WilliamL
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20 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:
Just who do you believe the book of Daniel is prophesying about? It is all about the coming Messiah and His plan of salvation for the Jews and mankind.
Nonsense. It is about a whole lot more than the Messiah. Major chapters, such as 8 and 11, never even hint of the Messiah. And He is only briefly mentioned in Daniel 9.
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6 hours ago, JohnD said:
A man who did what he said he would do.
While I applaud the many truths of your message, this statement is not actually correct. Trump pledged to "drain the swamp." Not only did he not do so, under his administration it actually grew. Because Trump was too susceptible to flattery to discern friends from frenemies, and appointed loads of swamp creatures to high positions in Justice, the FBI, military, and other places, including his first two chiefs of staff.
So unless he designates before the election the PEOPLE he will place in positions of power, I can't trust that he won't screw up as badly this time as last. Because I don't see at this time that his basic nature has changed.
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Probably the most relevant, for our day, mistranslated verse is Daniel 12:11, where practically all translations leave out the preposition "to" [לָ] before 'set up'; the words literally mean "to the placing of an abomination of desolation..."
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6 hours ago, Charlie744 said:
1) In verse 9:27 Daniel tells us that the Messiah will be “cut off” (crucified) in the midst (middle) of the week.
Your presumption.
Verse 27 says nothing at all about the Messiah. The vav-consecutive that begins the verse directly relates the narrative to the nagyd that destroys Jerusalem and the Temple in verse 26b.
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21 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:
Except the gospel stories don't start on the Passovers, so it's longer than 2 years. I didn't think it matters honestly. If Jesus accomplished everything in the gospels in 2 years, that makes it even more impressive.
The Gospel stories about Jesus start before that first mentioned Passover, but His actual public ministry started at that time. Events before then were private affairs.
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On 3/14/2024 at 2:09 AM, Keras said:
If a Prophecy can be literally fulfilled, then it will be.
Agreed.
On 3/14/2024 at 2:09 AM, Keras said:It is impossible for Luke 21:36 to mean 'escape', as in removed, as that contradicts verse 35. It means protection and many Promises of God confirm that.
Also agreed. The context is the Great Tribulation, the escape refers to "all these [very bad] things" that will take place during the GT. Which the Church must go through. Many will be martyred, but apparently most of the elect/chosen won't. It is only "immediately after the tribulation of those days" [Mt. 24:29] that the Parousia of Christ will take place [24:3, 27], that bringing the resurrection of the dead [1 Cor. 15:23, 51-54; 1 Thes. 4:14] and the rapture of the chosen [1 Thes. 4:17].
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On 3/13/2024 at 9:05 PM, abcdef said:
Entirely unhistorical claims? Did you even go and read what the Matthew Henry commentary said on the verses that you referenced?
I thought that he had good support for his opinion.
Matthew Henry wrote well over 300 years ago, and his understanding of Egyptian history is badly dated. Have you read Velikovsky's Ramses II and His Time? Suffice it to say, Egypt was not desolate for 40 years during the time Henry claims, nor was the river at all dried up, and no amount of allegorizing-away the End Time prophecies of Ezekiel and Isaiah about Egypt is justified. These things are yet to be fulfilled in actuality. Soon.
On 3/13/2024 at 9:05 PM, abcdef said:To me, it seemed that you were saying that Jesus could not come for the kingdom until after Egypt had gone through the things you referenced, 40 years of a harsh ruler and the Nile drying up. Is that it?
Jesus will come at His Parousia, the time of the resurrection of the dead and the rapture. Immediately after which, the period of the wrath of God [which begins at Rev. 6:17] will cover 40 years. But once Jesus' Presence enters back into the world, He will not leave being involved in it. All explained in a number of my blogs, the most detailed series here:
48. The End Times and the Exodus, Part 1
First of a four-part series that shows how the events of the Israelite Exodus out of Egypt, and their subsequent wilderness sojourn and conquest of Canaan, allegorically portray in great detail the full sequence of events surrounding the Second Coming of Christ. Begins with the Seven Spirits. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1980-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-1/
49. The End Times and the Exodus, Part 2
The Seven Seals. https://worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1992-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-2/
50.The End Times and the Exodus, Part 3
The Seven Trumpets. https://worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2027-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-3/
51. The End Times and the Exodus, Part 4
The Seven Bowls. https://worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2069-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-4/
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21 minutes ago, Keras said:
Simple question: where is a scripture proving your belief?
Many Prophesies state that the Day of the Lord's wrath will fall on everyone, the whole world over; Like 21:34-35, Isaiah 66:15-17, +
Those passages don't say what you claim they do.
The OT says absolutely nothing about the Church.
Luke 21:34 “But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Verse 36 says that there are those who will be able " to escape all these things." As does 1 Thes. 5:1-9
The "standing before the Son of Man" takes place for "the ones coming out of the great tribulation." Rev. 7:9, 14 The GT precedes the Wrath.
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On 3/12/2024 at 7:18 AM, abcdef said:
From what I read in the Matthew Henry commentary, the 40 years are the time after Babylon conquered Egypt.
The drying of the river is showing the missing power of the people of Egypt...
Entirely unhistorical claims, having nothing to do with the scriptures I cited. But you may believe whatever you like.
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On 3/10/2024 at 6:00 PM, Keras said:
Why then; are we warned to stand firm in our faith and to shelter until His wrath is over?
Go, My people, withdraw for a little while.....Isaiah 26:20-21.....until the Lords wrath has passed. The Lord is coming to punish the wicked and apostate peoples of the earth. Isaiah 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17
Isaiah 27:1 On that Day, the Lord will punish with His powerful sword Leviathan, that twisting serpent.
Isaiah 27:2-5 On that day, sing of the fruitful vineyard – I the Lord am it’s keeper. I tend it constantly, but I get no fruit from it. If only it were briars and thorns, then I would not hesitate to destroy it. But if they [Israelites, now every faithful Christian person] come to Me for refuge, I will let them make peace with Me.
Isaiah 27:6 In time to come, Jacobs posterity will prosper and Israel will flourish. They will fill the whole earth with fruit. Matthew 21:43
Isaiah 27:7-10 Has the Lord struck Israel, as He has killed their enemies? The atonement for Jacob’s guilt is made by their sojourn in exile. All the idol worshipping altars and sacred poles are destroyed. The fortified settlement is abandoned. Animals graze there and the trees are dead, good only for firewood.
Isaiah 27:11 For this is a people without understanding, so their Maker will not show them favour.
Isaiah 27:12 In that day, the Lord will thresh the grain from the Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt and you: Israelites will be gathered one by one. [Individual Overcomers] On that Day, a great trumpet will sound and those who were exiled in Assyria and Egypt will come to worship the Lord in Jerusalem.
Ref: REB, NIV some verses abridged
V 20-21 Go My people…. This a complete and utter refutation of the false teaching of a ‘rapture’ removal.
All righteous people, faithful Christians who love the Lord, need to prepare for a time, soon after the Lords Day of vengeance, when the Call comes to gather into the Promised Land. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
V 1 The Lords Day of wrath and vengeance against His enemies, who are led by Satan allegorised as a serpent. Isaiah 30:27-28
V 2-5 The Lord’s vineyard: People who acknowledge and trust God, He will save them.
V 6 Israel, that is: some of the 12 tribes, plus those grafted in who are faithful believers, settled into the Land, they will be His witnesses and the Light to the nations.
V 7-9 The sins of the forefathers are expiated by their exile. Isaiah 10:27
V 10 The Land, cleared and swept clean after the Day of vengeance. The trees are killed because of the fire the Lord will send: a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26, Joel 1:15-20, Isaiah 32:12-14, Malachi 4:1
V 11 This refers to the current inhabitants of the Land. Jeremiah 12:14
V 12 On that Day, all the Middle East region will be judged and punished. A Jewish remnant will be saved. But then the surviving exiles from Assyria [the 10 Northern tribes] and Egypt [Judah] will gather into all of the Holy Land, along with every faithful Christian from every race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Zechariah 9:14-17, Revelation 7:9
Short answer: there is a difference between the elect of the Church who will be removed before the wrath, and the non-elect of Israel who will go through it.
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On 2/11/2024 at 8:14 AM, choir loft said:
There are many who are hoping and watching for another great global revival prior to the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.
Let the reader understand that the hope is being fulfilled even as we read and write here.
But it won't happen in the post-modern church.
Every statistic worth its numbers tells us the church is dying at an unprecedented rate...even faster than was predicted as recently as the year 2010.
Opportunistic preachers lie to their congregations so as to raise money to support their godless lifestyle. It's everywhere. Nearly every American 'evangelist' is doing it....as they fly from private venue to private venue in their private jets.
It's not just the church either. There is also alarming news that all but one Jewish discipline is dying too.
The ONLY religious groups that are actually increasing in size are Islam and evangelical Judaism.
I imagine the reader here has informed himself/herself of the rise in interest in Islam since 911. It's an uncomfortable fact that cannot be denied.
Whispers have been heard, even among isolated congregations, that the church is everywhere dying....on a global scale. The church age ended in 1968. It ended shortly after the IDF liberated Jerusalem and the temple mount. A new age is upon us whether we acknowledge it or not, whether we believe it or not.
NUMBERS DON'T LIE.
Evangelical Jews are also known as MESSANIC JEWS.
I am one of them.
I am here to testify that Y'shuah (Jesus' Hebrew name - which means 'salvation') IS the ha-Mashiach (messiah - latinized to Christ - meaning the 'annointed One of God').
The reader would do well to explore the significance of this global trend.
The church is today riddled with SINs and hypocrisy. The 'her' referenced in Revelation is the church.
Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “’Come out of her, my people,’ so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; (Revelation 18:4)
Choose wisely, pilgrim. The future of you and your family is at stake here....nothing less.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft..... (Isaiah 6:9-10)
Just because so-called Messianic Judaism is increasing means that they have a lock on salvation. There are lots of false doctrines, infightings, and struggles for dominance amongst the Messianic leaders. They do a lot of (often-justified) finger-pointing at non-Messianic Christians, but they too often cannot see the logs in their own eyes.
So stick to actual Biblical doctrine, and flee from prideful posing and boasting.
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On 2/8/2024 at 1:22 PM, Keras said:
Isaiah 24:1-6 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth, split it and turn it upside down and scatter its inhabitants. Everyone will be affected. Luke 21:34-36 The earth dries up and withers, it is desecrated by those who live in it. They have broken My Laws and violated My covenant, that is why a curse consumes the earth and its peoples suffer, their numbers dwindle, only a few are left. The Lords Day of vengeance and wrath strikes the earth, punishing and affecting all its inhabitants. Do not expect a ‘rapture’ at this time, these scriptures refute that. Isaiah 63:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17.
Isaiah 24:7-13 Crops fail, the people are shocked and anxious. Their cities are in chaos and their houses shuttered and locked. Nothing but desolation is left in the towns, the bridges and highways are destroyed. So it will be throughout the world, among the nations, as an olive tree is beaten and stripped. Cities and towns will become uninhabitable – no food, power or water and roads impassable. “Suddenly, in a single Day” is confirmed by Isaiah 10:7 & Isaiah 47:9 All the nations of the world face the sun over a 24hr period. A huge Coronal Mass Ejection fireball could strike all the earth in one rotation. Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 50:1-6, Malachi 4:1-3
Isaiah 24:16b-20 But, there will be trouble for the earth on the Day that the Lord opens the window of heaven and shakes the earth’s foundation. It will lurch and sway like a drunkard and whoever tries to escape will be caught, like in a trap. Worldwide earthquakes. The attackers of Israel will be killed and all the unrighteous will be punished. . Isaiah 66:15-17, Amos 9:1-4, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10
Isaiah 24:21-23 On that Day, the Lord will punish the powers in the heavens above and the leaders on the earth below. They will be made prisoners, punished for a long time. The sun and moon will grow pale. God will reign in Jerusalem and will be revealed in His glory to the elders of His people. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, Revelation 14:1 The sky will be darkened for a while because of smoke and ash clouds. The Lord is only revealed to His people, not to all the world yet, as at the Return.
Isaiah 24:14-16a People from the West and the East, acclaim the Lord. In the coasts and islands of the sea, we hear them sing- from the ends of the earth, glorifying the God of Israel. These are the faithful Christian people of God.
As Isaiah 30:26-29 says: ‘On that Day, [of His wrath by a CME sunstrike] I will save My people’. They will praise the Lord for their salvation. Isaiah 43:2
That all this is before the Return of Jesus, is clear: then, He will come on the clouds with His angels, visible to all. Then; He destroys the armies of the Anti Christ by the Sword of His Word, not by fire, as the corpses become carrion food. .
But first, this shocking and terrible Day of trouble for all the earth will come. The Day the Lord ‘opens the window of the heavens and shakes the earth’s foundations’. This is the event that ‘comes like a thief’, unexpectedly and ‘everyone will be affected’. Soon after that, His faithful Christian people from ‘the coasts and islands: from the ends of the earth’, will move to and settle in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5
The Glory of God will go into the rebuilt Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-9 The elders and leaders will know Him, as in ancient times, with Abraham, Moses and David. Jeremiah 30:21
The rest of the world’s peoples will organise a One World Government, as their leaders have gone. 10 regions will be established, each led by a President. It will not be long before one will assume full dictatorial powers. Then the rest of the end time prophesies unfold.
All of these OT prophecies refer to "the great day of His wrath." Rev. 6:17
But the Lord will deliver the elect of His people, His bridal company, immediately before that Wrath begins to be poured out.
1 Thes. 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath...
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58 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:
The beast from the abyss attacks Jerusalem.
revelation 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
The Beast will kill the Two Witnesses, yes, but nothing Revelation 11 says he attacks Jerusalem. You're putting into the passage something that is not there. Something that you do a lot of.
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On 3/7/2024 at 3:19 PM, Vine Abider said:
I'm with you - there's still a long way to go until November! I think there's a good chance both Biden & Trump get sidelined, for whatever reason. I still thing things are ripe for a viable 3rd party candidate, in that a fair amount of people would rather not have either of these guys in there. But then the challenge would be for any of them to get the 270 delegates needed . . .
If no one gets 270 delegates, the next President will be elected by the House of Representatives.
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On 3/6/2024 at 6:52 PM, WilliamL said:
Revelation 17:16 “And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
This is not the case with "the Israeli government." Not by a long shot!
On 3/6/2024 at 6:54 PM, Shilohsfoal said:Actually,it is.
Of all the governments that have attacked Israel,which has been able to defeat it?
Of all the nations it shares the kingdom with,which is more powerful?
When Israel decided it was going to take control of Jerusalem in 1967,who stoped it?
It took 6 days for Israel to curb stomp Syria,Jordan and Egypt.Three of the ten.
Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Who stopped it?
First, defending one's own territory is not the same, by far, as "reign[ing] over the kings of the earth.”
Second, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt had inferior armies.
Third, Israel only prevailed due to military equipment provided by other countries, the US being by far the majorsupplier. Israel would have been overrun by sheer numbers otherwise.
Fourth, Israel by no means reigns over China, Russia, the US, and a multitude of other foreign powers.
Reality check.
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3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:
I'm pretty sure the Israeli government is doing a great job of having everyone around them hate them.They really don't need any help in this area.In Fact it's written that they are hated.
Revelation 17:16
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
Revelation 17:16 “And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
This is not the case with "the Israeli government." Not by a long shot!
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Biden Flew in 320K Illegals in 2023. Country Open to Major Terror Attack
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The administration flew in more than 300,000 illegals last year. Yet the administration avers it cannot release information about the program because it would highlight security vulnerabilities at U.S. airports.
Weeks ago, former FBI officials warned that Biden’s open-borders policy had permitted a soft invasion of a sleeper army or terror cells from hostile nations. "
Former FBI Officials Warn Congress: “The Country Has Been Invaded
"Ten former G-Men have warned top GOP and Democrat legislators that the Biden administration’s policy of open borders has permitted either hostile nations or terror organizations to position a sleeper army or terror cells inside the United States.
The former top FBI officials say the threat is mostly the single men of military age who have entered the country with the administration’s permission.
As The New American reported today, citing The Daily Caller, the administration’s vetting is so lax it permitted a Somali terrorist to enter the country last March. "
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1 hour ago, Slibhin said:
If you're response is to repeat that killing Jews is a core teaching of Islam, either show me where in their religious scriptures it says that...
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"
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On 2/29/2024 at 4:21 PM, Shilohsfoal said:
The only people wanting to kill the Palestinians are Israelis.
Hamas and other Islamic jihadists have been killing their own civilians for a long time.
They kill them and blame the deaths on the Israelis, in order to get the world to hate Israel.
They kill them when they begin to flee an area that Israel has told them to evacuate from, in order to keep them close as human shields, and as war victims that will again gain the world's sympathy.
They kill them when their badly-made missiles misfire and land in their own territory on their own people. (And then say it was an Israel bomb, like in the infamous, so-called Israeli attack on the hospital than supposedly killed over 500. When in fact it was a fallen-short Islamic Jihad rocket the fell in the parking lot, and killed maybe 10% of that.)
And they kill them to drive them away from aid trucks that Hamas plans to loot for their own selves.
Hamas and similar jihadist groups do not value the lives of their civilian populations, because theirs is a culture that idolizes only conquest and death.
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6 minutes ago, Starise said:
No I get it. This could have been put out better. Thanks.
You seem to like the teaching end more from my observations which may not hold up under any serious scutiny. You are quite good at searching scriptures.
Thank you. I began studying the Word over 60 years ago, and have been working Christian web forums for well over 20. Great places to both teach and learn. Nothing the devil would like more than to monkey-wrench Christian teaching and learning!
And I like the big smile in your picture. (Would put an emoji here, but they don't work on this computer.)
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8 minutes ago, Starise said:
anti Christian bots?
AI chatbots can be programmed to promote a political or religious bias.
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1. I like Worthy because..
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I can find fellowship and like minded people
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I am curious about the bible
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I like to debate topics
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I'm not sure why I'm here
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All of the above except for item 5
Not to be persnickety (OK, I confess that I am: guilty!), but item 5 is "All of the above except for item 5." -
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2 hours ago, RdJ said:
Yes I mean it's not anti Jews. That other forum let a guy speak who denied the holocaust. I was like: What on earth am I even doing here? And another guy there spoke exactly like the guy from the KKK. I had to leave. I don't want to hang out with that.
You may well have been dealing with trolls.
Troll: 9) a person who posts deliberately inflammatory messages online.
One must accept the fact that there are anti-Christian people and bots that deliberately try to start arguments on Christian web forums. (Including this one.)
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As I've said before, Ukraine is another tar-baby. Like 'Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Draws us in with guilt-tripping tales, and never wants to let us go until the last dollar and last body possible. A totally unwinnable (by Ukraine) war as long as it remains Russian armies against Ukrainian armies. (Barring use of chemical/biological/nuclear weapons, that is.)
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Book of Jasher 4:18 ... and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.