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Hi Jesse Thanks for clearing that up. Now my next question. Is the 7th head already healed before the ten come out? or after they emerge?

No marriage or babies for the saints I agree. The rest are not saints, but flesh. (the survivors) We have Israel and we have the gentiles. Out of all the nations, God chose the hebrews and called them Israel. They were chosen first. Now excluding the prophets, and David, and the apostles etc, Israel backslid. They did not accept the Messiah that was sent to them. This was when they were completely cut off. In turn, this was to make way for the gentiles. As a nation, they do not believe in Christ, therefore rejecting the Son of God. God has blinded them for this very purpose, to bring the gentiles in. In the end it's all God's plan. He makes it clear that he will bring Israel back to him, and they will be a holy nation, not according to the old law, but the new. We cannot dismiss them, for they serve a purpose in the grand plan from beginning to end. Jeremiah 32:42 For thus saith the Lord, Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them. Salty I havn't been church taught, nor have I read books about the bible. I'm not familiar with all the doctrines out there, and I have not heard anyone say that there will be flesh. I can only get this from the bible itself when putting the picture together. 1. Christ and the saints rule for a thousand years on earth. 2. There will be a kingdom area with boundaries. 3. Nations will come in year to year to worship Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 4. After the thousand years, Satan will be let loose to deceive the nations again. Nations = people = flesh. 5. A baby will not die young, because a man will live a ripe old age to 100 6. Children will be playing safely Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. This is talking about inside the kingdom - millennium. There are children here. They are flesh. I f there's a second death, then there must be a first death. The first death is when we die in this lifetime. The second death is judgement. This is the general rule, but there are some exceptions, as some will not see death but be changed in the twinkling of an eye at the coming. During the 1000 years they will have time to repent. Future generations will not be contaminated like this system we have now. It's their children without the mark that really get the chance. And their children, future generations, the ones not contaminated. They will live and die and multiply for a thousand years. After the thousand years, not all will take part in the "2nd death", only the ones that don't conform. It's the 2nd death to them, but not to all, because some are written in the book of life. The 2nd death, 2nd resurrection, 2nd judgement & white throne judgement is all done at the same time. It's the same event. It happens just before the earth is melted and the heavens and the earth made anew. Yes, the 2nd death is the destruction of one's spirit and soul. I completely agree. They must be raised in their flesh bodies to be judged, because being changed from flesh to spirit, is the reward to the saints, and we will follow in Christ's footsteps. For God to raise somene back into their flesh body to be judged is not a hard task for him.

Hi Salty, Well I can see that God is going to destry this earth literally, by melting it, but only after the 1000 years. That's all I'm saying. As for everybody being changed into a spiritual body type, even the wicked at the coming, I strongly disagree. As I see it, the wicked dead who are in their graves will stay there until "the second death" (White Throne Judgement) They have died once, now will face judgement only to die again (lake of fire). This is after the 1000 years. No inbetween, and not brought back to contaminate again, just awaiting judgement now. Only those who died in Christ will be resurrected into spirit at the coming. This is our reward. The same reward does not go to the wicked. These survivors will still be multiplying. They are still flesh. In the kingdom area, a man will live to be a hundred years old, he will die of a ripe old age. He will die in peace, blessed. There will be no sinners in the kingdom area, but outside there will be. Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. Can you see that there is flesh here. Flesh dies. If it is as you say, that even the dead wicked people are going to be brought back in a spiriual body, live, and die again to be judged,......then when they die, the scriptures should say that they will be facing "the third death"? Can you see what I mean? There is only a second death. They die twice, not three times. 1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: This scripture shows us that whoever is raised in the resurrection, is raised "perfect". I'd say this transformation is "proof" of salvation. It's not clear now who will be saved, but at the ressurrection, all who are gathered are the ones that received salvation. After the 1000 years. Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (this last bit is referring to verse 4) 1. Then the wicked should face "the third death" 2. Yes, but this also happens in the 2nd judgement (white throne judgement) They are judged "according to the books" Some will be spared, doesn't mean all these spared knew Christ, because many died before the gospel of Christ came out, ...but they are judged according to their deeds, (heart). They will be divided again. The final sifting. The saints who were resurrected at Christ's coming will not be in this judgement, you know that. Only the dead from all past generations, and the future generations who will be born during the millennium wil take part in this. 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. Yes, but it will be better than Eden. Paradise was that Kingdom of God during the millennium, it was restored to look like Eden again. Those living outside can come in to worship only, and visit. Not dwell there. Salty, I am not disagreeing with you just for the sake of it. You have your reasons and have explained your interpretation, and I have mine. It's good that we can discuss like this. We just have to put it all together with the scriptures. I enjoy these conversations with someone that knows so much.

Hi Jesse can you please explain what you mean here?

I know. I agree with that. It's not what I am saying. The melting is after the 1000 years. It has to be. When Christ returns, he destroys Babylon the Great. But there are survivors of the nations after this. These survivors are still flesh, I'm not talking about the saints., but the others. The earth cannot be melted , because we have flesh here still. The melting will kill them. So the melting is not now, straight after Christ's return, but will happen after the thousand years. Israel will be grafted back in during the millennium, before the melting of the earth. Israel will be brought into the kingdom area (not inherit, but dwell there) This kingdom is on earth, and Jerusalem is it's headquarters. God ruling from heaven, Christ ruling on earth with his saints. There is a difference between "inherit" and "dwell". The saints "inherit" everything at their resurrection but they will rule in the kingdom on earth for a thousand years with Christ, not rule in heaven. (whats the point in that?) The saints now have a specific job to do "on earth" for the thousand years, and that is to teach Israel and all her future generations the Lord Jesus Christ. This is when Israel will be grafted back in. They get a clean slate now. Mercy. And nothing that defiles can dwell in this kingdom. They will be full of the holy spirit, but still flesh. In turn they will teach the gentiles outside the kingdom, and this is when truth will cover the whole earth. Not lies, but truth coming straight out of the kingdom.

Hi Salty Thank you for that, you are very informed. I will have to read ezekiel 48 again. Years ago I was searching as to why Dan was left out in Rev, and it was doing my head in. You see, I kept picturing the 144,000 as flesh Israelites. Then one day it dawned on me. These 144K are following the lamb. They are "christians", and there are no tribes today, as they are all mixed. I also realised that if the saints rule with Christ and become kings and priests, then within the the kingdom's boundaries, (during the millennium), there must be mini "kingdoms" for the kings. Each king will have a territory or suburb to rule over. The names of these territories will be in memory of those 12 tribes as mentioned in Rev. Dan's tribe misses out on having a "kingdom" named after him, and Ephraim also. So my point is, within the kingdom area, are suburbs. 12 suburbs. So there must be 12 kings under Christ. (12 apostles?) Everything will be in order. The priests may be the 144k, because the people will need teachers under Christ. That will mean 12,000 teachers for each tribe. That sounds a lot doesn't it, and there are more saints, besides the 144k, so they will have jobs to do also. Now think of this. There are many christians today, but many different doctrines. There can only be one truth, as the holy spirit teaches the same truth, not different truths. I'd say this 144K has the same spirit of truth. Same doctrine. If they have this, then they have hungered, and searched, and have given themselves over to Christ completely, and received this little reward of truth/understanding. To have this hunger, and committment in the last days is not easy, because the world is so evil during these times. But these 144K seem to manage through it. Therefore, I see them as, a special flock, and qualified to teach during the millennium, because they fed on the flesh of Christ during their lifetime, (truth) and that's what makes them stand out, not that they are better than the appostles or followers before them, but they will definately have more knowledge, because they have lived to see the the things prophecied thousand's of years ago, with a clearer understanding, because back then they could not even imagine the wicked things that are going on today. The 144K are end time witnesses. (not jw's!)

Hi Salty, the measurements of the kingdom are here; Revelation 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. In our terms, that is 2414 km square. I agree!

Salty Another thing I just thought off. Christ was warning all generations that he comes as a theif in the night. Not just warning the last generation. I think we all know that the majority of Christians who refuse the mark will be persecuted before the coming, so they will be dead already, and not alive to watch. Just something to think about. I think it's their souls they have to watch out for. To have it in a clean and holy state on the day of their death. But Christ will come as a thief in the night to the unbelievers, and christians who take the mark of the beast..... who are alive in babylon on that day, as they are not expecting him, that I have no doubt. So it must be a dual meaning.

Salty If the earth is melted on the day the Lord returns, then what's the point of locking Satan up for a thousand years? He's locked up to not deceive the nations for during that time. If there are nations, then there is still flesh existing. Flesh cannot take that kind of heat, they will all die. It doesn't tie in with all the other scriptures. I say this scripture is condensed and all wrapped into one, leaving out the details inbetween. 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; ........in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Where's the part about Christ reigning for a thousand years with his saints? It's not mentioned here. We have to go to revelations to get a clearer picture. Or another way it could be looked at is this; Death takes us by surprise. What if we are in our sins the day we die (off guard, not watching our house) and although hundreds of years, even thousands have passed, we won't know, because we are dead,..... and suddenly it's judgement day. Would seem like the same day we died to us. You could say then that Christ came unexpectantly, like a thief in the night, because we are facing him now. ...but if we died true to him, till our death, then we were prepared, and have nothing to fear. The melting can only happen after the thousand years, after the white throne judgement, and not before, otherwise we would have to scratch that thousand year part out of our bibles.

Salty It makes no difference what the 10 lost tribes are considered as. They belong to Israel and are scattered. I don't know where you are going with this, maybe you can tell me? If I called all Israelites Jews, then I apologise. I will say Israel from now on. My main point is that the 144,000 follow Christ wheresoever he goes, so these are "christians". Christ is no respector of persons. Whoever follows him, gets the same reward. A Jew or Israelite who follow the lamb is no different from a gentle who believes, because in Christ all are one. Christ made this clear concerning the resurrection. The 144,000 are the only ones that are sealed just before the trumpets blow, so this shows us that they are true christians of the last generation before the wrath starts. They are alive during this time. The fact that it states the 144,000 are numbered from the 12 tribes of Israel, is just showing us that they too share in the inheritance that was promised to Israel, and the scriptures say that God provoked Israel to jealousy, because they rejected their Messiah, but the gentiles accepted Christ, so salvation goes first to the gentiles. This does not mean that Israel miss out completely because they were cut out off the branch, the scriptures are clear that after Christ returns, God will show mercy to them again, and graft them back on. He will take the veil off their eyes, and they will truly see Christ for who he really is. What Israel as a whole will miss out on is the first resurrection, and because God's mercy will go back to them, they will be gathered from wherever they are scattered, and brought into the kingdom after the coming. (not all, but according to election) but they will be in the flesh, and they will be taught Christ for a 1000 yrs,.... then it will be spectacular. A whole nation serving Christ, following his laws, and a model nation to all those other nations who survived Armageddon, who will be multiplying for a thousand years. After the thousand years, in the 2nd judgement, they will be changed to spirit of course. So it started with Israel, they backslid and were punished, then mercy comes back, and it ends with God being glorified through them, Israel. We are going off topic now.

Hi Geoff I don't think the 144,000 are Jews by nature, but rather spiritual Jews, because the 144,000 are those that followed the lamb where-soever he goes, and it makes no difference whether Jew or Greek etc. The reason I think they are called the 12 tribes of Israel is because the Jews were the natural branches, and the believing gentiles are grafted on to the same tree. Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Romans 8:23 And not only they, (GENTILES) but ourselves also (JEWS/APPOSTLES), which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption (THE GENTLES TO COME IN), to wit, the redemption of our body. (THE BODY WILL BE MADE WHOLE - ALL IN CHRIST) I see the 144,000 as the true believers of the last days that followed Christ, the special elite group, and these are sealed, could be Jews in there and gentiles, makes no difference. They follow Christ. Plus there are no true tribes today, as all are mixed. What do you think? I do agree that the 144,000 will be protected during the tribulation, and their lives will be spared, like it was back in the days the angels passed over all the Hebrews in Egypt, and kept them untouched.

Thank you Jesse, that makes sense now!

Yes that's how I see it Last Daze. The fallen angels influence the earthly governments (kings). But forget about the fallen angels for now, for they know they will be judged,....but .it's these actual "kings" who think they can get away with what they've done and God is telling us what he is going to do with them. When Christ comes, their power will be taken away from them. Instead of them being the high ones, making all the decisions, they will be the low ones, spared only to be put in prison for a while to feel it. It's just showing us that Christ, when he returns, that whole system of men ruling the world will be no more, for they served the "King of Babylon" which is Satan. Babylon will be gone completely. The way Babylon was run, from beginning to end will no more have any influence on us, It will be according to God's laws now, which are righteous and fair. There's so many scriptures and here's only a few; Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. Jeremiah 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence Jeremiah 51:37 And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant. Jeremiah 51:44 And I will punish Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he hath swallowed up: and the nations shall not flow together any more unto him: yea, the wall of Babylon shall fall.

Hi Jesse I don't understand what it is you are trying to show us?

Hello Other One The fact that you went through all that effort with your story book says a lot about you. I don't think you a fool one bit, but someone who cares enough to try and make sense of it all to find the truth. We've all made mistakes, and when we come accross scripture that throws our theory out, it only brings us one step closer to the truth, not the other way round. It's the process of elimination. If we are fools, let us be fools for Christ! At least if we admit there's an error with something we've stated publicly, our spirit can remain humble, and the holy spirit will continue to give us understanding. It will always lead us to truth, and no matter how much we all think we know, we are all still learning. I like that story book idea. I'd love to do it myself. I used to write everything down on scraps of paper to make sense, and my bible has so much notes inbetween the passages, there's no room left. (and it's falling apart!)

Hi Jesse Daniel 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Hi Last daze. Demons are not fallen angels;but they are the souls of the hybrids during the flood. The spirits of those half angels are not accepted in heaven. They are the trouble makers on earth. And they do possess people. jesse. Hey Jesse, Yeah, I've heard that distinction between fallen angels and demons. While I don't doubt what you're saying, I'm not convinced that its accurate either. Honestly, I just don't know. I've read articles that support both views. If fallen angel works better in your thinking than demon, that's fine. The point is still the same i.e. the beast from the sea is an evil spirit being and not a human. Hi Last Daze Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. Isaiah 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. Isaiah 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. This passage is interesting, I thought you might want to look into it. It appears that these kings that are ruling when Christ returns (possibly the ten?) will not be killed at the coming. It appears that the Lord will not only take their dominion away, but put them in prison for some time. They are accountable for much evil, and the Lord is going to let them know he is Lord. These are rich powerful leaders who have had all the pleasures in life, ...who have never gone without. They have caused much sufferring to the world, and their blasphemies will now be dealt with. ...so now they will be made to feel it. A death sentence in prison is a big turn around from the lifestyles they are used to. That does look interesting. I'm guessing that you see v 21 as making a distinction between fallen angels and demons? I'll look it up and get a feel for the context as well. Thanks Sister. Hi Last Daze No, I'm not making a distinction between fallen angels and demons. These kings of the earth are men. Leaders. What I find interesting is that they are put in prison at the coming, and not killed. After many days they shall be visited. I don't know how long many days are, so I'm presuming they will be kept there for a long time to think about what they have done, and to tremble and fear the lamb. The distinction between the fallen angels and the demons is another matter. The fallen angels mixed with the seed of men in Genesis. Angels producing children with humans. These angels who did this were put in prison till this day. They produced giants, and these giants were killed in the flood. ...But scripture shows that after the flood, there are still giants existing. So they either did it again, or their offspring being part spirit were not killed in the flood.

Hi Last daze. Demons are not fallen angels;but they are the souls of the hybrids during the flood. The spirits of those half angels are not accepted in heaven. They are the trouble makers on earth. And they do possess people. jesse. Hey Jesse, Yeah, I've heard that distinction between fallen angels and demons. While I don't doubt what you're saying, I'm not convinced that its accurate either. Honestly, I just don't know. I've read articles that support both views. If fallen angel works better in your thinking than demon, that's fine. The point is still the same i.e. the beast from the sea is an evil spirit being and not a human. Hi Last Daze Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. Isaiah 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. Isaiah 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. This passage is interesting, I thought you might want to look into it. It appears that these kings that are ruling when Christ returns (possibly the ten?) will not be killed at the coming. It appears that the Lord will not only take their dominion away, but put them in prison for some time. They are accountable for much evil, and the Lord is going to let them know he is Lord. These are rich powerful leaders who have had all the pleasures in life, ...who have never gone without. They have caused much sufferring to the world, and their blasphemies will now be dealt with. ...so now they will be made to feel it. A death sentence in prison is a big turn around from the lifestyles they are used to.

I don't believe that taking the mark itself is unforgivable, it's the other way round. The fact that you have taken the mark shows that you have already gone beyond the stage of forgiveness, if you see what I mean. Hi Oakwood I get what you are saying. 2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Hi Salty I agree that it will happen exactly like you just explained. The scriptures are pretty clear on that.

Hi Messenger Thank you for telling what you believe in regards to the 1000 years. Here is my take, without scriptures, but from the scriptures and in my own words. Everything leads up to the battle of Armageddon which is the war against the lamb. A physical war with their guns pointing up to the sky. I believe they won't know it's Christ, because the false prophet will deceive them. (Alien attack!) Christ destroys all those armies there in that one place. Christ will rain down hail all over the earth, and send a great earthquake which will absolutely destroy every single building. I believe many of the "very wicked" will die during his wrath, if they haven't already died during the plagues. In one day, Babylon is destroyed. Her system, her buildings, her cars, her goods, everything material., ....but not all flesh. The saints will be resurrected at the coming. Satan will be put in prison for a thousand years. This period is the "rest". A rest from Satan and his lies and oppression. There will be survivors of all nations, and their leaders will have their dominions taken away, for Christ will be Lord of Lords, and King of Kings. These gentiles will not dwell in the cities where there only remains rubble now, in fact the cities will be forbiden, and now a habitation for devils and wildlife. Out of bounds. The gentiles will rebuild outside the cities, and will build houses with their bare hands, and grow their own food. It will go back to basics. God will provide fresh water and land ect, for the landscape will be changed after that great earthquake. Christ will set up his kingdom on earth in Jerusalem, and will rule with his saints. This will be his headquarters. This place was promised to Abraham and the Jews, this is the place where the lion will eat straw, and a children shall play safely, and a man will live to be a hundred years old. but not all Jews will be accepted, only those elected by choice, and this includes the remnants of Israel that survived, and those in the grave who did not get a chance to know Christ or experience the new covenant. Israel will be a chosen nation again, a model nation to all the other nations. They will be taught truth this time, and in turn will teach the other nations. God will turn his mercy on them again and calls this his rest. It started with Israel, and it will end with Israel. God promised them a land flowing with milk and honey, but he was talking "future". The Jews will multiply for a thousand years and "dwell" in the kingdom. They have not inherited it yet, for it is given to the saints, however they will live in protection and peace, and through their mercy and conversion, knowledge will cover the earth. After the 1000 years, Satan will be let loose, and will notice a kingdom area, bountiful and at peace. He will do it again, and will pick his man, Gog to gather those nations outside, to attack and take a spoil of this beautiful place. Satan must be blocked spiritually, and does not realise that after a thousand years, these people living in the kingdom area are full of the holy spirit, for they have been feeding off the lamb in green pastures (full of spiritual food there, truth) Gog only surrounds the camp, does not touch it, and then fire comes down out of heaven from God and kills him and his men instantly. Seven years will pass, and they will burn all the weapons, and bury the dead from Gog's army. (the weapons must be made out of wood) Now it's judgement day. (White throne judgement) All the dead will be judged according to their deeds, the goats to the left and the sheep to the right. The Israelites who have dwelt and multiplied in the kingdom will be changed to spirit now. The earth will be melted, and a new heaven and earth will be made. All in Christ are presented to God. Christ's job is finished. He has cleaned up all that Satan and man has polluted. Satan, and evil gone forever. Should be very exciting, to watch all these prophesies be fulfilled before our very eyes. If you have any quesions I can provide scripture for everyting I have explained (except the aliens)

Hi Last Daze I think you are absolutely correct. The mark is given in the 5th seal. Sorry, what passage? Christ comes on the 7th seal. Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. So it would only make sense that the first 6 trumpets take place in the 6th seal, and the last trumpet is the coming, - the 7th seal. No, I am not saying that. Once one has taken the mark, it is too late to repent. They have made their choice. If the mark is issued in the 5th seal, then this is the persecution period. Once this period is finished, the 6th seal starts with the first 6 trumpets/vials. Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image Keep in mind the vials and trumpets correlate. Once everyone is "marked" the first trumpet sounds. Rev 6:12 onwards (the 6th seal) is confusing, because this vision is condensed right up to the men hiding in the rocks for fear of the lamb (the coming) with no details inbetween. This ends right before the coming. Christ has made his presence known, but has not struck yet. The trumpets have to be sounded before the coming, would you agree? So they have happened in this 6th seal stage, but why did God not mention it here?..... becaise Rev 8 opens up the 7th seal, which is the explanation and the details of the 7 angels. It's a vision don't forget, explaining. Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. Revelation 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. I know it is confusing. We have to really concentrate on the order of events. The mark, the persecutions, the trumpets, the coming on the last trump.

Hi Oakwood Good point. Yes, some might be in line to take it, but die before their turn. Some might take the mark to do trade, but hate their new leader (eg Muslems)

Hi Last Daze. I think it means that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord - before the trumpets blow, and have the knowledge to refuse the mark of the beast will be spared from the wrath of God. After that it will be too late. Many will realise they have made a mistake for taking the mark of the beast, but that mark on them shows who they chose to serve. Once it's there, cannot change it. Can remove the mark if you wish, but your name is still listed as being the property of the Beast. They already traded their inheritance for a bowl of soup.

I know we're not given a lot of info on the 144,000 but what do you see as their purpose? Hi sister. I also connect the sealed with the words of Jesus when He said: Many are called but a few chosen. And also: two working in the field, and one taken and the other left. Two in bed ;one taken and the other left. This to me does not look like the majority will be taken. And in rev.11 it mentioned of multitudes that have gone through the tribulation. This to me means that the majority must go through the tribulation,to be given white robes. Meaning that the majority were not white before the tribulation. Do you agree? Yes I agree. Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. The hour of temptation is the decision to take the mark of the beast or not. If Christ is going to keep them from this hour, does it mean that he is going to hide them somewhere? or just spare them? ie. let them be put in prison and not killed? I'm not sure. I just keep thinking of the scripture, when harvest comes, the tares will be burnt, but the wheat will be "stored". When is that actual harvest? at the coming? during the sealing?, or when the 7 angels sound? What do you think? Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. The last verse would have to be when God says it's time, and sends out the 7 angels. So this scripture is telling me that "the harvest" starts at the first angel? Do you agree?