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Hello Jasoncrane, interesting about not knowing the day or hour of the Lord’s coming. I’ve talked to timfrompa before and he has a lot of understanding.

How many of you have tried the numbers to see what a seven is? I never could get the numbers to come out right. The first thing I thought was a seven was a Jubilee but that don’t work. I haven’t tried this, but could a seven mean a generation? (70 years) Dan 9:25 says "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. So 69 weeks gets us to when the Messiah arrives or gets here (about the year 1, maybe a little before). Then after the 69 (after 69 is 70) He makes a covenant. Then In the middle of the seven (about 35 years old) He is cut off ( Killed) Then it talks about the Sanctuary (Temple) being destroyed. (70AD) A whole generation. 26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

Floatingaxe, Are you redeemed? If you are you are of Israel. Only Israel are the firstfruits to be redeemed Rev 7 and Rev 14. If you are a gentile you will go through the tribulation, Rev 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, Rev 7:13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?" Rev 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Who told you, that you were not of Israel? Without seeing you I would bet a nickel you are of Joseph or Rubin. Descendants of Israel number as the sand of the seashore. I am of Israel, I live in the land of Ephraim, and you are right, I will not be raptured. I have to stay here. But I have not rejected my God.

Hey Floatingaxe, I am sorry, I could have used kinder words. I also don’t mean to be openly pretty, or openly goofy, although some women do stare at me and giggle. I will Quote Montana Marv for your answer "Jacob's Trouble", Remember that Jacob is Israel

Hey Montana Marv, I see you can count to three, or understand what I was saying. Some people don’t even think about it. Sorry about getting a little of the subject, but I think all the bible is all tied together. These people in Rev 3 are the church in Philadelphia They are the same ones Rev 7 and Rev 14 that have been given the Father’s name. They don’t have to go anywhere, when they are given the Father’s name they are protected from the evil one (Satan) (John 17:15) They have to be here during the tribulation to take care of God’s household, they are the firstfruits, sealed during the opening of the 6th seal, just before the start of the Great Tribulation. These are all from Israel (Rev 7) If you are not of Israel, what are you? Rev 3:10 "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. Rev 3:11 "Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. Rev 3:12 "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. John 17:15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one

You need to explain what you are talking about. ? Do you mean you can count three days and three nights from Friday sunset until Sunday before sunrise. As for the rapture, it would be nice to exit the earth to avoid being tested and refined as gold (I really don’t think so, I'll stay for the test) unless someone can show some scriptures, I have to think the world is deceived.

Hey Floatingaxe, I find the definition of '(h)arpazo', found in scripture fits what is described as the first resurrection. Remember that Christ said in John 17:15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. Just a thought, and not aiming anything at anyone. When The disciples ask Christ about His return in Matthew 24, The first thing He warned His disciples was to Take heed that no one deceives you. He was talking to His disciples about them being deceived. The only way I know how to keep from being deceived is through knowledge. (Maybe someone knows of another way) I know I don’t have the knowledge of the disciples so I know not to say I can’t be deceived. I have had to repent. (Change) If there was something, say the Great Tribulation, and we were told to prepare for it by our God. How would Satan deceive a lot of people so they would die? Maybe start a rumor that we would be taken out of the way, no need to get ready. I find a lot of people are easy to deceive, Christ gave one sign, that he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, People just believe without question that there are 3 days and 3 nights from Friday at sunset til Sunday morning before sunrise. I bet Satan laughs about that one. Matt 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age? Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you.

The Abomination of Desolation has been standing in the holy place for1,326 years. Daniel says it will be there for 1,335 years. The word day in Daniel 12:11 and 12 can also mean year.

Hello His Ambassador, I believe that if we find we are wrong about something we should repent. (change to what is correct) I think you for your concern. And I think Montana Marv for trying to show where he gets his beliefs about the rapture. I don’t remember anybody trying to answer where the scriptures are. It’s good to have friendly people that will try to help. I understand the rapture started with a dream of a young Scottish girl and a preacher took off with it. I have nothing against Scottish girls, I an also Scottish.

This sure sounds like the first resurrection to me. Might need to show me something else to go with it. 1Thes 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1Thes 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 1Thes 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. This group that will always be with the Lord are talked about in other places. There is a group that is with the Lord, they are found in Rev 14. They follow Christ wherever He goes, but this is a small group, only 144,000. These are the firstfruits, It sounds like the same Elect to me. Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads. Rev 14:3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. Rev 14:4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. Matt 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Matt 24:30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matt24:31 "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. I started to write a article about the rapture a few years ago. I was going to put all the scripture I could find in support of the rapture, then put all the scripture that supported no rapture. I couldn’t find any support for a rapture, just debate about when a rapture would happen. These people we are talking about belong to Christ. These people are Servants of God. These are Virgins. These are the Firstfruits, these don’t have the Mark of the Beast. John 17 tells how to know if we are a part of those that belong to Christ. They will be kept safe by the Father’s Name, Christ says that He has given the Father’s name to them. John 17:6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. John 17:11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. John 17:15 "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. John 17:26 "And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

Hello, Just thought you might want to know the truth about a common misconception/myth. The so-called 7 year tribulation is not biblical. Yes, Daniel's 70th week will be seven years, but there is no mention of any such tribulation before the abomination of desolation, which occurs in the middle of the week. Both, the time of trouble in Dan.12:1 and the tribulation in Matt.24:15-28 occur after the abomination of desolation. The rapture (gathering of the elect) will occur immediately after the tribulation of those days (Matt.24:29-31), which will also be shortened for the elects sake (Matt.24:21-22) and no one know the day and hour, except God our Father. Hello Rolling Thunder, There is nothing that says the Great Tribulation will be 7 years or 3 ½ years. There is only one scripture that says anything about how long a tribulation will be, "you will have tribulation ten days", ( Rev 2:10) Great Tribulation means big or long Tribulation, but if the Tribulation was 10 years, it would have had to start in 2012.

I see a lot of debate here and other forums about when there will be a RAPTURE. Can anyone help a person like me with some scriptures that say there is going to be a rapture. I don’t see anything in the bible that says there is going to be a rapture. It looks like people might be confusing or not understanding the 1st resurrection.

I personally don't know of any nonbelievers that search the scriptures looking for answers. And if they are not a part of that little flock, does it really matter if they accept or reject the mark? Just a thought. Hey Man, There will be a great multitude that come to Christ during the Great Tribulation. Nobody with the mark will be there. Rev 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, Rev 7:13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?" Rev 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Hey Man, I totally agree with you. You are absolutely correct. “A true child of God cannot be deceived into accepting the Mark.” It is those that are not part of that little flock that need to search the scriptures and find out what that old “mark” is so they can reject or avoid it. To keep from being deceived, learn the subject, so they understand. Luke 12:31 "But seek the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added to you. Luke 12:32 "Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

Hey Other One, I agree with you totally. Satan can’t snatch us out of the Father’s hand if we are Christ’s. All that are Christ’s are kept or protected through the Father’s name. John 17: 11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. People that are not sure they are protected by the Father's name, better find out what that name is that Christ has declared to us. and what that mark is. John 17:26 "And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."