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  1. Were in the bible does it talk about the spirit needing to be housed in a body to form the soul?
  2. In james 2:26 It says when a person dies their spirit leaves the body.But in the book of 1 Thessalonians 5:23 it says we our made up of body soul and spirit.So the spirit goes to God(Ecclesiastes 12:7).And the body turns to dust(genesis3:19).But were does the soul go? Man was made like this:"The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground(body), and breathed into his nostrils the breath (spirit) of life; and man becamea living soul (soul)". Genesis 2:7. It is not said that man became spirit and soul; but rather, that God inbreathed spirit, and man became a living soul.And in case you are wondering were i got this.I got it from this website:http://www.gospeloutreach.net/soul_sleep_erro... I need a immortal soul believer and a non soul believer to see the debate from both sides.
  3. Something that got to me

    A Need for ConsistencyAs pointed out in Chapter Four, when Scripture talks about departure of the spirit or soul, we see that the essence of our being stays with the body. Examples given were:Genesis 35:18 says, "her soul was departing," not "she was departing."1 Kings 17:21-22 says, "the child's soul came back to him," not "the child came back."Psalm 146:4 says, "his spirit departs, he returns to the earth." It does not say "he departs, his body returns to the earth."Luke 8:55 says, "her spirit returned and she awoke," not "she returned and awoke."Acts 20:10 says, "his soul is still in him," not "he is still in his body."The above passages are consistent because they mention either the spirit or soul. We should expect all passages about death to follow the same design, yet we do not see this in two favorite proof texts against soul sleep. In Luke 23:43, for example, Jesus does not tell the thief that his soul will be with Jesus. Paul also ignores this pattern because he does not say his soul will be with Christ in Philippians 1:23. These two texts are clearly different from passages that emphasize death.Instead, Luke 23:43 and Philippians 1:23 resemble Scriptures that emphasize the resurrection. Numerous passages say we will be with Christ when He returns (e.g. John 5:28-29, 6:39-40, 44, 54, 11:24, 1 Corinthians 15:22-23, Colossians 3:4, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). Why are Luke 23:43 and Philippians 1:23 different from these other texts?Soul sleep follows a consistent pattern of interpretation. When the passage does not mention spirit or soul, it talks about the whole person. In Luke 23:43, Jesus makes the promise that day about the resurrection; in Philippians 1:23, Paul ignores the time of unconsciousness between death and resurrectionbecause it is irrelevant. These two inconclusive passages should not be overemphasized at the expense of numerous other verses that support soul sleep.Traditionalists are very subjective and inconsistent when they interpret these passages. If the passage could support conditionalism, they insist it is only talking about the body; if the passage could support continued consciousness, they insist it is talking about the soul outside the body. Since their minds are already made up, God's Word is of no effect (Mark 7:13)And in case anybody was wondering my info came from this site:http://wordonly.net/CI07.html
  4. Something that got to me

    n genesis 35:18 it says her soul was departing.Not she was departing.But in psalms 90:10 it says we fly away.Not "our soul flies away".Sorry if i have posted this before.
  5. psalm 30:3

    Why in psalm 30:3 is the person in question glad he didn't go down to the grave and the pit at the same time?Really confused!:(
  6. in mark 9:43-48 it talks alot about hell.In Job 17:11-16 is job talking about wanting to go to hell?I am confused.:(
  7. I want everyone else's opinion before i tell my idea.Because i think i might be looking at it the wrong way.
  8. Job 17:16 and Jonah 2:6

    what about job 38:17 and Isaiah 38:10 then?
  9. Job 17:16 and Jonah 2:6

    Why no reply?
  10. Job 17:16 and Jonah 2:6

    In Job 17:16 and Jonah 2:6 it talks about death having gates.What is the gates job and johan are talking about?Sorry if i have asked similar questions already.:(
  11. Mt 9:24 and Matt. 27:52

    What do these mean?
  12. In isa 14:11 and in psalm 88:4 it mentions people as having no strength in the pit.Is this talking about hell or the grave?Because I was raised believing in the immortal soul idea.But I find my self going back and forth between the soul sleep idea and the immortal soul idea.
  13. Question for jehovah's witnesses

    Soul sleep.
  14. Question for jehovah's witnesses

    I posted this in topix jehovah's witnesse by the name frgoad.But I posted it here too.To get more feedback.
  15. In mt 27:52.How is it that it's the bodies that slept?Also in Mt 27:52 why doesn't it say the spirit(breath) returned to the bodies after they woke up?Also is there any other places in the bible that say bodies sleep? I found a website that talks about the body going to sleep. When the Bible calls death sleep, it implies that the essence of our being sleeps. For instance, Stephen was being stoned to death and cried out, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." Then he fell asleep (Acts 7:59-60). If he were conscious in heaven, the Bible would say, "His body fell asleep. In case anybody is wondering were i got this passage i got it from here: http://wordonly.net/CI06.html