simplejeff

They might believe that, or used to, but it is likely not the mark of the beast, it is only the day of the beast. (as they* admit in their 50 mile underground library, and millions of publications) *they= those who started the fallacy and other old wives tails .... (sic) (more polite than demon's tales)

Pocket change ! >>> there is over 17 to 200 tons just in their underground library , all to promote the errors ..... all 'secret' except as they allow visitors once in a while, visitors to help deceive others .... (look up the underground library - OVER 50 MILES LONG - very secure too ) in rome I think, for centuries and centuries and centuries.

footnote: "tradition" , not just of the rcc, but of all the world, looks like it ALWAYS contradicts the TRUTH, and fights against what is right.... even if at times it looks like it doesn't .... God's Word is Perfect , and never wrong, so tradition is where the error ALWAYS IS.

Tradition contradicts Scripture (as usual - like it has to or something) , so the deceived ones who put tradition over Scripture, and rely on tradition instead of relying on Yahweh and on Jesus, cannot be brought to admit that tradition is so totally wrong - they HAVE to believe it, it seems....

Think slowly on this - "selah" dwell on this...... they met house to house, EVERY DAY, and then do not think on this: "The Lord's Day", because all about that is in error here.(the enemy established his doctrines about this completely in the world religious system GENERATIONS BEFORE you or I was born, even in the first few centuries) .....(not long after the Apostles died) .... "The Lord's Day" was never the say the sun god was worshiped on (except for the lord of darkness, that lord) ......

I believe the best advice is in Proverbs and Psalms and Matthew, and FIRST JOHN, and Galatians. First of all, "don't date". Second of all, remember the first of all. Always simply trust and rely on the Father in heaven - HE sent HIS son JESUS to set us free from the world , from all things sinful and that lead to sin. Remember the world is a sinful place, and leads multitudes every day to sin. Getting to know someone of the opposite gender may take a long time, obeying God and staying close to Jesus all the time. That's okay - HE KNOWS BEST. So never push things along, don't seek out those things HE SAYS to avoid, and DO uplift one another in PRAYER DAILY, and always read HIS WORD for an hour to 3 hours daily(yes, every day), at least. (to start)

True, no argument there....

Where do people go ? Like the "seeker friendly" (false gospel) Churches just now posted in another thread ? Yes, too many, to a place separate from jesus, yes, too many, to a 'refuge' from the world, yet not the door to life; yes, too many, to a place without God's Word, but ........ well, NOT ALL, though many are wrong, false places of hope set up for money, to 'survive', there ARE TRUE BELIEVERS --- TRUE ASSEMBLIES ----- whether few or many in any area ..... TEST EVERYTHING.... PRAY always..... SEEK GOD'S WORD, GOD'S KINGDOM...... HIS KINGDOM IS , it IS WONDERFUL ! and TRUE! True Healing, True Salvation, True Joy, Peace and Righteousness IN JESUS (and ONLY in HIM) ..... none other will do, nor can do. Yes, too many sought and got 'comfort' in places leading them astray (they often post on this forum). Assemblies that are false outnumber Assemblies that are true, just as false teachers are many, as Jesus Says, ..... YET there are true teachers, true ministers of Jesus Gospel, who live UNselfishly sharing all that God has given ; as God has given freely, they give freely also, and always TRUTH, always in line with God's Word, always subject to Jesus, and tested , tested, proven, and tested again... (daily tested and proven) .... (like in ACTS, EPHESIANS, PHILIPPIANS, CORINTHIANS, THESSALONIANS, and REVELATION)

A few months or years ago, I saw a fuller 'expanded' from the original that fits so well perfectly with Jesus Message and Life: "Turn to Yahweh, for His Kingdom is now, today, at hand (here) " ..... to live in LIGHT (I AM is here; PURE LIGHT: JESUS) to walk in the LIGHT, to live as HE SAYS, to come out of the kingdom (out of the control) of the prince of the power of the air, INTO the KINGDOM of YAHWEH, by following JESUS, doing as HE Says, set free as He Says.. set free from sin and from all the consequences of sin, set free from the devil, set free from all guilt and from all shame, set free from the power of the flesh and from the power fo the world (system)...... LIVING IN UNION with JESUS, every step, every breath, every moment: having once for all time been immersed in Jesus, and remain in Him.... and yes, as Scripture Says Clearly "go and sin no more" (don't do what the prince of darkness says to do ever again) but if anyone stumbles (sins), we know we now have an ADVOCATE WITH THE FATHER, so that turning back to HIM, we may be forgiven for our sins and walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE again ,, and again, and again...... (70 times 7 times ..... ? ) (no, do not sin on purpose; but if we do sin, we may be forgiven)

We know simply what Yahweh has revealed in His Word: the thorn = messenger of hasatan. There are other aspects also known, when revealed by Yahweh, in Scripture, without adding to and without taking away from Scripture. No. In Isaiah it is written "HE HAS BORNE all of our guilt and shame" (wonderful lesson titled "communion" by Melissa Scott reveals this and much more from the original language) ... and Paul knew the supreme unimaginable immense without measure JOY OF EXPERIENTIAL SALVATION IN JESUS , not only Paul, but all ekklesia in the assemblies immersed in Jesus' Name were CONTINUALLY FULL OF PEACE< JOY< AND RIGHTEOUSNESS< not sometimes, not some days, but DAILY; not laying around in depression, scullduggery , or 'moody' even... but REJOICING IN THE RESURRECTION LIFE OF JESUS walking and living IN UNION WITH JESUS DAILY.... WONDERFULLY...... UNheard of in most places on earth then, and same today......

When Scripture is learned and known and honored, there is no sex ouside marriage, no abortion, and no confusion from distracting speech in the assemblies. When Scripture is not taught properly in the churches (the worldly churches), there is little benefit to anyone, and much harm not only possible, but probable.

According to Scripture, you may blame 'the church', i.e. Judge Righteously, not with your own judgement, but with Yahweh's Judgement , which is always truth. As you judged rightly : "churches seem to do as the world does" (oops... : "so many in various churches ....." ) NOT seem to do .... but actually truly do as the world does, AND teach the same false ways as the world does , and live not as God's people but as people of the world ..... THUS , so many visitors HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO LIVE ........... their teachers have taught them nothing good, or very much wrong........ REMEMBER JESUS SAID to His Own disciples ^^^^^^ "I (Jesus) KNOW you (disciples) don't know how to live ; SOME TO ME (Jesus) and I will teach you." (not the churches will teach you (when they are worldly , carnal places) but I (Jesus) will teach you).... The PRROF? >>> In all of the churches that DO as Jesus SAYS, "DOERS OF HIS WORD", THERE IS NO abortion. NONE. ZERO. And no confusion about this. No arguing about this. The members have been shown and taught the truth, Scripture.

These (excerpts below) are not isolated incidents/ thoughts/ ideas/ posts --- it is round and round daily sometimes......... (with dozens of posters, not just on this thread; so many from all over the world) verifying Scripture is TRUTH: (Scripture obeyed brings peace) 1 Timothy 2:11-14 KJV - Let the woman learn in silence with all - Bible ... https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A11-14...KJV Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. ----------------------- I am utterly shocked, terribly hurt and offended because you keep taking the meaning of my words wrong I may as well never ever say anything again. That is a terrible thing to say about me and besides that it is untrue. Why would you say that about me? And some don't believe me on here when I complain that I will be bashed for speaking my mind freely ................................................................. Answer to # 1. Because they are single and they had unprotected sex and got Pregnant. Answer to # 2 Because they are single & they don't want a baby at that moment. It sounds you are trying find some drama to justify Killing the unborn babies. My question is why aren't these women using some form of birth control that is readily and cheaply available for them? So the question I would ask is why? Why do so many women feel the need to have an abortion? What is it that is going on in their life that they feel they have to get rid of their unborn child? Some may say it is out of selfishness. That maybe a reason for some. But I don't think it is the reason for all of them. I see this topic is going to cause me to spend much time researching. -------

Edit for simpler example: If someone starts talking about the 'authority' based on the ecf of the rcc, I won't quote Scripture, that's for sure. (unless, of course, Yahweh gives a word to speak at that time!) There is practically or actually very little good that could come from quoting Scripture to them, since Scripture isn't the standard (usually) that they accept - nor those who never read the ecf, but are completely taken in by the hierarchy that has used them for centuries, without regard for Yahweh's Word .... Hopefully this thread is not 'that' serious as things go, but I don't know. I haven't seen anything to which a Scripture quote is needed or helpful, as far as the posts related to now. It is merely the "association" of terms with a big bad religious system that I noted, NOT an actual for sure "error" , (I didn't check for error), at least not yet. On this forum and around the whole world the world wide church opposed to Jesus does that too, btw --- they have tradition instead of Scripture, and they don't listen to nor honor Scripture. Hopefully, with a hopeful positive expectation, you do and are seeking Yahweh's Kingdom, and to find out and share the Truth of His Word that may save someone (from error, or as Yahweh gives growth, for even more good purpose) .... Thus, the hope was that the connotations that are associated with the terms the big bad religious system uses could be corrected before more people get hardened against the truth, or before they get lured accidentally or on purpose further into thinking they are right as if "see! He does it too! " as an excuse or 'moral' justification in their own thinking.

Perhaps, but that is the same thing parts of the false world church says too(and their deceived members on this forum). Using the terms you have used. The Truth of Yahweh's Word doesn't need to be so closely associated with the appearance of evil, nor the doing of evil, at all.

Rather, as it is written: do not take part in the deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. If you call that complain, then complain it is.

Mainly the system on earth (religious system opposed to Jesus, contrary to Yahweh's Word), that uses them all over the earth to deceive people and to keep them from finding Yahweh's Kingdom, and to keep the multitudes of people "under control", unwilling to break away to be saved by jesus.

Stand strong for the truth, not made up man's ways (if that is what they are) - the fight is not mine. Yahweh made everything simple and true. Man came up with many devices. Some of the terms you are using are associated (by most people on earth) with great evil on earth, rightly or wrongly, and many people everywhere have been deceived by such things and continue to be deceived daily.

Now your adding more and different rules / stipulations/ of your own to satisfy what ? A feeling of control or power or self-righteousness ?

So ? We could live all of our lives without that making any difference at all, and more people than not are deceived by others and self-deceived by such things. (it seems like that anyway)

The largest religious deception on earth for most of the last 2000 years uses those terms to distort and confuse and deceive and control the masses of people, whole multitudes in countries all over the earth, thus using what most people are deceived by didn't look like a good idea, nor even yet does it look like a good idea.

That's a wonderfully terrible example of what is called NOT TORAH. Things like that is what Yeshua HaMashiach broke often, to show everyone the difference between Yahweh's Truth/TORAH that is always perfect and good and righteous , VS man's ....

Who separated the sons of disobedience that get tossed in the lake of fire from not just God's Love, but from Salvation also ?

This seems to be a common .... error ? Unless someone is making their own rules, they don't need to try to separate so-called moral and cermonial and then try to make sense of them as if to decide what to do and what not to do by man's rules. Instead, as disciples follow Jesus, same as in the first century, and later centuries, same as in the time before Jesus was born on earth, the people who belong to Yahweh did as He said - they did not try to pick it apart and then pick and choose what they were willing to to and what they were not willing to do. Jesus never tells a disciple to do something, and then "but if you don't want to, that's okay.... just call it cermonial and shrug it off" ..... No, never - those who left Jesus, the disciples who walked away from Him, saying His Words were too much for them, too difficult for them, Jesus did not go after them , nor did He ask them to come back.

RIGHT ! The Jewish 7th Day Sabbath is Yahweh's 7th Day Sabbath described all through His Word from Genesis 1 THrough Revelation and tne life to come. The Lord's Day 's**day' was introduced a few hundred years or so after Jesus ascended, not from God nor from Scripture, as an alternative and as a way to bring crowds/ multitudes/ under control of one central ruling government (secular and religious) ...