Anne

With regards to point 4, as you know I have already agreed with this, and expressed why i believe this to be true. If you could give me an example of point 5 dood, i'd be better placed to comment, but the truth is not everyone who says they are doing something in the name of God is of God. But again this does not come from God.

I've read through all these post and this sticks out the most............ You deserve an award joie!

Summer, God Bless you, But I want you to understand this, that no matter what I or anyone else says, no matter how plausible it seems, if what we say does not measure up with the Holy Scripture, then we are wrong. Also summer, the concordance is just my lazy streak, you don't need a concordance to understand or see the Bible, just read and think and contemplate. God Bless you and thank you for your kind words. Anne

smiles, we've known each other for a while, not long, but a while nonetheless, trust me on this, read the thread. Do not make an assumption, trust me your heart will be touched. God Bless you Smiles Your Sister in Christ Jesus Anne

Definatly. And I know who's behind it. It's the duc--- I mean... lets not get this topic moved. Would love to comment! However, i'm afraid if we get involved the topic would indeed get moved!

Do you think its a conspiracy?

If we are being honest with each other, everything in this world, is based upon religion of one sort or another, every religion claims to be the way either to a god, whom they claim is thee god, or to what is referred to as the way to "true enlightenment". You have, to mention but a few.......Bhuddism, muslims, atheism, catholicism, protestantism, the list goes on and on, doesn't it dood? And within each of these, yes, we do have "extremism" or "cults", whichever way you view it, this again I do not disagree with you on. And all done in the name of religion! But i'm not talking about religion, or getting to know a god, or the multitude of peoples opinions out there that there unfortunately is. I want to know about God, God who created all things, what He wants, what can I do for Him to recompense for what i've done wrong. I'll be honest, i'm not interested in who man tells me who God is, I can find out from the Bible, I can find out from the big man himself. But then that is easy for me to say, because I do, believe that the Bible, is inspired and blessed by God. I guess it is a matter of seeing the path through the multitude of trees. I can't really comment on the Heaven's Gate cult, I don't know enough about it, but yes there are many like that, and it is truly sad. Now, yes, many christians (i'm talking about Bible believers who are under the blood of Jesus Christ) use scare tactics, whether deliberately or not, they are used, someone I used to know referred to it as "scaring people out of hell and into Heaven," I don't remember anyone having used that tactic on me though. In fact I'm not sure exactly what happened to prompt me to get saved, I can't even recollect the message the preacher was speaking about, i'm not even sure why i ended up in the church that day, I can remember that I reached out to the preachers hand,.......bit embarassed to admit it, but i couldn't stop crying........and I refused to let go of his hand and demanded, because i knew he could, for his help. To this day, if you asked me to explain, i don't think I could. I wasn't a person given to that type of reaction, okay, I might be now, but not then. Work took me here there and everywhere, and due to one thing and another, I lost touch with the Bible and with God, and it was a kind act by a teenager,......a kid........that led me to converse with a lady called suszanne (aka tsth) and I will never forget her, and will be eternally thankful, because she picked me up and pointed me back in the direction i had initially intended to walk. To be honest dood, I don't react well to extremists myself. i tend to turn around and walk away and disregard what has been said, irrelevant whether what has been said is the truth or not. It's that stubborn streak in me i think.......... Yes all religion has it extremists, and sadly christianity has those also, but these are man's ways, through either the motivation to obtain wealth or the motivation to obtain power and self importance, or a motivation to be heard above all others and to be perceived as most knowledgable in whatever discussion is ensuing. But these are not God's ways, not my God that I read about in my Bible, these are not His ways. From my point of view, I've hurt God's heart, not just by the sins in Eden, but in my very own life,............and I need Him to know that i'm sorry, I'm tired of this world, I'm tired of the horrors in it, and I'm tired how others feel the need to hurt others...........these things are wrong and they are not of God, I know that, and that is what my Bible tells me. That is the God I love. I can't tell you much about extremism dood, i'm sorry, I know little of it, I only know that the God of the Bible is real and that I love Him, and when I look out to the world around me, gee, what a world, and I don't mean that in a nice way! Don't get me wrong, dood, i'm not in despair, and I think that is what drives some, not all, to one form of extremism or another, or indeed to the borders of insanity, which in my opinion is a form of extremism itself. i'm in hope, lol...........i know it doesn't sound like it.......but, really, i am. I guess I read the Bible with different eyes now. I so, so wish that people would stop looking at the world and thinking "God" He's responsible for all this! Because He's not, we are, I am..... I'll leave it at that dood, sorry for the long posts today, sometimes i just don't know when to stop! All please feel free to join in, I think that most are getting the impression of how we want this thread to continue, please respect the others who have already joined in this thread and remind yourself that they have feelings too! God Bless

MEANWHILE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN............. Lost my train of thought there for a moment, couldn't get that stupid neighbours tune out of my head! Okay, what did God actually command Adam? "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the TREE of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." And what was it that the serpent said to the first woman? " Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" And the woman said unto the serpent, "We may eat of the trees of the fruit of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said 'Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." And the serpent said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely die (This was calling God a liar): For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Here we get insight into what the first woman was thinking!) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, a tree to be desired to make one wise, SHE TOOK of the fruit thereof, and DID EAT.................... Of course you know the scene does not end there dood, but I think this is sufficent to examine the following three points: 1. What did God say? 2. What did the serpent imply? 3. What on earth was the first woman thinking? Now the first thing I noticed, was the Commandment was given directly to Adam by God, not to the first woman, and the temptation by the serpent was presented to the first woman. I'm wondering why the serpent went directly to the first woman and tempted her, and not to Adam! Speaking from a my point of thought, I suspect that if you want to break a chain, you hit the weakest point. ( looking around for flying objects coming my way ) So on to answering those point I mentioned above:- 1. God said, to Adam, (my interpretation folks, NOT Gods' actual words) don't eat of the tree of the understanding of how to do good by evil means, or, by eating of this tree you will attempt to achieve that which is good by evil means, this is deception, and is wrong, it will enter your hearts and change your hearts. (Does that make sense? I can explain it better if anyone wants me to). *OBSERVATION NOTE* Right here, dood, shows us that Adam knew that it was wrong to eat of the tree, and the first woman would have later known it too, she even admits to knowing this, so it is right to conclude that both Adam and the first woman knew the difference between that which was right and that which was wrong, or more correctly to say, they knew that it was right to follow Gods commandment and not eat of the tree, and that it was wrong to disobey Gods commandment and eat of the tree. 2. The serpent, outright called God a liar, there was no implication here, something which should have alerted the first woman that there was something not quite right with this serpent chap, he had a bit of a screw missing! (but again, we have the benefit of hindsight), afterall God had never led them wrong before, so why would she have had any reason to distrust God. I suppose also, in her innocence, she may have believed, as the devil, then called Lucifer, was also a created being by God she had no reason to believe that he would do her any harm either. Just a thought, not a conclusion folks! Understand that although I am saying that Adam and the first woman knew the difference between the doing of right and wrong, I am not saying it had entered into their hearts to do that which was wrong! No, indeed, I strongly believe the doing of wrong had never ever entered their hearts at this stage. The serpent then goes on to imply, that God is somehow afraid that once she (that is first woman) eats of the tree that she will be just a good as God in power and all knowledge. There is an implication that God didn't want the competition! The serpent then goes one step further, and implys that it would be good for her to have this knowledge, that it would somehow make her a better person. That it would make her as wise as God! Therefore how could that be a bad thing? *OBSERVATION NOTES* With regards to "your eyes shall be opened," I think this is a spiritual opening and a phyiscal opening of the eyes (lol....... I don't mean everyone was walking around with their eyes closed folks! prior to this) I think is was a perspective change, a changing of a point of view, a seeing of things differently to what they had previously done. 3. So baring this all in mind, why did the woman then eat the fruit? Maybe she thought that God was with holding something good from her, maybe she thought God had made an error in not allowing them to eat the fruit. I do not know, but certainly she would not have understood deceit, for this knowledge was not in her heart to understand. The first woman, appears to have eaten the fruit, because when she actually looked at it and considered it, such a beautiful fruit, must be very tastey, surely such a thing, such a beautiful thing, made by God Himself, could do no harm? For if what the serpent was saying was true, then she would be wiser and therefore a better person, because of the knowledge gained from this fruit! Alas, this was not the case, for upon eating the fruit "her eyes were open" and in her heart she understood evil and good, and was given the ability to do evil or good, it was now her choice........it had entered her heart the feelings of saddness, misery, deceit, etc and she now had the knowledge how to achieve these, oh Lord God, she must have thought, what have I done? She had listened to the serpent, she had committed the very first sin, disobeying Gods' command to man, she made a mistake an error of judgement, she trusted the serpent to bring her no ill. And as we know, from the Bible, Adam also ate of the fruit of the tree which she gave to him, and here Adam made a decision, for he would have seen, I think it likely, the saddness in his wifes eyes about what she had just done, and he ate also, I suspect knowingly and deliberately disobeying Gods command to man. *OBSERVATION NOTES* The first woman committed the first sin by mistake, Adam, committed sin knowingly and deliberately. His possible motivation for this may have been, because he did not want to be seperated from someone he had come to love. So dood, i must conclude, that Eve(the first woman) and Adam, knowingly disobeyed Gods command and ate the fruit. First Eve, by her misplaced trust in the serpent, and then Adam by his not wishing to be parted from Eve. Either way, they most certainly knew how to do right and wrong, but it had not entered into their hearts to do that which was wrong. They did sin intentionally, whether by mistake or knowingly, and that was why they were held accountable for sin. Does this make sense? Not asking for agreement on my conclusion dood, if you want me to explain further.............. God Bless you dood, now i'm going to study example 3 which you placed on your first post.

Right here's hoping everything goes okay now, otherwise, people might learn that computers do fly on the odd occasion, but only when sufficiently motivated to do so! Firstly, i want to apologise for not getting back to you right away, but I had my first day off work in a while, so i'm afraid i took full advantage of it. Secondly, for those who have asked if they can join in, i have no objections, on the understanding that it is also okay with dood, and that you agree to refrain from posting anything that is hurtful or otherwise might be considered abusive. The purpose of this thread is not to score points, but to understand and in turn learn. So by all means, if you can abide by that, please join in. But for the time being, please understand that i will be concentrating on doods points which he has put to me. Now where was I before ? I have been thinking about a question or rather a point you made in your previous reply:- You made an observation that "Adam and Eve did not sin intentionally but did it unknowingly, so how can a person be held accountable for sin if they did it unknowingly?" I think that was the jist of what you were saying, did I get it right? Okay, I understand that you have no wish to get into a.............what was it you called it,..........a scripture throwing festival I'll try to be as kind to you as i can, but when we are speaking about the Bible and the people therein, then my only point of reference is the Bible and thus I must apply the "Best evidence rule" to this point which you have made, but I promise I will keep it to a minimum...........honestly Okay, let me just collect my thoughts,.........we read of the Creation Account in Genesis chapter 1 and concluding in Genesis chapter 2, but it is not until chapter 3, that things start to go wrong for the Adam and the first woman. At this point, the first woman is in the Garden of Eden and from what I understand the implication is that she was alone, Adam was off somewhere else, possibly in the garden.........typical man, where is he when you need him ......just a joke folks! Let me just read the first five verses of Genesis chapter 3 again,.............okay, this is the first time, as far as i recollect, that the serpent (devil), is mentioned and a conversation ensuing between him and the first woman.........Now there's an interesting bit here dood, which is relevant to your point, but i'll just quote these few words, so don't panic! It's the concluding few words of verse five:- "and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Bare with me, before my computer crashed this was the stage I was thinking about.....this knowledge, I suspect, was unique to the angels and God himself, so I'm just going to get out the old concordance to see if I can try and understand its implication here. Now this is interesting, my fellow scholars here will correct me if i am wrong ..........but I see that this is the only point where this type of knowledge is mentioned, mmmm I wonder..............just a sec dood, let me think this through..................okay, let me try and explain this correctly, this knowledge spoken of here, is not the same knowledge of, or understanding of what is right and wrong. That is to say that I believe, at this stage,that Adam and the first woman would have known the difference between that which was right and that which was wrong, for example, I think it would be correct of me to say that Adam and the first woman would have understood that it was right to obey God, and wrong to disobey God, so to say that they had unknowingly committed this sin, I think is incorrect. But nothing I've said so far, proves me right, this is only my impression. So bare with me again..........I think this might take a while can you tell?............The knowledge that the serpent tempted the first woman with, was an entering into the heart of an understanding, a knowledge of how to do something which appears good but by all accounts is achieved by deceptive means, but the outcome of which is evil, understand that the first woman may not have known this, but certainly the serpent would have, remember we are speaking with the benefit of hindsight, does that make sense??? I'll try to clarify, let me look at the good and evil spoken of in this verse...........LOL, i need more space on this desk, there's not enough room for these notes !!!!! I've found something rather interesting, so I'm going to go back to the first time the tree of knowledge of good and evil is ever mentioned. You're probably wondering "Why on earth is Anne, telling me all this?" I was wondering it too, but I think it best so you understand where i'm coming from and why I conclude the things I do! Time for another coffee I think! (okay so you didn't really need to know that ) The tree of knowledge of good and evil is first mentioned in Genesis Chapter... my goodness, where did I put my Bible, it's here somewhere.........Genesis Chapter 2 verse 9 together with the tree of life and the tree of knowledge is then later mentioned in verse 17. Now most people think this tree was not an actually tree, just symbolic of sin.........lol, don't worry i'm not going to go into that......suffice it to say it was an actual tree and as real as the trees we see growing around us to day, now the first Commandment of God to man was "see that there tree there, don't eat the fruit from it, nay don't even touch it, is not good for you, it'll kill you!" Okay so those weren't His actual words but, you see what I mean. The observation is made here, that they were not commanded not to eat of the tree of Life, which is significant, but may not be relevant at this stage. But i am happy to discuss it if you wish. Now bearing in mind here that Adam and later the first woman, would have been well aware of this commandment, so I would be correct in concluding that they would have known it was against God's will for them to have either touched it or eaten of it, now God didn't just leave that commandment up in the air, that is to say, He told them not to eat it and He told them why, that they would die, not drop dead instantly you understand, but they would begin to die, continue to die, and eventually die, am I making sense to everyone???? But I have a side thought on why death would not have been instantenous (yeah probably didn't spell that right, i know, you can all stop laughing any time now ) I suspect that when Adam and the first woman ate off the tree of knowledge that they were disallowed access to the tree of life. But again that is a side issue, back to the topic in hand I think! So what is this good and evil then, if it is not the knowing of the different between that which is right and that which is wrong? The first mentioning of the good and evil (the tree folks) by God is the same good and evil with which the serpent tempted the first woman. Check it out if you have concordance, I have strongs concordance the reference numbers are 2896 (good) and 7451 (evil), and you will see that the good and evil mentioned are the same good and evil that the serpent tempted with. So why on earth, did the first woman fall for it? I think there must be a deception somewhere, but understand not on the behalf of God, let's look at that................I think it is best to look at what God actually said and then what the serpent "implied"! Folks i'm just going to post this, and then continue, i don't want to lose this again and have to retype, try not to reply to any points i've made until i've shown you my conclusion. CONTINUED ON NEXT POST (oooooohhh, it's like an episode of neighbours )

Quick note for you dood, I had just about finish my reply to you, when my computer system went down!!! ....so bare with me, i have to type it all out again..........i can tell this is going to be one of those days........

Then where do the bones come from, why do they date to the ages they do, and why do they form humanoid figures? More importantly though, I would have thought that the church, whatever its views, would have no right to pressure a museum in this way. They might as well start a campaign to have all dinosaur bones and fossils removed from other musuems, to close down anthopology classes at universities, and to ban all books which make mention of non-Christian theories or ideologies, scientific or otherwise. Obviously they can campaign and say they don't believe it's true, but going the step further to enforce this belief seems somewhat totalitarian. I'm not here to argue with you, or to prove or score points in a debate, if you want to know what I believe please read the Bible. It will say it better than I can.

This may be the wrong answer ted, but i can't actually think of any. But I haven't read the whole Bible.

Dood, I've just come from a Bible study which bares some relevance on this thread, give me time to digest, and I'll get back to you on this and on the "debate" about the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which we are not having If you feel moved by the Holy Spirit to witness then you will be guided by His words, not yours. You don't always have to take scripture from the bible to witness but your own experience that brought you to God. You cannot expect that every person you witness to will come to Jesus. Just be an example of His love. Others notice when there is something different about you and begin to ask questions. Thank you Cjrose

Just repeating the question at the bottom of your post........Why on earth have I never heard about this, what is the entire media world doing?

He is protecting his people, by showing his opposition to this, i think he has every right to. Being as man never came from monkeys or any other common ancestor such as the like. Yes I think he is correct in fighting against this.

Tah, you're blog is great! check out mine, i don't even know how to post a picture, oh yeah, void of all pics

Let me quickly reply to what you said earlier in your previous post, thinking back to school....., oh dear do you know I can't recollect much of Bible teachings in primary school, but I remember two sunday school teachers who taught us, and as children, yes we all would have had the same conclusion too, or similar, I think as children we are more open to accepting things as we see it, but as adults and in my opinion you will even see this begin to develop in early teenage years, self becomes more important, for example, My opinion will become important because I will begin to realise that I have a right to have an opinion. Self fulling needs, I want to have a great job and buy a huge house, own a sports car, materialism. The list goes on and on, lol....... if I write them all out, then I will never work, and I will most certainly get fired, and I will never get that huge house and sports car! But do you see what I mean, the older we get the more mature we become,..... don't read the fellowship section or you might come to doubt that i'm a mature adult .....when as children we are more likely to accept God and His Word at face value, which of course is the correct way to read the Bible. As adults we are more likely to scrutinise what's on the lines, what's between the lines, etc. We are constantly questioning and questioning, debating, examining and manipulating, to suit our own minds. Whereas, the majority of children, when they are told, "And God created the heaven and earth," the first words out of their mouth is "Wow........(you can see their minds ticking over).........Why?" They mainly accept it as it is written. Those people who are desperately trying to save others, whilst sacrificing themselves, what a burden they must have on their hearts, a burden which is so heavy it could almost drive them to the borders of insanity. I don't really know what to say, this is a sad truth that I do not fully understand. But I would also point out to you that "Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." We must love God, of course, but what is this love if not coupled with fear (i'm not talking about terror here), we are also reminded "do not fear him that is able to destroy the body rather Him that is able to destroy the soul", so I think there is good fear and bad fear. But again the desparation of some people, honest christian, who throw everything away just to tell one person about Jesus, well that just shows you what a heavy burden has been placed upon their heart, how important you are to them. LOL doth I see a debate from the distance? In the beginning, God commanded man not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it was not God's command for Eve and Adam to listen to the devil, however, it is in God's nature to trust, to do what a lot of parents do, give us a chance.........the benefit of doubt, so to speak. We didn't have to listen to the devil, we could have told him to go take a long walk of a short peir, but we saw something that was good to look at and looked as if it would taste absolutely delicious, what harm would it do to take just a little? So of makes me think of my grandmothers cooking Sure looks good, smells good, but you just take a bite and you'll find out the truth!!!!! Anyway, on to point 2, otherwise I could be waffling all night! Yes, i've notice, all different version of religion out there! Which all speak of a god. And again, it does not make sense, i mean why would God allow so many different religions to exsist, if He wants everyone to know about Him? I would suggest, that this is our freewill, to choose, manmade religion or God? But how do we decide what is the truth, how do we know we are walking the right path? Now i'm not educated in world religions, but I'll give you my honest opinion. Are you ready, you can start rolling the eyes just about now........ ..........The only God, is the living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, (God of the Old Testament era) who sent His Son, (God become flesh and walked among us) to die on the cross, this was written down in the Holy Scriptures (God the Holy Spirit) so that we the future generations might know Him. I know this in my head, and I feel it in my heart. My head tells me that when I look around and see the history of our lands, that God himself is recorded in the very ground, I read the Bible and although the facts in it seem somewhat amazing, they all add up............but before this knowledge ever reaches my head I feel it in my heart. But I must have that head knowledge with my heart. One without the other is, well, dare I say, empty. What is it that song says, "To know Him, is to love Him." Head and heart knowledge of God go hand in hand, if we react solely with the heart, we are likely to react in an inappropriate manner or blow things out of proportion, or change things, because we don't understand. If I have head knowledge, but do not feel God in my heart, what use am I to God?? I'm just like, well this computer, information with no feeling cause or reasoning. Am I getting off track...........I think I am. Just a sec Aha, I remember the point now! Now, why indeed would God allow so many different versions of the Bible, if Christianity is indeed the true religion, if God really did die on the cross and the path, through Jesus, that many christians follow is the only path why allow so many different interpretations of the Bible? Doesn't He want everyone to know the true Him in it's purest form. I suspect He does, however, yet again we all think we know much better, and because our minds do not understand, we keep watering it down, in order to make it more digestable, and pretty soon we are going to be left with different versions of different versions of the truth, and we will find ourselves on very dodgey ground...........now I know some of you will have something to say about that! if you do, please email or PM, I would appreciate this thread staying clear of debates!! I want to get as close to God of the old testament, as close to Jesus, as close to the Holy Spirit as I am permitted, and I can do that by reading the Bible, by increasing my knowledge and opening my heart. And the version of the Bible I chose, will influence the way that is achieved, believe me if I could read and understand the Hebrew language and Greek, that is the form within which I would choose to study, alas lol, God put me on an island and ordained that I should speak english . Q. Why would a good Lord give us different bibles based on race? Ans. He didn't. We did that, and we aught to know better, don't you think? After all, we've been told enough times. Again dood, these are my failings which you have pointed out, not Gods. Here now, look at that, i've talk meself through two hours of typing, and haven't said half of what I wanted to discuss. Thanks dood, i'm glad we've got this talk going, so far i've learnt that i'm a debating, interferring busy body who aught to know better....... ..........it does no harm to examine myself once in a while!!!! My advice to anyone who is reading, allow the Holy Spirit to unite your knowledge with your heart. God Bless you all, Anne

Example1: The bible itself is extremely hard to understand. You can see it right here on worthhyboards one person makes a post and then 10 posts follow giving a different story for the same piece of scripture. Right there to me says inaccuracy. Because the views are taken to the extreme in some of the cases. So the bible is not clear on what it is talking about. If it was. There wouldn't be so much controversy. Okay, can I go through this example by example, being as I really haven't got as much energy as apothanein does and since I just got home from working a night shift. Well I would agree that some writings in the Bible are extremely hard to understand, but just because somethings hard, does it mean we should give up trying to understand it? The differing opinions are unfortunate, however, this simply shows the faults of man, rather than any faults you believe may be in the Bible, the inaccuracy is with us, not with the Bible. lol........alot of the times, we do express our opinions with too much zeal, as if we know it all, i'm guilty of that too, but again this shows our faults not the Bibles'. Well the Bible is very clear on what it is talking about, some of us are just to stubborn, dumb or celf centred to listen. I often think if we were more like young Samuel of the Old testament, saying, "Speak Lord for thy servant heareth," rather than Bart Simpson, saying, "Hey dude, what's up, here's what I think dude!" we would be much more united as a people under God. You see, what i'm trying to say is the Bible is very, very, clear, we're just not listening, we've stuck our fingers in our ears and are going about our own merry way, (and before y'all start shouting at me, I include myself in this analogy). Have you forgotten, man fell from God's grace in the Garden of Eden, we disobeyed the very first commandment He gave us, therefore we are broken, we have many many faults, and unfortunately heated debates is one of them, if we weren't broken broken we would be perfect and still running round the gooseberry bush in Eden, but we too have fallen from grace. What you've pointed out here, to me, is not incorrect, I agree with you, but you've merely pointed out the faults of man, you've merely shown me my very own short comings. So I must conclude that this does not prove that God, or His Word, has any inaccuracys' whatsoever. Surely you agree with this? Following some of my own advice, i'm going to take some time before going on to the next example, and keeping my fingers crossed that a row does not erupt in the meantime. Please guys, let me talk with dood, i want to understand this Your Sister in Christ Jesus Anne

Let me think how best to answer these and i'll get back to you dood. Thanks for replying

Anne I am one of those very people you speak about. But you as a church member would never know it unless I admit it as I do right now. I've made many posts on here that address and deal and just gets involved in and with the christian community right here on worthy. I have no negative motives for being here. I do have a non-christian motive that is positive for being here that is more/less personal reasoning. I get involved in the scripture to a certain degree also I do believe in god, probably not the same way but similur to most people do. Yet I do not believe in the bible accuracy at all. Although when asked I will say if you wish to preach. Try to just preach the good, because good will bring about good. I don't denouce the bible although I don't agree with it either. If you wish to attempt to witness myself. By all means I'm for it. Fight fair and be factual or if unable to be factual lead by evidence or example and I'm game No fighting here, please, or i'll bring in the penguins and have this thread moved! Seriously though, why do you believe the Bible to be just a collection of historical books? Why do you believe it is not accurate? I'm interested that as someone who goes to church that you do not believe the accuracy of the Bible? Let's discuss this peaceably , please.

How do you witness to someone who believes the Bible is just a collection of historical records? That it is just another symbol of religion, like the cruifix or a Buddha, and that it bears no weight on where we go after death?

Stevie, I'm real glad to hear you have decided to tell your husband

We've got a whole menu going here today guys, main course is "Pinch Lobster" with a drizzling of garlic butter followed by the limited edition "Lamint" range of chocolates,............mmmmm now I just have to find the starter course. I've already employed that guy that got fired as the sweet chef, so that positions closed. Everyone's welcome to "Le Annes" for dinner

We could market them as the limited edition "Lamint" range............well some of them.............the rest i'm have with a hot chocolate

I've been telling you guys for two years now, that the squirrels in your part of the world are crazy