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I look at rapturist as a captain who would abandon ship before the passengers...

Nooooooooooo,not talking about trees ,why you all playing me like that,and yes it's really getting me upset because you know that's not what Im talking about!!!!!! Anyway do you!!

The first beast is the One World Government,which shall fall apart(deadly wound)2nd beast is satan himself that shall heal the wound which at that time will turn into a one world religious system as all will think that Christ has returned.

Before sin came in the world wouldn't you all agree that He was Father to all? It didn't stop,some just fell away

Don't think Im talking about tree's....Bottom line still remains ,He's Father to all,period. As for the verse that says you are of your father the devil,I could go deeper but I won't...

What part are you all not understanding, I'm not doing doctrine right now.I know what satan did,I know the fate of those who reject Christ is,fact remains God is the Father of us ALL. That's all I'm saying.

satan didn't create anybody,yu belong to him(satan)if yu do his will. That's not what I'm saying, dont see how I can be any clearer I'm not talking doctrine of any kind Bottom line is God is the Father of us all. He made you,even satan is His child.

It's no buts,I understand everything all are saying, all have a choice, doesn't change the fact that God is the Father of us all King James Bible And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Did not God create the angels? Don't know if you have kids but did you not make them? If they hate you are they not still yours

This is the best I can explain what I mean We are not here by chance; God created us, and He gave us our lives. In that sense, therefore, God is our Father and we’re all His children; we wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for Him. You keep bringing up salvation, which has nothing whatsoever to do with that fact.

Has nothing to do with being holy or unholy,bottom line we are all His children, period. Regardless of what choice one makes .

Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

satan is coming back in living color,no possession whatsoever, with all 7000 of his angels Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,," Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven." this event is future Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Unless you think it was a literal snake in the Garden,he will be himself, just like then Satan's evil spirit is allowed on earth now, along with his demons. However, you haven't seen Satan in person yet. Satan and his angels, both physically and bodily, will come to earth just as they did in Genesis 6.

It's nothing to discern, and not implying that he was Holy,however he was created perfect,he turned bad. Let's look at him from Ezekiel Ezekiel 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire." Satan was anointed by God to fill that high position. It was not an accident of God that Satan sat in that position, for Satan was created and anointed for that position; and he failed. The position of the "cherub" is to protect the mercy seat of God. "Coverth" means to guard, in the Hebrew text. God is saying that "I set you there on mine own altar, and you walked before me." It is because of Satan's vanity that he turned against God, and this caused Satan's sentence of death. It was because of this sentence that God also allowed for His own Son to die, to pay the price of all sin, so those who fall from God's grace, can return to His. Ezekiel 28:15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."

Yea if you're talking about plants and animals When He created satan then known as Lucifer and the angels, they were good just because they turned bad doesn't mean they are still not His children ,even though they are already sentenced to death.

And I would have to disagree with you,as even satan is God's child.God made us all and we are all His children. Isaiah 64:8 "But now, O Lord, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou our Potter; and we all are the work of thy hand."

Think she means all being God's children as she said only the saved are His children

Ezekiel 38:8 "After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them." the United States paid seven million dollars for the land that these mighty armies of Russia and her allies will be killed. I'm talking about Seward's Folly, and the purchase of Alaska for the United States. We are the House of Israel mentioned here, and the "mountains" are the nations and peoples of today which are the offspring from that old "House of Israel". We are referring to the Christian nations of today. Ezekiel 38:9 "Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee." This force will be so big and massive in force, that no earthly force anywhere could offer any resistance to it; for America, England and all Christians will have followed the Kenites instructions to disarm. Ezekiel 38:10 "Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:" Ezekiel 38:11 "And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates," Where ever you tour in the world you will find the walls of the olden times. In fact even today the borders between most nations are very closely guarded. However, amongst the Christian nations of Western Europe and the Americas, the people dwell in safety, and enjoy the free flow of traffic and trade. This is a period of one worldism, and America is becoming totally unprepared for what is about to happen. However the elect of God will be prepared, for that knowledge will be sealed in their minds. Ezekiel 38:12 "To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the People that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land." This verse is directed only to America, and it could not be any part of that tiny nation of Israel, in the Middle East. That nation of Arab, Jew and Kenites. America's prosperity is not an accident, it is a blessing of God to His people. It is the fulfillment of His promises to father Abraham over 4000 years ago. Russia is planning to steal the land that God gave His people. Ezekiel 38:13 "Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?" These "merchants of Tarshish" are the Kenites. They buy low and sell high, for they are the young ruthless lions. They follow all wars and battles, to profit from the spoils of them. These offspring of Satan deal with anyone, and it is they that are compromising with the Communistic world to divide up the properties that God has bless us with. The Kenites are assuming that Russia can be trusted, and that she will win. They are playing both sides of the fence. Ezekiel 38:14 "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when My People of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?" This is not Judah that God is referring to; that small nation in the Middle East bound up in strife and confusion. The true "Israel is now dwelling safely in their streets of the United States, England, Canada, and everywhere those Christian nations exist in these end times. While the United States lives in peace, the Jews strive for peace under the protective shield of the United States. It is the Christian nations that is being referred to here. Ezekiel 38:15 "And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, and great company, and a mighty army." "Thou" in this verse, is Russia. It is Russia that will come against "Israel" [the U.S.A., England and all Christian nations], for all of these Christian nations are trying to seek peace, and by it, they have compromised their security. They seek it through agreements, and trade and tariff treaties, which have no possibility of working, for they are created in lies and deception in secrecy. While we disarm, Russia and her allies are arming. Yet in our blind faith, and with our foolish leaders, we continue to flaunt our strengths, destroy our treasures, and burn our arms. This foolishness was foretold some 2600 years ago by Ezekiel, as well as Joel, Jesus, and also in many other places in our Bible. We seem to be no smarter then our forefathers were at Sinai, when Aaron made the Golden calf, or in the House of Israel, following Solomon's death; when Jeroboam made the two golden calves to worship "Balos". This attack upon us by Russia will be form the extreme Northern parts. It will not only be Russia, but a "company" of many nations with her. Though we believe many of the eastern block of nations favor binding ties with the Western world, "Gomer and her hoard" will not. Nor will Iran, and the Eastern Moslem nations; nor will much of northern Africa, and I also feel that many of the oriental nations. Though English and other Christian nations have ruled the high seas and fed the world for centuries; many nations on the receiving end are envious and jealous of the blessings and prosperity God has given to us. Ezekiel 38:16 "And thou shalt come up against My People of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against My land," When this enormous army of Russia and her allies attack "Israel" [America] from the north, God will utterly destroy them. That is right; it will not be by the U.S., the United Nations forces, or any other earthly army. The entire free world, will be under the siege of one worldism, with all the deceptions it presents, and in weakened state of mind. They will actually believe that Russia, [Edom, Esau, Rosh or any other name they go by] will not harm us, and believe their lies.

Israel consist of Christian nations . Ezekiel 36:1 "Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord:" The "mountains of Israel", are the nations of Israel. This prophecy is directed to the Christian nations of today, and not Judah. Yet, most of the people of these nations don't even know who they are. Though Hosea 1:10 details Israel in the end times, most Christians simply chose not to believe God's word, but to follow their vain traditions. Only Judah make up that nation state of Israel

Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men." This is not a mere man,this is satan himself Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." This is the whole object for the great tribulation. "DECEPTION"! Satan is going to make an image of this "one world system" [religious beast] and breath life into system. Their will be something symbolic created within the system that will cause the whole world to bow. This reminds me of the "image" created in Babylon's "one world government" under king Nebuchadnezzar, in Daniel 3. At that time there were only three that would not bow to the image.

Let's try a different approach Matthew 24:37 "But as the days of Noe were so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." This "Noe", is the Greek form of the Hebrew word, "Noah". These final days of this earth will be exactly as it was in the days that Noah was on the earth, just prior to his entering into the ark. To find out what happened in that day, we must go to Genesis 6. What was it like in those days? Genesis 6:1, 2; "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them," [1] "That the sons of God [the fallen angels] saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose." [2] These angels left their first estate, as Jude writes in Jude 4, and married flesh women of flesh man. From this marriage came the offspring of this evil relationship. These offspring were called; in Strong's Hebrew dictionary # 5303, and 5307, "Nephilim, or the Giants. These angels are created beings, and thus are called the "sons of God". Genesis 6:4-5; "There were giants [Nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also f=after that, when the sons of God [fallen angels] came in unto the daughters of men, they bare [children, is added by the translators] to them, the same became might men which were of old, men of renoun." So we see that the fallen angels left their habitation of the heavenlies, and came to earth and mated with women and a new for of life was formed, and evil form defiant against God. Man and angels are very similar, for the Israelites were sustained on angels food in the wilderness, and angels ate of mans food, as we saw when they sat with both Abraham, and Lot, and ate. The whole reason for the flood of Noah's time was to destroy the misfits that had invaded the earth, and inbred with women. The reason for God saving Noah is recorded in Genesis 6:8, 9;"But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord." [8] "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." [9] Jesus is telling them that it is not going to be any difference now, as it was in Noah's day, for you are going to have the fallen angels down their with you then. When Satan is caste to the earth, all of Satan's many fallen angels will be caste out with him. This is recorded in Revelation 12:7-9; "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, [7] "And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven." [8] "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." [9] What will the people of the earth be doing at this time? Matthew 24:38 "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark," They were eating and drinking, and marrying, and giving in marriage to the fallen angels. If you think that is not possible, that is exactly as it was in Noah's day as he entered into the ark. Friend that is what is starting to happen, where even churches are catering to Sodomy, and all forms of ancient Baalism, and they think it is of God, they are accepting it, because they are ignorant of God's holy word. Pray to God that you are not of that mind set, for it is part of the mark of the beast. No the mark of the beast is not any form of electronic devise, but a mind set that conforms to the doctrines of devils. Before Christ returns the entire world will accept the doctrines of this locust army of fallen angels, because they will be taught in their church houses to do so. If you are not one of the elect, you will accept these angels as being from God, and you will agree with everything that they say, for if you do not have the seal of God in your forehead, you mind, God will allow the delusion to come over your mind. It is not to late to know the truth now, but that time is getting near when it will not be your choice. Just before Jesus Christ return to earth these angels will be working miracles, with their leader, Satan, and this is possible because they are supernatural, just like Satan is. They are not of flesh our human substance. What happened in Genesis 6 is going to happen again. His angels(satans) are those killed in the below verse Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." Within the hour, the earthquake that is going to split the mount of Olives will take place. A way, or path will be made for Christ's children to make it back to Him. Why would God kill 7000 men at this moment? Those are the angels of Satan will die at this time, all of them. They are the men that God will kill. Satan's time for his story telling is over, and all those fallen angels helping him will be destroyed. The "remnant" that is of God's election will give glory to God because it is over. The tribulation, the testing, these flesh bodies, and this earth age of the flesh will be over. Friend, this is not something that is centuries into the future, but in a matter of a few years. We are living in this final generation.

That's my point destroy not live in everlasting torment.

All of us are His children and I know He makes the rules. Reading His Word is how one gets to know Him, and from what I've read,He wouldn't do that.

If according to pretribers the rapture can happen at any moment,why must anything happen first?

The anti christ is satan himself The 4th beast of Daniel is totally supernatural