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i think you guys get on the horse to fast ; first if you believe all what doctors says you may as well be dead ; 1) blood transfusion are given not to save your live for we can lose almost 3/4 of our blood before we get in real danger of losing it ,we also can boast are system with vegees to build blood cells quickly , but blood transfusion is in reality a quick fix and has his own problems , i have cancer and my doctor seem to be an enthusiast in given me trial pills or chemo ; so I have to tell him that i know my body longer than he does , and chemo only works on those that do not needed and have a strong stomach and liver , as for trial pills i have try some but stopped them when i felt that they are doing to me what they should not do , my doctor does not like my actions and theory of medical aid , but i remind him once and a while it is my body and my life ,not his for i am sure he would not take in what he give others ,

I do not "read into scripture". I study scripture, all of it, and find harmony all through scripture, scripture backing up scripture. I am sadden to read that someone who has had such a long life as you never took the time to place scripture side by side to have a fuller picture. Reading scripture back and forth, over and over, is not a guarantee the reader has the right understanding I have to highly suggest that you review the Terms of Service about how to treat others. While you contemplate why the ToS is so important, I leave you with the following: Colossians 4:6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one. first I agree with you ; but the true understanding can be seen in your speech,your written words ,or any other communication , now you remark you made was on my stating that ; what you seem to read in scriptures is your own reflection; this was in no means to insult you ; but to bring your attention to the fact that people read the scriptures with pre conceived ideas or understanding (religious or not ) and so read and see those things coming out of the scriptures and so believe that it is supported by the scriptures ,when in fact it does not ,

These are good points to bring up. Just speaking personally, I did notice that after reading this post and questioning it's significance I felt like how could I manage to go through trials seven times worse than some things I've already been through. Scary thought really. i did encourage you stormy612, but I'm not sure because I'm seeing that this stuff can come from ourselves or even the dark side so it's hard to say if it's really God. hi yes the heart of man is devious in deed , we have to keep it away from all what is not God

hi in a way yes but in a way no we are raised with many indoctrinate views but even so we should be able to think on it for its truth and there nonsense ,(we need to have our eyes opened by the Holy Spirit. )

You need to put scripture side by side to have a full picture. Christ gave us a whole list of scripture informing us of what to watch for. As I get ready for work, I do not have the time to provide you with a list of scripture to look up, so please feel free to do so yourself. When time allows, I will provide the scripture, yet I wonder if you will read it with only the focus of a preterist or if you are willing to examine what it says without that lens? HI I have read the scriptures about 30 times from back to front and from front to back ;some of the books 100 times ;i do not need to put everything side by side ;and i don't care about your preterist ,only in the truth ;some just have a lot of imagination and when many seem to accept it they start to believe that it is the truth , but forgot to prove it , what you seem to read in scriptures is your own reflection ,

Perhaps you should not jump to conclusions. MY comment, "OSAS", proves that I trust in GOD and His Son. And there are many, many others, some who do not adhere to OSAS, who would definately disagree with your assessment. You own this forum an apology, sir. hi friend it seem that i really do not know what you are talking about ? for i did not see your comment in this topic ,if you did show me ? please I also do not understand what "OSAS" means , sorry to be so unaware of so many things of the world , love in Christ

Jn 13:16 I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Jn 13:17 Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them. understand this ?

hi i am and all of us , far from Moses leadership and faith and yet he was punished for the only error he made under very stressed condition , so be careful of what you are saying or thinking ,

and that is a requirement from God and his believers ; see Daniel and his friends , Joseph ,and others believing is one thing ;TRUSTING GOD ' I S another thing ,my friends

the great tribulation spoken about is that of our daily walk with God 2 Thessalonians 1:3-6King James Version (KJV) 3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; hi yes it is so;all the scriptures says so

Well then, learn. Go research the origin of those Preterist doctrines you are preaching. Its real origins as a doctrine of men only began in 15th-16th century A.D. It was not a well accepted idea until those like Hugo Grotius determined to keep pushing it, and a few others later. It's main basis of claim is the idea that Christ's Kingdom became manifested on earth with the coming to power of His Church, especially in western nation history. Since the temple at Jerusalem was destroyed, and sacrifices ended, because of the events of the Romans sacking Jerusalem in 70 A.D., and with The New Covenant finding its foundation with Christ's Church among a majority in Europe, that suggested in the Preterist mind that Christ's Kingdom had then come on earth. This is why Preterists are constantly claiming Bible prophecy yet fulfilled today as already having been fulfilled. The word comes from 'preter', which means what is past. There's different branches of it, Full Preterism being the wildest set of that doctrine, claiming that Jesus had returned 'spiritually' back in the Apostle's days and thus all is fulfilled per their view. Partial Preterism still believes in a future coming of our Lord Jesus, but all if not most of the end time prophecies already having been fulfilled. hi salty thanks for your enlightening ,but i am far away from those believes you quote me , even you can see some connection ,what would be always their in any religion for we always discussing the scriptures and the history from it right ? yes so fare i have only mention 70 AD for what was prophesied by jesus is what really happen ;we all know TITUS was the one that destroyed the temple and all they other buildings connected to it or related to it , and yes ;not a stone upon a stone will remain " this started in 70 AD and it ended some were in 72-73 with Massada ,the consequences of that devastation was terrible (read history of it ) without mercy ,for those that had not surrender to TITUS

hi me to i do not believe God as created "EVIL" this is imposible , as Jesse and salty mention it ,

hi if God becomes our father would this not mean that we are his son , but ,but at what time can this be true ? Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. so scriptures says that we can BECOME CHILDREN of God , again at what point are or have we become children of God ;? understand that no matter what God remain our heavenly father for we are his creation ,but we are not born his child but a human child a child of the flesh ,

onelight please also explain this ;Lk 21:27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. what can anyone SEE in a CLOUD ? AND WHAT would that POWER and GLORY be ?

Not so fast, my friend. When did the following happen in 70 AD? Matthew 24:29-31 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. yes and you can now add ; Mt 13:36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.” Mt 13:37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. Mt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, Mt 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. Mt 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. Mt 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. Mt 13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mt 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 24;29-31 look at Daniel 2;44 and yes the powers of the heaven will be shaken : who are the powers in heaven i only know two? ;Satan and God the absolute power , so satan must have been send down and judged as Jesus said he would be , the sign of the son of man ; what is the sign of the "son of man " ? sign = prophecy ; so what did the son of man prophetize about ? the end of the temple of Jerusalem in violence, terrible violence ,such as mothers eating their own children , understand that the temple of jerusalem was known throughout the world at that time , and since then the message is preach for the gathering of the elect ones , Mt 24:34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (this generation is the one that crucified Jesus and it was about 37 years later that Titus the Roman came and destroyed the temple ) but now regarding the coming of the Lord ; Mt 24:36 “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mt 24:37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Mt 24:38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; Mt 24:39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Mt 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Mt 24:41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Mt 24:42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. so there are no signs ,for the coming of the Lord ,just be prepared for it ; just as Noah was I don't agree with your theology. In Luke 21 we read about the sign as His coming: "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." Never happened yet, or the church would of gone to be with Him and the millennium wold of taken place, and also the Great White Throne Judgment, since it all follows one another after the Great Tribulation in a timetable. You quote part of Matthew 24 about the generation that will not pass before the second coming of the Lord. Yet, you neglect to show which generation that will be. It clearly states that the generation will be those who return to Jerusalem after it becomes a nation once again. Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. The Israelis were scattered by the Romans and Jesus had not returned before then, so that could not of happened. The only time the fig tree (Israelis in Israel)can put forth leaves is if they were once again gathered back ti Israel, which did not happen until 1948. This is the generation that will not pass away until He returns. hi ok, you do not agree ,but you do not explain anything "just disagree " and Matthew 24;36-42 , says that there will be no signs ad the coming of the Lord just as the time of Noah ; is that a lie coming from Jesus ? please explain ,

Amen~! #1 - A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit. Proverbs 29:23 These Were Made To Keep #3 - A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels. Proverbs 1:5 A Bible Believing Man Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Psalms 119:160 Happy Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16 ~ Beloved, Thank You A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver. As an earring of gold, and an ornament of fine gold, so is a wise reprover upon an obedient ear. Proverbs 25:11-12 For Your Heart Felt Expression A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity. Proverbs 17:17 ~ Dear Brother, Welcome To Worthy Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. Proverbs 27:17 Where Jesus Is And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5 LORD Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11 ~ Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Your Brother Joe ~ So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. Luke 17:10 hi those scriptures you quoting beside each of those sayings ;make all the difference in the world ,may God bless you and yours ,

hi all I love your comment , please do not stopped them ,i am learning with you ,

hi sorry ,but i have no clue of what is a "preterist " could you fill me in ? Preterism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. Daniel is interpreted as events that happened in the second century BC while Revelation is interpreted as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70........ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism The idea that the verses you quoted in post 10 have already been fulfilled is preterist ideology. well how would you call it if it is true ?

Not so fast, my friend. When did the following happen in 70 AD? Matthew 24:29-31 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. yes and you can now add ; Mt 13:36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.” Mt 13:37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. Mt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, Mt 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. Mt 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. Mt 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. Mt 13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mt 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Matthew 24;29-31 look at Daniel 2;44 and yes the powers of the heaven will be shaken : who are the powers in heaven i only know two? ;Satan and God the absolute power , so satan must have been send down and judged as Jesus said he would be , the sign of the son of man ; what is the sign of the "son of man " ? sign = prophecy ; so what did the son of man prophetize about ? the end of the temple of Jerusalem in violence, terrible violence ,such as mothers eating their own children , understand that the temple of jerusalem was known throughout the world at that time , and since then the message is preach for the gathering of the elect ones , Mt 24:34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. (this generation is the one that crucified Jesus and it was about 37 years later that Titus the Roman came and destroyed the temple ) but now regarding the coming of the Lord ; Mt 24:36 “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mt 24:37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Mt 24:38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; Mt 24:39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Mt 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Mt 24:41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. Mt 24:42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. so there are no signs ,for the coming of the Lord ,just be prepared for it ; just as Noah was

hi sorry ,but i have no clue of what is a "preterist " could you fill me in ?

hi this is true ,however the "great tribulation " in which the great crowd comes out and in that tribulation and washed their clothes within the blood of Christ is our lifespan within Christ ; the only "time tribulation or time distress " that i have come to understand is 70 AD the end of the temple of Jerusalem ;which also put a term to the Moses age ,and so a new age start from there , MT 12:32 “ Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age(time left to 70 AD) or in the age to come. (the following age after 70 AD) MK 10:30 but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions(tribulations); and in the age to come, eternal life. LK 18:30 who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life.”

Mt 13:36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.” Mt 13:37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. Mt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, Mt 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. Mt 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. Mt 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. Mt 13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mt 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. MT 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous 2Ti 4:6 For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time has come for my departure. 2Ti 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 2Ti 4:8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. it seem that what we do as been recorded some how ,and on that we will be judged , and all our tribulation or test of our faith will be shown by the out come ,by our faithfulness ,perseverance , and the washing of our soul is done between our time that we come to Christ until we pass away ;or Christ return You are trying to make personal tribulation and the Great Tribulation the same. It is not. Let's look at what scripture tells us what it will be like and then ask yourself if your life echoes scripture. Matthew 24:15-28 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. Mark 13:14-23 “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter. For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days. “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand. hi i understand what you are saying but in regards to matthew 24 ;15-28 ; those scriptures have their fulfillment in 66 -68 Ad and 70 AD (same even description in Mark 13;14-23 ) also consider ;Mt 24:1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. Mt 24:2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” Mt 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” Mk 13:1 As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!” Mk 13:2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” Mk 13:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately, Mk 13:4 “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?” Lk 21:5 Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, Lk 21:6 “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.” Lk 21:7 “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?” this following scriptures are also part of the above ; Lk 23:27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. Lk 23:28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. Lk 23:29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ Lk 23:30 Then “ ‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!” ’ Lk 23:31 For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?” all this is 70 AD

and more ; LK 12:33 “ Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. LK 18:22 When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Mt 13:36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.” Mt 13:37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. Mt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, Mt 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. Mt 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. Mt 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. Mt 13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mt 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. MT 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous 2Ti 4:6 For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time has come for my departure. 2Ti 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 2Ti 4:8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. it seem that what we do as been recorded some how ,and on that we will be judged , and all our tribulation or test of our faith will be shown by the out come ,by our faithfulness ,perseverance , and the washing of our soul is done between our time that we come to Christ until we pass away ;or Christ return

hi I always wondered if that great tribulation out of which came the great crowed ; was a "one event occurrence like some seem to teach " I believe that the great tribulation is in fact our lifespan within our life's in God's truth,just as Christ went through during his 3.5 years as the true messiah , what then makes our cloths white is our faithfulness ,our pure faith ,the good deeds they have collected during that time for the glory of God and his son , this is why their number could not be counted for it is an ongoing number until the end of this age , what you guys think ?