WilliamL

Many nations did just that after the US bombed the smithereens out of Iraq.

Actually, this prophecy was fulfilled in the 2nd century AD by the Roman Emperor Hadrian, following the Bar Kokhba War (132-35), when "the Romans plowed Jerusalem with a yoke of oxen." https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-bar-kokhba-revolt-132-135-ce This act is well known. Hadrian erased the remains of Jerusalem so thoroughly that within a hundred years, no one even knew where the Temple had once stood.

No. There is the one I always keep repeating, ad nauseam: Daniel 11:40 “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. ... 12:1 “At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. [etc.]

I beg to differ. Multiple raptures are required by the scripture. As I pointed out earlier, the rapture of the two witnesses is a rapture all by itself. Unless you have a different definition of the term rapture. Where does this fit in, in your understanding: 12:5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

Well if it was there, I bet you would have found it. I was being a smart alec when I said find it in Daniel. I don't think it's that easy because the NT is based on a different language. This "about half an hour" verse (Rev. 8:1) is found in type during the Exodus era: 7th Seal, Exodus: In Mosesʼ day, a lull in priestly services ensued after the Glory of God filled the Tabernacle: the priests “were not able to enter” it. Ex. 40:35 End Times: There followed a “silence in heaven for about half an hour.” Rev. 8:1 -- https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1992-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-2/

This "firstfruits" ceremony was not one of the seven sacred feast days. It was a wave offering of the first green ears of the barley harvest. Lev. 23:10-14 But it was not a "a holy convocation."

Marital Union in Heaven, and in Creation, Part 4 Second Stage of Holy Marital Union: Israel – A Covenant of Soul Every one of the stages in the marital Chain of Events is essential to the whole Creation, forever. Adam and Eve became “one flesh.” Gen. 2:24 “Wherefore they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.” Matt. 19:6 God’s purpose in joining man and woman in marital relationship will not be undone by the ascension of His elect into heaven. The next fundamental marital union in Creation was that entered into between YHWH and the nation of Israel. Like with the earlier marital union of the flesh, this one too began with a face-to-face relationship between God and His people, when the LORD “came down upon Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.” Ex. 19:11 “The soul of the flesh is in the blood.” Lev. 17:11; Gen. 9:4 Nations are primarily made up of people having bloodlines = soul-lines derived from a common ancestor. In the case of Israel, that ancestor was Jacob, whom God later renamed Israel. Now, following the archetypal Chain of Events pattern, God first had to create the nation of Israel, and then separate it out: Genesis 46:2 Then God spoke to [the man] Israel…and said… 3 “…do not fear to go down to Egypt, for there I will make you a great nation.” Deuteronomy 26:5 … “My father [Israel] was an Aramean about to perish, and he went down to Egypt…and there he became a nation, great, mighty, and prosperous. … 8 Then the LORD brought us [Israel] out of Egypt…” Unlike the physical/fleshly relationship between a man and a woman, the marital covenant between the nation of Israel and YHWH was on the level of soul. [Hebrew, nephesh; Greek, psuchē.] This marriage covenant was sealed with blood early in the Exodus era, when all Israel stood before God at Mount Sinai: Exodus 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD… 7 Then he [Moses] took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.” 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant which the LORD has made with you according to all these words.” Despite all of the people of Israel’s later sins, God still confirmed the existence of this marriage covenant over 900 years later, saying through His prophet Jeremiah, Jeremiah 3:1 … “You have played the harlot with many lovers; and would you return to me?” says the LORD. … 14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the LORD; “for I have been married [Perfect (past) tense] with you…” The LORD confirmed this, even though Jeremiah 2:27 “…they have turned their back unto me, and not their face…” Yet despite the adultery of the people of Israel, who whored after other gods, the LORD has promised that He will reconfirm this marriage covenant, and restore His face-to-face relationship with the nation: Ezekiel 20:34 “I will bring you out from the peoples, and I will gather you out from the countries wherein you have been scattered, with a mighty hand and with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out. 35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there will I have judgment with you face to face. … 37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant.” Therefore, despite Israel’s adulterous rebellion against the LORD and their marital covenant with Him, He has committed Himself to restore and perfect that covenant in the future. This is the pattern followed for every marital covenant that God has established, and will establish, in His Creation.

Agreed. Fine, so do I. But others teach that "the second coming" is not the same as the rapture, because Jesus only comes in the clouds/air at that time. Whereas, to them, the second coming only refers to when he sets his feet on earth/the Mount of Olives. So that is why I say that this non-biblical term can cause confusion, and should be avoided unless specifically clarified.

Again, what George established this thread to be: You are acting in defiance of this condition for "use" of this thread. Defiance, and the pride that it derives from, is of the devil. You have every right to start your own string with your argument, but not to hijack this one.

Obvious to you, maybe. But the actual second coming of Jesus to earth took place the evening of the day He first ascended to heaven. The problem with using this phrase is that it means different things to difference people, so causes confusion, the devil's playground. For example, some people say that the second coming is different than the rapture, while others say they are the same thing. So for starters, how do you define it?

As I have pointed out before, their is no scripture that uses the words "the second coming." This is a doctrine of men.

Even though you copied George's post, you apparently either did not read it, or choose to ignore what it said: "If you are a post-tribulation / pre-wrath advocate, use this thread to defend your position." Since you are not such an advocate, this is not the place for you to post your opinion about the timing of the rapture.

Speaking to a Gentile Church, Paul wrote: 2 Cor. 11:2 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. This verse is commonly misunderstood, because people project into it more than it actually says. First, what it does NOT say: – That marriage in heaven will not exist. (Heaven itself IS a state of marriage; that is, a state of union.) – That people in heaven will be sexless. – That angels in heaven are sexless, or are only males, having no feminine traits at all. Now, what the passage DOES say: – That personal volition regarding 1) the choosing to marry, 2) the choosing of whom to marry, and 3) the choosing to give one’s daughter in marriage, which currently are all earthly choices of our wills – such solely personal choices will not take place in heaven. excerpted from: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/3152-marital-union-in-heaven-and-in-creation-part-1/ Marilyn, you've built your whole view of marriage in heaven on one verse, into which you project much that is neither stated nor implied. For those who might be interested, I just posted the 3rd in a seven part blog series called Marital Union in Heaven, and in Creation. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/3183-marital-union-in-heaven-and-in-creation-part-3-first-stage-of-holy-marital-union-man-–-a-covenant-of-flesh/

Marital Union in Heaven, and in Creation, Part 3 First Stage of Holy Marital Union: Man – A Covenant of Flesh As we saw in Part 2, the process of the perfecting of the Creation is still going on. Biblical history clearly shows this process, “the Chain of Events,” having taken place in earlier manifestations; the most obvious being in the case of Adam and Eve. Like the primordial Divinity, Adam was at first an undivided whole, until – Genesis 2:21 …the LORD God caused…a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and He took one of his tsēlaim/sides/“ribs,” and He closed up the flesh underneath it. 22 And the side which the LORD God had taken from the man He built it [Hebrew banah] into a woman, and He brought her unto the man. 23 And Adam said: “This now is bone from my bones, and flesh from my flesh. [So this tsēla was more than just a rib bone.] For this, she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother and be joined with his wife, and they [two] shall become one flesh. Matthew 19:6 “Wherefore they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.” The by far most common translation for the Hebrew word tsēla is “side” (KJV, 19 times), not “rib” (2 times, both in this passage). Now, “God created man in His image…male and female…” Gen. 1:27 Adam was both sides together before God made the outward division, separating the two sides. Mystical understanding is required here. Genesis 2 clearly states that the female came out of the man: she was not separately created from the dust, as Adam was. So we can see how this first biblical-historical case of a division of a wholeness into two, followed by a perfecting of the separated part, followed by the bringing together of the two into one, depicted the archetypal plan of the Hishtalsheluth in the realm of the flesh. Adam, and later Eve, at first lived in a harmonious face-to-face relationship with their Creator. After they sinned, however, they “hid themselves from the face of the LORD God…” Gen. 3:8 That is, this individual part of the Creation, like the original whole of it, became separated away from Divinity. Human marriages ever afterward became in need of being perfected, in order to restore this original Union. And that perfection will require the resumption of male-female marital relationships being in face-to-face communion with the Creator.

Not the covenant of Dan. 9:27, which is history. The man of sin will be the king of the north of Dan. 11:40-45, and no covenant is mentioned or implied in that period.

Really? Isaiah 33:16 He will dwell on high; His place of defense will be the fortress of rocks; Bread will be given him, His water will be sure. -- kind of like Elijah sitting out the 3-1/2 drought and being fed by ravens.

Answered in my post above. Regarding the 10 virgins prophecy, I'll admit that this could be a partial rapture verse, so thanks for bringing it up. This is about the Lord's Parousia, right there in verse 37; the same Parousia mentioned in 24:3, 27, and 1 Thes. 4:15, all referring to the time of the rapture. Well before the Beast ever arrives on the scene. You, like many, have been woefully misled about the meaning of Daniel 9:27, which has nothing to do with the End Times.

Sorry, but I believe that everything above, after the words "things there will reach a potentially very catastrophic level," is pure spec that will never come to pass. So I repeat what I said in my previous post: avoid such speculative interpretations of the prophecies.

Rev. 3:10 “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you out of the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." This verse is too vague to pin a partial rapture on. As you call it; I would call it one of multiple raptures, if that is what it is referring to. However, itt may simply mean these people will be taken, or led, to a safe place to sit out the trib. Because they have been more faithful than more lukewarm believers won't be so protected.

The problem I see with this list is that is mostly a personal interpretation of Bible prophecy, not Biblical prophecy itself. And when events take a different course, and they will, then any potential converts will likely be turned away from the faith. Best to stick with the literal prophecies themselves, what they actually say, not what you think they mean. There are plenty of quite specific ones that need no elaboration or explanation, my favorite being Daniel 11:40 - 12:3, which covers most of the essentials of "the time of the end."

There is a big difference between a partial rapture and multiple raptures. A partial rapture means some Christians -- or should I clarify and say some professing Christians -- will not be found worthy to be raptured along with the "worthy" ones; e.g. Luke 21:36 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” -- although that passage may simply mean 'worthy to stay alive through the trib.' Other than this passage, I don't know of any that even hints at a partial rapture. However, there is another passage that hints that some people may be raptured, and then kicked out: Matthew 22:2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, ... 11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. 12 “So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 13 “Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ This garment, according to Revelation 19, represents one's good works: Rev. 19:7 “Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Regarding multiple raptures in the End Times, that is undeniable, because the Two Witnesses have one rapture all by themselves.

But he will be gaining millions of votes from registered-to-vote unlawful immigrants... ...not to mention millions more votes from fake ballots. (Deja vu all over again.)

" (April 15) The FBI announced it is conducting an investigation of the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore, and that it had boarded the cargo ship Dali: “The FBI is present aboard the cargo ship Dali conducting court authorized law enforcement activity.” https://thenewamerican.com/news/fbi-announces-criminal-investigation-of-baltimore-bridge-collapse/ So nearly three full weeks after "the accident," the FBI finally is getting around to discover if it really was an accident. (Or so they say.) Might have something to do with the fact that before this newfound FBI interest, "Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott said the city of Baltimore was pursuing legal action, and that it would 'hold responsible all entities accountable for the Key Bridge tragedy, including the owner, charterer, manager/operator, and the manufacturer of the M/V Dali, as well as any other potentially liable third parties.'" Ibid. The FBI investigation quite likely will impede the city's legal action. The delay of the FBI to act immediately after the incident also means that any coverup of the facts would have had plenty of time to take place. The whole thing smells really bad. In other words, situation normal with the Biden administration.

Marital Union in Heaven, and in Creation, Part 2 The Origin of Marriage Marriage is the union of a male and a female. The primordial pattern of the male-female union did not begin with Adam and Eve, but rather with the Creator and His Creation. That pattern originated with a separation out of primordial, limitless Divinity of a limited part thereof; because absolutely nothing else than Divinity existed before that separation. Since that event, the Creator’s sole work has been to perfect that lesser part, and to bring it back into union with Himself. This entire purposeful process – Transcendent Divine Wholeness → separation → perfecting of that having been separated → Holy (Re-)union/Marriage – set off a Chain of Events (Hebrew: Hishtalsheluth) of this same pattern being repeatedly manifested over and over again in Creation, in increasing stages of unity, up until the fully sanctified Reunion is able to be completed. The next stage in this marital Chain of Events will be the return of Christ for His Bride, the Church, in order to consummate a spiritual marital union in heaven: Revelation 19:7 “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give Him [‘the Lord God’] the glory: for the marriage of the Lamb came, and His wife made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted that she might be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. 9 And he said unto me, “Write: Blessed are the ones having been called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb.” But even this holy union will only be another stage of perfection in the Chain of Events. For during the Millennium, the heavenly New Jerusalem will be being “prepared as a numphē/betrothed woman adorned for her husband.” Rev. 21:2 That more highly-exalted stage of marital union will not be attained until after the Millennium has been completed. Earlier stages have already taken place, although they have not yet been perfected; these will be the subjects of Parts 3 - 6. ALL of these types of marital, male-female unions must be perfected together in one in order for the ultimate marriage of the Creator with His Creation to be completed. (Because for the perfection of the whole to be achieved, every part of that whole must also be perfected.) That Union will be the subject of Part 7.

Not a world-functional USA, certainly, because the land will be in too much chaos to be a player in international affairs. But the nation will come through its 3rd and worst crisis: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, but in this greatest conflict the whole world united shall not prevail against her. ... Then once more, I beheld the villages, towns, and cities springing up where I'd seen them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice: While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the Union last. -- George Washington's Valley Forge vision