seen below will be in the wilderness of Carmel, Bashan, Gilead (Carmel) in Israel is northwest of Jerusalem 88 miles (Bashan) and (Gilead) in Jordan are roughly northeast of Jerusalem 60 miles Petra Jordan is roughly 125 miles south of the closest wilderness mentioned, that being Bashan and Gilead Petra dosen't fit the bill for the wilderness of refuge, not even close to those mentioned above Would God lead the Remnant to Petra, a historical place of evil, as the Nabateans place of worshipping pagan gods and sacrifice? Micah 7:13-18KJV 13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings. 14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old. 15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things. 16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf. 17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee. 18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

Not one word below states Old Testament saints were taken to heaven with Jesus as you claimed Hebrews 12:22-23KJV 22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Not one word in the scripture below, states Jesus took Old Testament saints to heaven Ephesians 4:8KJV 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

We disagree, the bad guy seen in Daniel chapters 7,8,9,11 are all the same bad guy, same as Paul's (man of sin), and John's (the beast), same guy, different names

I disagree, Matthew chapter 24 & Luke chapter 21 are talking about future events unfulfilled There will be one future resurrection of all, and catching up of believers, this takes place at the future second coming of Jesus Christ, immediately after the tribulation

Thanks for your time D Jesus Is The Lord

I believe preterism's 70AD fulfillment is a teaching in error "Future" events unfulfilled below Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation Matthew 24:21 Great Tribulation Matthew 24:29-31 Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained? Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days. If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written (Four hundred and ninety years) Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below. Daniel 6:1KJV It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom; Daniel 8:14KJV And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Daniel 12:11KJV And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days. Daniel 10:2-3KJV 2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see (70 Literal Future Weeks) or 490 days. When the (Future) call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period. 62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off as Armies surrounding Jerusalem, who stop the building. The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth. The 3.5 year tribulation now starts. Daniel 9:24-27KJV 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Revelation 12:1-5 is nothing more than a repeat telling of what had happened, satan waiting to devour the manchild is history, as King Herod moved to seek and kill Jesus in inquiring of the wise men As stated satan "Was" cast out of heaven long ago as Jesus clearly stated in Luke 10:17

You asked for my thoughts, and I responded with my thoughts Jesus Is The Lord

It's my opinion your reading into scripture things not seen Nothing states Jesus took Moses anyplace, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord Are you 7th Day Adventist or Jehovahs Witness?

Moses "Died" physically as scripture clearly states "When He Died" Deuteronomy 34:7KJV 7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

I disagree Jesus is speaking to the Church, those persecuted for his name, those that are filled with the Holy Spirit, having a mouth that the Spirit will give (The Church) Luke 21:12-15KJV 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

I believe we are in the Apostasy, the love of many has grown cold, wars and rumors of wars I believe the next solid sign will be when a command goes out to rebuild the areas surrounding the temple mount, the wall/street, this will start the future literal 70 weeks of Daniel, 7 weeks preparation 62 weeks building, in the 70th week Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies, I believe "Muslim" in stopping the building near their mosque on the temple mount, at this time Jew/Hebrew Antichrist will be revealed bringing peace and proclaiming to be Messiah returned the 3.5 year tribulation starts At this time two literal prophets will be revealed (Two Witnesses) Revelation 11, bringing plagues upon a literal human man (The Antichrist) and world for 1260 days or 3.5 years, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt In the final week of earth's existence, the Two Witnesses will be killed in Jerusalem, dead bodies literally lay in the street, a literal world celebrates their death, they will be called to heaven before a world watching, as the final hours of earth's existence unfolds in the 3 woes The world armies will be gathered to Israel/Megiddo at this time, drawn by devils in deception Jesus Christ returns to the final battle, the resurrection and final judgement takes place in fire that dissolves the earth (The End) Eternity as the New Heaven, Eaeth, Jerusalem, are revealed

Satan was cast to this earth long ago, as Jesus states below He was at the temptation of Job upon earth, and he tempted the Lord for 40 days and nights upon earth Luke 10:18KJV 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.