simplejeff

A tangent from the op/title/thread yet also pertinent if it relates to what appears evil or is evil, eh? Maybe for this thread if the false gospel gets resolved/silenced later) .... or intertwined ? < shrugs > Yahweh knows.... Sort of like a gold nugget unexpectedly found .........

Gentiles often never learn the truth. (according to all Scripture, and Jesus Own Words) Some are deceived by demons, willingly , and later unwillingly, wittingly and unwittingly, learning doctrines opposed to Jesus, contrary to Scripture, but "close enough" for them to grasp hold and accept them without knowing they grabbed a counterfeit, or are controlled by a demon. i.e the deceptions and the false gospels abound all around us and around the world.

Correct. Since they do every day, for show and for deception, (as you know many people who have been deceived also), since when or why do you think that they can't ? Multitudes are deceived every day by the work of the devil, which although Jesus came to destroy, is still going on more and more upon the earth and multitudes are continuing to follow him.

If it can be done simply, as I agree "veneration of a "saint" is idolatry" always, in catholicism doctrines and teachings and practices, would you show how it was different when the bones of the patriarchs were cared for and carried to particular places for burial ? Some who are persuaded by 'catholic' error don't understand that what the patriarchs did , and how they were treated, is entirely different (LIFE AND DEATH DIFFERENT ! LIGHT AND DARKNESS) from anything ever taught by the rcc. I realize most all of those deceived will still corrupt the purpose and meanings and such of words as they are told to do, but would like to see a simple illustration of the difference for the sake of all readers who are seeking the truth. THANKS ! (I would myself, but am not at all familiar with the history or even current definitions of "venerate" etc ..... it was never a need at the time to learn it , and I think from all your posts for years you have a much clearer understanding of it)

You think this !?!? SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE !!!!

You will possibly never know. You were already told several times, and it is clearly in the Bible which you continually resist and oppose. So, if you want to know, then seek the truth first, before asking and instead of asking and then denying the truth.

I am not arguing with you , and don't intend to. I have never contradicted the Bible. Did you read the post you appear to object to ? "for show and for deception" healing and casting out demons is done EVERY DAY by those who have not Jesus but are serving the enemy, wittingly or not.

Actually he has done much worse, opposing Jesus and opposing God's Word all the time in the content of his posts for years. There is no known way to silence such ones on this forum. No, they can just go on and on and on ...... (and do)

It is written that if they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't do it. How much it applies to is for another thread/ topic/ discussion Yahweh willing.

If you knew, you would know they were called simpletons. You don't appear to really know the truth about anything, do you? Until you can escape the darkness of catholic teachings and practices and doctrines and their apparent power over you, don't expect to be able to learn any truth. You have to desire truth (a gift from Yahweh that catholicism FORBIDS), and seek truth and keep seeking truth...... there is no indication in the content of any of your posts of this yet.

As often as he has shown in the content of his own posts every day that he doesn't know it, why do you still think he knows it ?

Don't bother, unless you want to. I used to report him and/or several others like him (deceivers, posting false gospels or false info) , and was told basically ignore them. They are still actively posting errors today, after ten years pretty continually....

ALL the early disciples were called simpletons ! THANK YOU for your unintended verification !

Yes, I have to agree with you here. Her actual core beliefs are not exactly clear. Like a lot of (majority of) posts on forums, it is leaves on the trees, not the core, not the roots, not the source that people are discussing, and it leads most of the time to just like this thread: 58 pages mostly of fluff.... with pagan practices repeatedliy repeated, and repeatedly refuted. (not referring to her, btw)

To be the dearly beloved, perhaps anyway, you must flee catholicsm entirely. Can you or have you done this ? (It was quite apparent you did not in previous posts, up until the point in time of the posts; do not ask for quotes of them, as they are not "at hand" and it is not worth going to get them if you have not or do not want to give up idolatry) .... Also, it won't help to switch over from catholic idolatry to any other idolatry either - that doesn't free a person.

Since when? For all intents and purposes in our lives today, since always. They do it every day, on tv, on the internet, on the forums, all for show, all for deception, (NOT real/true healing) MUCH MORE OFTEN than true disciples. The false ones are much more in number, and some right here on this forum follow some of the false teachers, without ever admitting it.

Yes , quite cruel. Quite dangerous (especially to seekers and young and weak believers) .

Is it important that they continue posting in several threads ? (this morning) It is a serious disgrace, an infection to beware of.

And also, later, "the devil sifts the others (disciples)" ..... temptations are daily, traps are set daily for believers (and for the world also) , as Yahweh permits; and also, the devil gets many. For all the reasons written in Scripture, as Yahweh declares. "understanding the enemy"? He is here, all around us, posting daily, talking to us daily, preaching in some churches daily, broadcasting from television every second, published in the newspapers every day.....

And also, later, "the devil sifts the others (disciples)" ..... temptations are daily, traps are set daily for believers (and for the world also) , as Yahweh permits; and also, the devil gets many. For all the reasons written in Scripture, as Yahweh declares. "understanding the enemy"? He is here, all around us, posting daily, talking to us daily, preaching in some churches daily, broadcasting from television every second, published in the newspapers every day.....

The roman abomination is the enemy of Yahweh, totally opposed to the GOSPEL OF JESUS, and hates Jesus and hates Jesus' children and hates the truth. Those who try to defend the anti-christ associations , who think anything good can come from the beasty system, are deceived.

This happens today - on this forum even. The members/ posters/ visitors have a dark and suspicious mind who say we have a demon, or that Jesus had a demon. They DO NOT KNOW BETTER, no. They do not know ANYTHING.(according to Scripture) Scripture says : if they knew what they were doing , they wouldn't have done it ! This applies to not just crucifying Jesus (as 2 billion members in the beast system do DAILY TODAY) , but also to attacking His children. If they hate Jesus, they hate also His children. And they don't know the truth, cannot see heaven (their hearts are not pure), and they cannot appraise correctly anything spiritual.

Unless it is written in Scripture, I wouldn't say HIS FAMILY thought he had a demon. OTHERS SAID SO, at other times (same as today) they CLAIM HE(JESUS) or that we (JESUS FOLLOWERS) have a demon (this accusation still surfaces TODAY, on this forum); but again, unless it is written, I wouldn't say HIS FAMILY said so. Stick with what is written , what they did, why they (HIS FAMILY) were worried or concerned for Jesus. For the enemies of Christ to claim that we or Jesus had/have a demon is expected and 'normal' in society, but not for believers or Jesus' family to make that claim. Subject of course to what is written..... (to be tested, verified, proven)

If you clearly saw what she is saying, you wouldn't need convinced.

Sorry, no, this might be entirely misleading to readers. Jesus spoke so simply , powerfully, and truthfully that it was a "new thing" to the people who were (and are today, STILL) SO HUNGRY for the LIFE FLOWING FROM HIM. The honesty and bluntness and power in everything Jesus says is unknown in other speakers/ teachers/ parents/ children/ relatives/ pastors/ priests/ bishops/ televangelists/ at the time (that His Own family thought He was crazy OR whatever the original actually says and means) so what was His mother and brothers and sisters to think ? Even THEY HAD NEVER SEEN ANYONE LIKE HIM THIS WAY, and few today ever do either - it is so rare, TODAY, people who speak as Jesus did are considered delusional or liars or drunk, same as some thought of Jesus. But no, back to the objection here, NEITHER JESUS nor the APOSTLES were out of control of themselves. See in Scripture the description of all those who are led by Yahweh's Spirit. It is not out of control, rather instead with self control, especially or even while prophesying ("the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet") ..... not mindless and not random nor , well , as seemingly implied here.