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Yes at the resurrection...I would imagine a lot of sinners will be in torment hearing their judgment

No; when I stated prophets I was referring to the ones in the bible. Which leads me to understand your new to all of this. At the very least these types of discussions.

That is impossible because the two or three witnesses are the Law; prophets and psalms If they are all off; then we can't trust the bible. We don't just test the Greek word; we test phraseology, context; supporting scriptures and and and, in fact one should not leave any stone un-turned....test all things which the scripture, commands us to do. I would hope we are all living to that. The very reason why I reject the immortal soul doctrine. All my hope; not 40% or 70% or 99.999% but a 100% of my hope rests in the solid biblical foundation of the doctrine of the resurrection. 1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me" (Job 19:25-27). Paul confirms that without the resurrection, there would be no hope: "And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable" (I Corinthians 15:17-19). I don't need the immortal soul doctrine, because none of my hope is in it.

You say that but the Greek philosophy of immortal souls seems to have gotten the better of you.

You should see the Gospel in this because Christ didn't teach anything new. Go back to Jospeh and see Joseph as a prophetic type of Christ.....and look what he did to call his brothes back? Look how Jospeh uses Benjamin. Can you see another Benjamin (Paul) used in the same way?

This is why there are checks and balances two or three witness to establish a doctrine. Effectively you are criticising those who wishe to go deeper into the study of God. Going deep into the word of God and understanding the gospels is not a crime

Yes frienduffthaylorde; and the Holy Spirit leads not just me but many biblical scholars to the original text to understand the Holy spirits intent. This is a common biblical technique.

Matthew 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel Christ had to come for the lost sheep of the house of Israel/Joseph/ Ephrahim. It is part of the Law, Christ was to fulfill the kinsman redeemer. I didn't say all gentile believers are from the house of Ephrahim. Please be very careful on what you think i saw Why was the gospel sent out to all the nations? In order to understand that you need to understand the nature of Ephrahim. Christ used parables drawn from the history of Israel....and you will find the history of Israel and their inheritence and redemptive plan fits to the word of the parable of the Prodigal son. Further evidence is given by God himself who declared the nature of Ephrahims heart open to accept the messiah.... Hence it is no coincidence that we find an Ephrahimite in scripture who fully embodies Ephrahim.....the Samaritan woman No where in the entirety of scripture do you find Ephrahim to reject Christ. The only house to reject Christ is the House of Judah. Hence you need to understand the law of kinsman redeemer.

Let's see; the two sticks are still two sticks. Even the Jews understand this Rabbi Nachman Kahana, (last year's comments) This is what will be in the near future, when Hashem will awaken the millions of our brothers so distant from their roots, and return them miraculously to us in Eretz Yisrael http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/20963 This is just ignorance now. Replacement Theology falsely states that born again Gentiles have “replaced” the natural born Israelites.in the plan of salvation for all mankind. Just as equally racist is dispensationalism that seeks to divide and separate two groups of believers who Christ came to unite as “One New Man” (Ephesians 2:15) and taking the anti- Semitic stance of total denial of the Redeemer of the one stick to unite both sticks. What I personally believe in; is called companion theology with the correct understanding of two house theology...since you've just admitted the two sticks are still two sticks....at some level two house theology exists. I sojourn with Ephrahim; I neither replace Ephrahim nor do I seek separation from Ephrahim; because Ephrahim is scattered amongst us.

So why the seperation doctrine?

Why not? Why does it seem such a giant leap to believe an ethnic Hebrew house (northern house) to have accepted Christ? Why is Ephrahim inheritence the Christians?

No let this sink in Not everything that was communicated in the original language can be precisely conveyed in another language

You live in such a warped reality....Already been proved false? The only thing you've proven is your inability to understand phraseologies, point proven with the phrase was not I can bet youre also blissfully unaware the types of sight in NT Greek? http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app133.html The one we concerned with is ἰδεῖν (idein) Idein is the infintive word of eidon = see: implying not the mere act of looking, but the actual perception of the object: Eidon = perceive; perceiving; perceived Idein = to perceive (infinitive mood) It's also where you get the word hades from Hades is a-idein 'a-' means 'not' Idein means to perceive. In other words hades means not knowing; a more suitable understanding would be the word oblivious. This is why the dead know nothing because they are in oblivion. Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. Your immortal soul doctrine "thou shalt not die" even violates the Greek words. God took Enoch (was not = phraseology meaning of dead) for God took Enoch in a way so Enoch did not have to preceive death. There are countless of people who have died not perceiving their death. There is a vast gulf in difference to one not perceiving one's death; to one avoiding death. In other words your argument or your " proven false" stance is blunted Why would I chop μὴ ἰδεῖν θάνατον out of verse 5 when it's the very words that nullify your claims? The verse Hebrew By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death Then is best understand as follows Enoch died, For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. Which is the constant theme in scripture. Now please show me which heaven Elijah was taken to? 1. Atmosphere 2.Cosmos 3. Third heaven; God's abode.

Which heaven? 1. Atmosphere 2. Cosmos 3. Third heaven Please provide exegises backing with your response

Please pull up the NT Greek meaning of the word and that word used throughout scriptures so we can understand the Holy spirits intent in word meanings. Hardly a rabbit trail, it's negligence on exegesis if you don't revert back to the original meaning of the word's. No this is the satanic agenda thou shalt not die. The Greek states Enoch did not preceive death...he was not aware of his death..... Why Am I repeating myself? It would appear as day light you never read my post....then paint the false picture I never addressed your question of Enoch being dead. It is the tactics I've come accustomed too by yourself

Has this occurred yet? Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, 'Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.' Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, 'Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him Back to me being racist again for calling Ephrahim Christian? So Christianized Ephrahim is anti-semitisicm now.....accepting their messiah is anti-semitisicm.... So we must conclude the story of the Samaritan woman is anti-Semitic. Let's think logically here Why is Ephrahim given the gentile nations to come from Israel as his inheritence? Why does Christ give a teaching on Judah and Ephrahim in the Prodigal son? Why?

No your not hearing scripture and going back to the original greek text....instead you build doctrines on words that have been added in....and a complete misunderstanding of phraseologies.

Let's try this again Enoch; was not =dead Start here....deal with the phraseology "was not"

No, the Israel you see where the Jews are living is actually the state of Judah. Do you see the real Israel with allotted lands? No....at this current status....it is the state of Judah. Now your being anti Semitic.

Well let's see the jews are the house of Judah, not all Israelites are Jews..... The House of Israel that being the house of Joseph; makes up the majority of Hebrew 10 tribes....however Ephrahim as a tribe and Manasseh, they are half breeds; mixed race of Egyptian and Hebrew stock. I am Celtic I am NOT of any of that stock.....SO I don't know how you claim I'm being racist; for claiming Ephrahim is Christian? Israel on the other hand is a nation (judah and ephrahim) and a company of Nations (christians).

Because Ephraim is Christian, now I'm racist? Samaritan womam accepting Christ....is that also racist?

Ohh boy the bieber gang is out again. You making it offensive....

Well then the word reproduce must also be antisemtic Ephrahim is half reproduce of Israelite and Egyptian....yup that is so antisemtic

Please pick up lipstick..... You want me go to a neo nazi board because Ephrahim being egyptian/Israelite blood stock has accepted Christ before Judah has? Even though Christ taught Ephrahim was to accept Christ before Judah does? Prodigal son; confirmed by the Samaritan woman You do realise I'm Celtic breed blood stock...I am not Ephrahim.....what I am is Ephrahims companion. Gen 35:10&11 11God also said to him, "I am God Almighty; Be fruitful and multiply; A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, And kings shall come forth from you. 12 Thank You for confirming that a company of Nations is to accept Christ like myself being Celtic stock. Ephrahims inheritance "I know, my son, I know. He too will become a people, and he too will become great. Nevertheless, his younger brother will be greater than he, and his descendants will become a group of nations." Would you like to see Ephrahim and his group/ company/companion of Nations? Ezekiel 37:16 For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands

Well be rest assured I'm not feeding any anti-semitisicm.... What is anti-semitic is rejecting Ephrahim accepting Christ....on the antisemitic agenda the church and Israel are separated.