Revelation Man

Yes, but that is OK, that is how the bible works hand in hand Jesus cited Daniel the Prophet, so we know the AoD is the 1290, by the way Jesus was quoting Daniel, quoting him (Man in Linen, lol). Its the end of 6000 some odd years, it ends the 70th week AND it ends the 3.5 year period of Greatest Ever Troubles. We are speaking only about the Greatest Troubles Ever (1260) and the other two numbers assoc. with that, the 1335 because Israel has to REPENT FIRST and the 1290 because that is their SIGN to Flee Judea because the Anti-Christ conquers them 30 days later. The whole reason you become disoriented on the timelines is you refuse to listen t those who tell you the book of Revelation is not in Chronological Order. Remember, God told Daniel he was going to keep all this hidden until the very end of times, then John was given a similar book to Daniel, but God gave it unto is in an ALL ENCODED manner. Rev 11 starts at the 1335, just before the Anti-Christ Conquers, but the DOTL and God's Wrath can be seen starting in Rev. 8 (1260) and the whole 1260 days runs from and through Rev. 8, Rev. 9 and Rev. 16. Rev. 11 runs over ALL THREE CHAPTERS, but ends 75 days before the Rev. 16:19 7th Vial (2nd coming) event. Rev. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and 19 are Parenthetical Citation Chapters, all but 14 & 19 cover the exact same 1260 days (and save for Rev. 11 which stars 75 days before God's Wrath hits. NOTICE, Rev. 8 is the Asteroid that starts God's Wrath. But in Rev. 12 we can see that it lasts 1260 days, Satan is cast out and chases Israel for THAT MANY DAYS. Notice in Rev. 13 the Beast rules fir 1260 days, see why they have to be Parenthetical Chapters? All those chapters cover the same time period as God's Wrath. Rev. 14 and 19 covers the full 70th week events or the full 7 years. You will never understand what those numbers mean until you grasp that they are THAT MANY DAYS (1335, 1290 and 1260) away from an event that ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS (2nd coming) which Daniel had no clue what it meant. You showed a timelin4e that is not a possibility, nothing happens in the first half of the week until the Two-witness show up at the 1335, which is 75 days before the 1260 middle of the week event. No one can be this bad at adding brother. I told you what the fulcrum point was, do you not understand what fulcrum point means? Start with THE END (2nd Coming) and WORK BACKWARDS, the 1260 then comes first, the 1290 2nd and the 1335 come last. But only working backwards. Why is it you can't understand this simple math? Going FORWARD the 1335 comes first, the 1290 comes 2nd and the 1260 come last in the Middle of the 70t week. These are simple addition my friend. The 1290 is the AoD I don't need to show what is obvious. I am correct on all three, you will find out very soon.

Yes there is, Jesus quotes Daniel 12:11 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. So, the 1290 is the AoD not the 1335. So, don't try to hide these facts brother, the 1290 AoD can be seen in Dan. 12:11 and you know this. So, there is a time line. Come on man. No, I was given that a few years back. The 2nd Coming is the FULCRUM POINT, the 1260 means the Beast comes to power in the middle of the week and rules 1260 days and THEN Jesus' 2nd Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS (the Anti-Christs evil rule). Likewise, the other two numbers also end with the 2nd Coming of Jesus. They are events THAT MANY DAYS AWAY from the 2nd coming which ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS, in each case. The 1335 is the Two-witnesses and the 1290 is the False Prophet. I have told you this before, but of course you allow falsehoods to blind you from this factoid. No, if Israel never repents, it will be a VERY BAD DAY my brother, so Blessed is the Two-witnesses showing up, who get 1/3 of Israel to repent just before the DOTL (God's Wrath) falls at the 1260, which is 75 days later. No, this is just you not grasping the fact the the event that ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS, is the 2nd Coming. That is the fulcrum point of all three numbers. Jesus and God wanted to keep these events UNKOWN until the end so He gave us a reverse fulcrum point. THINK ABOUT IT my friend. See my point, you cant help but count forward. The 2nd Coming is the fulcrum point that ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS. Let me simplify IT. 1.)____________________2.)1335__3.)1290_).1260________________________2nd Coming 1.) The Agreement or Covenant where Israel joins the E.U (that's what it is) 2.) The 1335 comes 1335 days before the 2nd Coming and its the Two-witnesses 3.) The 1290 is the False Prophet (Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under AE4) 4.) The 1260 is the Anti-Christ Conquering Israel to become The Beast, he does this as Dan. 12:7 says 1260 days before ALL THESE WONDERS END at the 2nd coming of what we now know is Jesus Christ's return. The 1260 is the EXACT MIDDLE of the 70th week, the 1290 comes 30 days before, that is why Jesus tells them to flee Judea when they see this, they still have 30 days to flee, DON'T LOOK BACK, and why do the Jews repent and know to flee Judea? Because the Two-witnesses show up 45 days before the 1290 event and 75 days before the DOTL (1260 event). You are looking at it backwards.

It only becomes clearer for a wrong interpretation, the 70 weeks is NOT about Jesus, but about judgment against the City (Jerusalem) and its people. You see Jesus as a part of this somehow, bit it makes zero sense. Jesus is used as a MARKER, just like THE WALL and THE AGREEMENT. As per taking the passage out, why would you take out God's holy word? Now, there were no Chapters and verses, those were put in by the English translators, so you are right, it does not go together properly, REALLY there is not verse 26 (which means vs. 26 goes with 25 and 27, and should be split into, and thus there would be only 26 verses) Now bare with me, I will show you how it should be divided. Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks (490 years of judgments in sets of 7) are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. {{I have an old blog on this I might add it at the end}} 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem(1st Marker) unto the Messiah the Prince(2nd Marker) shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall(49 years or 7 weeks), even in troublous times.26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off(So, after 483 years 7 Weeks plus 62 weeks, Jesus dies), but not for himself(Jesus dies for all mankind, and the Jews sin also): Vs. 26 should be SPLIT UP THIS WAY !! and the people(Romans in 70 AD) of the prince(A.C. thus a small p, who will come 2000 some odd years layer, AS IN NOW) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary(Romans in 70 AD); and the end thereof shall be with a flood(an Army destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD), and unto the end of the war desolations are determined(The Diaspora). 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:(Who? The one that SHALL COME, 2000 years later the prince that comes out of the Roman peoples via the E.U.) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease(He gets the False Prophet to STOP Jesus Worship in the temple and places the AoD or an Image of the E.U. President up in the temple), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Making this Jesus just proves to me you are not called unto Prophesy at all brother, that makes no sense at all.

douggg I am sorry my friend, you just do not understand Prophetic Timing, and in my heart I know you love the Lord, and want to be truthful, but you are stuck to wrong conclusions. The False Prophet does this, before the A.C. attacks and conquers Israel at the 1260 event, we can see this in Dan. 12:7, he conquers Israel and rules over them for 1260 das not 1290 nor 1335, The 1290 gives the Jews who repent 30 days to flee Judea. He is is called the 1st Beast at the 1290 because its a foregone conclusion, like Hitler was goin g to attack Poland etc. etc. it was a known fact. The AoD is set up at the 1290, which is 30 days before the 1260, why is this so hard to grasp? On Day 1 we see an AGREEMENT between the E.U. Anti-Christ and Israel, we will see Israel join the E.U. the Jews do not accept the Anti-Christ as you put forth, the simply join the E,U. which God sees as giving away His land. What scriptures do you use? Matt. 24:15-17 says the Jews flee at the 1290. The Two-witnesses show up at the 1335, they are the Blessing. They die at the 2nd Woe, the Beast dies at the 7th Vial, which is 75 days later. NOTHING happens in the first half of the 70th week, except the Two-witnesses show up 75 days before the Beast becomes the Beast by Conquering Israel, their A-1 Job is to get Israel to repent (See Malachi 4:5-6 and Zech. 13:8-9, then 14:1 is the DOTL) before the DOTL hits. The 1290 is the False Prophet. Do you understand why they are allowed to die? Think it through. They only die to give us a 1260 day TIMELINE JUXTAPOSITION against the Beasts 1260 day TIMELINE. They have Glorious Bodies, they really really really can not be killed, if they could they would be killed while they are praying down all the plagues, so we have to THINK, why does God allow them to be "KILLED" I think they are not really killed, God is giving is a TIMELINE JUXTAPOSITION, you see if they die before the Beast and both have 1260 day ordained timelines, and they doe before the Beast then God is SHOUTING.............HEY, they must show up before the Beast, they are the 1335 BLESSING. But why does that escape you brother? Wow, you are so so off man, the 2nd Woe is not 1256 days before the 2nd coming how is it you can not add up simple math? No, Satan is cast down at the middle of the week, before the Asteroid hits in Revelation ch. 7. You have to get you TIMIG right brother. I would be glad to discuss this in a private message and show you why you timing is off.

24:4-13 was all about the Disciples lives, vs. 14 is about the Pre Trib Rapture. The AoD happens 1290 days before the 2nd coming, and 30 days before the A.C. becomes the Beast. The Greatest Ever Troubles start 30 days later, after the Jews flee at the 1290, then the A.C. conquers the Jews at the 1260 event. This is the 2nd coming, at least verses 30 and 31 is, verse 29 is about the DOTL begining with the Sun and Moon going dark, then 1260 DAYS LATER, Jesus shows up in vs. 30. You are correct about the 70th week being end times, but its not really a gap, even though it is. You see, its about Israel, and Israel became as Dead Men's Bones unto God (and He is God) so there was no Israel from 70 AD until 1948, so technically there is no gap. We are just living in the Fullness of the Gentiles "SERVICE unto God".

OK, I am game, I also do not like the OSAS because to me its word salad, like whose winning or losing at halftime. You are correct, the disciples did ask Jesus about his coming, and the end, but that comes in verses 15-31. Sipping on my Carmel Macchiato so I figured now's the time to sit and go over this. I am going to try to prove why verses 7-8 is not really germane to Matt. 4-14, its just Jesus giving a demonstration, but many people do not understand that and think its about the 70th week seals or the end times, it not really. I will give an overview, then go over what it means via each verse. So, the disciples come to Jesus and talk about the temple etc. etc. and Jesus picks this time to teach them a valuable lesson. He knows the temple will be destroyed in 70 AD, he also knows the Pharisees will put forth a couple of "Messianic Figures" in like 67-70 AD and that if his disciples fall for these lying lies, and returns to fight against Rome, they will be killed, and if their followers in the early church follow them into battle the early Christian Church will be in peril of being wiped out. So, Jesus being God the Redeemer, knows he has to teach them that 70 AD is NOT THE END (70th week) else they will all rush back thinking this is Jesus come again. So, Jesus tells them this temple will be destroyed, not one rock will be left standing. This peaks their interest, so they say "WHEN WILL THESE THINGS BE" (Temples destruction first) and what will be the sign of your coming and the End of the World (AGE of Man which ushers in the Kingdom Age where Jesus/God then reigns for 1000 years). So, Jesus goes about teaching them very carefully why they should not fall into the 70 AD trap that Satan is setting up for them. Thus I call Matt. 24:4-14 the SURVIVAL GUIDE of the Disciples and Early Church, as given by Jesus. He tells them what is NOT THE END in vs. 6 and then what IS THE END in vs. 14. The later verse 14, shows why vs. 6 can not be the end or 70th week. Understanding the intention of Jesus' teaching in Matt. 24 makes it easier to explain, verse by verse. Matt. 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?(Temple First) and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 67-70 AD Events in verses 4-6 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many(the Pharisees/Jewish Leaders). 6 And ye(Disciples survival guide) shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. {{{ So, remember when Jesus told the Pharisees you will not accept me who comes from the Father, but you (Pharisees) will accept another who comes in his own name ? Well, John 5:43 is FULFILLED with Matt. 24:5-6, the 70 AD events where the Pharisees put forth "Messianic Type Figures" to help them defeat Rome, who they knew was the Fourth Beast. This is why Judas wanted Jesus to fight !! Thus Jesus forewarns his Disciples here not to buy into this being the VERY END(70th week), he even says the end is by and by or much later on AND THEN Demonstrates why this event (70 AD) is not nor can be the very end, or him coming again during the 70th week, his demonstration can be seen in the next two verses, which are outliers, not even about what Jesus is really teaching the disciples here, they are only meant to show why the 70 AD events can't be "THE END", nothing more. }}} 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.(Birth Pangs) {{{ So, why can't verse 6 be THE END? Because many, many things must happen before the end comes my beloved Disciples, like a Pregnant Woman with Birth Pangs that get worse and worse, there will be MANY, MANY. MANY Wars before I come (well, that means it can't be 70 AD right? Makes perfect sense now) Kingdoms will rise against kingdoms, meaning Rome will not be in charge over things forever, and Nations against nations (Ethos against ethos or clans against clans) so it has to be on down the line. There will be much more famine and many deaths by pestilence(Black Plague etc. etc.), so it can't be 70 AD, and finally there will be many, many earthquakes, and before 70 AD if there were not earthquakes to speak of, that showed the Disciples 70 AD was not nor could be Jesus' 2nd coming, but vs, 14 is the CLENCHER. Now, Jesus dives back into his survival guide lesson. }}} Jesus informs the Disciples how they will all die 9 Then shall they deliver you(Disciples) up to be afflicted, and shall kill you(All the Disciples, save for John were murdered): and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another(So called Christians start RATTING on true Christians because of the terror Rome brought), and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. {{{ These were not Christian false prophets here, but the Zeus, Jupiter and Sun god types, the Oracles of the false gods hated the Disciples because their patrons were turning from them unto Christianity. Jesus tells them the will be killed by "these type false prophets who are in good with Rome and other worldly leaders", but nonetheless, you have to ENDURE UNTIL THE END [of your lives] All those who do this shall be saved, in other words do not turn into another Judas. Also, by foretelling them they would all die, way ahead of time, they were not surprised by it, they expected it, and all but John was murdered.}}} 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. {{{ So, this is how Jesus gave his Disciples a fool proof way to not get involved in the 67-70 AD events, thinking it was Jesus come again, to start with he tells them those events are not my 2nd Coming (NOT THE END.........Its LATER ON) And then he tells them, hey, you want to know when the end will come? Well, this Gospel has to be preached unto ALL THE WORLD, then the END (70th week) will come. This is why I call Matt. 4-14 a Survival Guide for the Disciples and early Church. They knew 100 percent they would never see Jesus' 2nd coming, why? Because they knew of China, India and the Scythians (modern day Russia) and they knew 100 percent when Jesus said this will bring THE END, that the would never see THE END themselves thus when they heard about the "Messianic Figures" put forth by the Pharisees is 67-70 AD it was not Jesus !! They had a fool proof guide, Jesus gave them all this for a reason. Only with vs, 15 can THE END (70th week events) be seen.

Firstly, before addressing the passage, the OSAS is a misunderstood concept. You can accept Christ and not be saved, Jesus tells us this, you have cast out Demons in my name, healed people in my name, but I never knew you, depart from me. So, what does this mean and what does OSAS mean ? Let me demonstrate the problematic thinking. If the L.A. Rams are ahead of the Atlanta Falcons 14-0 at half time people say they are *Winning* but if they lose the game against Atlanta 24-14 was the *Winning* at half time or *Losing up 14-0 at half time?* LOL, get it? No one is saved until they have finished the journey, now God already knows the future, but we MUST ENDURE UNTIL THE END [of our lives]. That is what Matt. 24:13 means, it was a message specifically until the Disciples who would all be Martyred save John, by this wicked world. People who think professing Jesus makes us saved are wrong, Satan believes and trembles. So, if you were SAVED that means God foreknew it and you were saved, just like Atlanta was winning at halftime down 14-0 but just did not know they were winning. So, if you are SAVED you are saved, but in truth each man must work out his own salvation with fear and trembling. God demands obedience, you can not just say, I love you Jesus each Sunday then live for Satan, that will not work. This is about WORLDY PEOPLE and why they will kill the Disciples. This is only about the Disciples lives, as is all of Matt. 24:4-13, in 14 we see a future pre trib rapture requirement, the Gospel has to be preached unto all the world before the rapture comes. Jesus does not SHORTEN the Prophesied 7 years or the also prophesied 1260 days. He is speaking about how his 2nd Coming will kill the Anti-Christ and his thugs before they were able to kill off all of the flesh on this earth. This man still rules 1260 days, that is when Jesus shows up to intervene, thus shortening the troubles at hand by killing him. The Elect here are only Jews, because the Gentile Church is in heaven, and the Gentiles who come to Christ during the 70th week are not protected, they are the Martyrs seen under the 5th Seal. 1/3 of the world will burn, Christians die in tornadoes today, God will only protect the 1/3 of the Jews who repent because there has to be a Kingdom Age of 1000 years where Jesus rules from Jerusalem with his fellow Jewish brothers. Basically none of Matt. 24, until we get to verse 15 is the 70th week, its all about the Disciples lives, verses 7 and 8 is Jesus describing WHY verse 6 is NOT THE END (70th week) in vivid detail by says all these things must come first, then he goes right back into explaining why they will all die and say YOU MUST endure until he END [of your lives]. Then in vs. 14 he explains when the Rapture will happen, and they knew they would never preach to India, China etc. etc. So how did this set them up well? Lets see, they knew 100 percent that the 67-70 AD events could not be Jesus, so they STAYED AWAY, thus probably saving the young Church from perishing the Disciples had led a revolt.

I have been called unto prophecy 40 years, in a Vision I was shown the Man of Sin is Here in 1986. I know my calling, I know Prophecy. They get everything wrong, do you want me to lie to you and tell you they are correct? I don't get that concept tbh. You can't define a person being correct as BOASTFUL, you try to control language like a liberal who says a man can have a baby, its not going to happen just because they sat it can. Likewise, me doing what God DEMANDS in Ezekiel 3:18, telling people the truth no matter what, is not me being boastful. So, was Jesus being boastful when he rebuked the Pharisees and corrected them? Was Paul being Boastful, was Isaiah or Jeremiah boastful for preaching truth? You point makes no sense. You do not get to determine what Boastful means per se. Truth is never boastful.

They are in Christ by faith. The do not understand Prophecy, AT ALL. Nothing you proffer is going to change that.

Which means they never filled themselves up with the Hoy Spirit. This is just amazing you can not grasp that simple parable my friend. They are in the dark because they have no oil (Holy Spirit, thus they can not hear when Jesus calls at the Last Trump in Rev. 4:1). My sheep hear my call. All of your other references are not worthy of me reading via trying to tie it in to this parable. It is what it is.

What is THAT ABOVE THEN? I rest my case. No, that would be you if you agree with them. PERIOD, end debate.

I don't usually LOL.......but he did in his reply, so I wryly mocked his LOL. Get it? Both of those guys are wrong on 95 percent of everything they speak of about prophecy, it is what it is.

5 of 10 Virgin's will not be Raptured. It does not matter if you can't understand when the Rapture is, its Pre Trib, I wouldn't expect you to get it, you don't understand anything else about prophecy. So, if Jesus says only half the virgin bride will be Raptured, and gave Paul the understanding of the Rapture, because he was the Apostle to the Gentiles, then you have to be able to put facts together, you seemingly can't do that. One track thinking does that. LOL No, people come to Christ by Faith, led by the Holy Spirit, then we must also be baptized in the Holy Spirit and grow in Christ Jesus. See Luke 4, Jesus was LED BY THE SPIRIT into the Desert, after he was tempted and obeyed God in all things he CAME OUT IN THE POWER of the Spirit. The 10 (Completion) virgins = the whole church, the 5 that miss the Grooms call have not enough oil in the Lamp (Holy Spirit) n order to hear the Lords call. In other words half those who claim to be of Christ are TOO WORLDLY. Many may be those RCC Church goers, I never said they were great Christians per se who get it, I stated that the RCC spread the Gospel for 1000 years via the Latin Vulgate, so their Doctrine per se is ok, the believe in the Death of Jesus for our sins, however they have goes fill liberal nowadays at the top, but being a RCC member doesn't mean you are not of God, anymore than being a Christian in a church with a preacher gone bad/wild means you are not of God. You just are not in the know on Prophecy at all, its like talking to kid still on milk. You just have not grown via Prophecy, I mean everything you say is pretty much just the opposite of the truth. Too funny tbh.

No, I am a Protestant, I am just not deceived into thinking the RCC is the big bad wolf as you are inclined to think. 75 percent of them might wind up in hell, but I have news for you on that front, Jesus says 50 percent of the Church will not be Raptured,5 out of the 10 virgins will miss the Marriage Call (Pre Trib Rapture). So, you don't know anything about really do you? lol You are guessing, just like all your wrong Prophetic Analysis.

Hello brother Wayne, I think analytical, but I have also been called unto Prophesy nigh 40 years, question, why would Israel ever sign (any kind of) an Agreement (covenant in Hebrew simply means agreement) with a Muslim as Dan. 9:26-27 says he does? The Pope was never an answer, for either the A.C. or False Prophet, that's just people making bad guesses. But your point at the end is the exact reason Israel will never sign an Agreement (one that can cause this type defeat) to any Muslim or Islamic nation. So, whoever they sign this agreement with, has to gain an advantage of some sorts that makes Israel weak, why? Because is there any Muslim nation now who can conquer Israel? No, of course not, and to boot Israel has Nuclear Weapons, we all know that, so lets add it up analytically. This "Agreement" has to see Israel place their trust, and their survival, in the hands of a foreign entity/nation. Why? Because they give up their Nukes, else this "Anti-Christ would never be able to conquer them in a conventional war like we see in Dan. 11:40-43. So, they give up their Nukes, and become a protectorate nation, kind of like Hawaii is via the USA. So, why can this nation/man be? Well, he can't be a Muslim, and he can not be of a Muslim nation, yes the Abraham Accords are with Muslim nations, but that is not Israel becoming a protectorate nation, which has to be required for Israel to give up he nukes. So, what is the only proper analytical answer? (I will do the Prophetic answers later, its easy) Israel will become a State in the European Union, that is THE AGREEMENT they sign that kicks everything in motion, it angers God which places the 70th week penance into motion, why? It is God's land, not Israel's, how dare the join the E.U. !! Thus, the Pre Trib Rapture will happen as soon as this Agreement is signed, it will be Israel back on the clock, the Gentiles time will have come full(time of Service). When Gog and Magog is defeated, Israel then joins the E.U. or is maybe pushed into their arms, with requirements mandated. Look up the European Neighborhood Policy, the E.U. currently has 7 year agreement cycles with Israel and THE MANY (Dan. 8:25, Dan. 9:27 and Dan. 11:40-43 MANY Countries or NATIONS) who are named, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya and Algeria. Here is what happens, it can be seen in Dan. 11:40-43 its a play by play of the A.C. conquering the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, Israel and MANY COUNTIES, including all of North Africa. Let's compare the above Roman Empire with the E.U. after she Conquers Israel and THE MANY in Dan. 11:40-43. Things do not just happen be chance, these Demons are planning all of this through evil men, but God has of course foreseen all of this and told us what is coming. Dan. 7:7-8 sees 10 (always means Completion, not 10) kings arise out of the Head of the Fourth Beast (now look at both maps) so those Reunited Europeans(10 kings = the complete E.U. Reunited), conquers the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. Well, what about Turkey some may ask? That is covered in Dan. 8:9, the Little Horn conquers or Waxes Great TOWARDS the East (Turkey/Seleucus), towards the South (Egypt/Ptolemy) and towards Israel. So, Turkey also gets conquered by this man, we can probably see this also in Dan. 11:40-43, where it says he rolls through countries to get at Israel. This confirms this man (A.C.) can only be from Greece by birth, because in this four general battle he conquers from the Northwest corridor (Greece/Cassander). Where is Greece at now? In the E.U. so this Little Horn of Dan. 7 and 8 thus can fulfill both of these prophesies at the same time. He is born in Greece and Greece is in the E.U. But what about the Assyrian? Well, bloodlines travel, old Assyria was Northern Iraq and Southern Turkey, with a small part of modern day Syria. So, Turkey and Greece have a common border, where people have migrated back and forth since 2700 BC no doubt. So, this man is the bloodline of the Assyrians (Isaiah 10 says so) he is born in Greece (Dan. 8:9 says so), and he comes to political power in the E.U. so says Dan. 7:7-8. So, all three have to be fulfilled, not just one. Read about Jesus first coming, he was top come out of Egypt, and be born in Bethlehem to a virgin. So, how can he come out of Egypt and be born in Bethlehem ? Because he fled to Egypt with his mom, we know this looking back now, but God's prophesies are very in depth. Its never a Muslim, it is not possible, people who point to the Assyrian, do nit put all of the facts together. The E.U. President at that time will be Greek born, he will have Assyrian blood, and he will arise to power in the E.U. The sad thing to me is when explained, people are so entrenched in "their own" ideas they can't see the facts, not everyone mind you, but I make it easy, I spent 40 years called to prophecy, but they can not see it. It is what it is brother.

You agree with Tatwo, that's all I need to know. He's out in let field as far as I am concerned.

Church means BODY man, did you not know that? Sigh. Church of Christ, Body of Christ = ONE AND THE SAME THING. I had to use Body so you could grasp it clearly, instead of trying to say Israel were once that "Church" (Body of Christ) which of course is an untruth. The Harlot in Rev. 17 is speaking about ALL FALSE RELIGION of all time. Nothing you say is going to change that factoid. You just do not understand prophecy.

The Body of Christ (the church) was not here before Christ. The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION, of all time. Whether you grasp that or not is a different story. But of course sense the sensical interpretation destroys the Harlot Church theory, you guys have to try and make the Jewish saints of old the body of Christ, not they are the bride of the Father, we are the bride of Jesus, read Revelation 14, they have the Fathers name written on their foreheads. The Harlot in Rev. 17 was never a church, she was FALSE RELIGION and guess what, that includes Mormons, SDA, and others but not the RCC, she put forth the gospel for 1000 plus years as the standard bearer of the Gospel.

There was no Body (Church) of Christ before Jesus, lol.

I see, I can place you on ignore quick.

Nope, another one who doesn't understand the word. Seen you on other sites, already know that you do not understand Prophesy very well brother, thats ok, not everyone is called unto prophecy. Read what I wrote carefully. The MUSTERIOIN (Secret by Gods Silence) is EXPLAINED, thus what once God kept silent on, in Revelation 17 He explains through the Angel...................Rev. 17:7 says come I will show you the Musterion (Mystery) or SECRETS of the Harlot and the Beasts she rides. Then God gives us a HEADLINE.........Not Mystery Babylon, there is a Comma there, instead God is saying MYSTERY......SECRET........QUESTION MARK in a Headline or a Marquee Flashing. MYSTERY (Secret Question Mark) Then God SHOWS US THE HEADLINE !!! Mystery, Secret 1.) Babylon the Great 2.) Mother of Harlots 4.) Abominations of the Earth. All three are clues unto FALSE RELIGION. Rev. 17:6 ought to clue you in its not a Church NOTICE, she has the blood of the Saints (Jewish Saints of old just after Jesus' death) AND the Blood of the Martyrs of Jesus, so it can not be a Church, it can only be FALSE RELIGION, there was not any "Church" before Jesus. Just add things up simply, don't listen to men with grand schemes and bad ideas.

I just explained it, no need in going back over it. You took it completely out of context OR either you just do not understand it. One or the other.

Wow, you just take stuff out of context, like 1 Cor. 6:16, reading the whole passage, it shows how Paul was rebuking them for taking their differences to a Court of Law before Heathen Governments (Harlots) instead of before the body of Christ. So, in that instance by going before Gov. Institution, Paul was saying you prefer to be judged by Harlots instead of the Believers in Christ Jesus. So, you can't pull something out of context brother. I understand the bible to well for you to get away with that. The Synagogue of Satan is about as bad, John is telling the Philly Church they are indeed counted as Faithful before God, and what ever band of people who came against them were a Synagogue of Satan, probably Jewish Christians also were teaching the Galatians bad practices. You can disagree all you want, but you can't show it in scriptures, but I can show and attest what I stated is factual via bible verses. That is NOT who the Harlot is, its ALL FALSE RELIGION of All time, as spelled out by God in Revelation 17. In the Old Test. Israel played the Harlot, but the Harlot being spoken of in Revelation is FALSE RELIGION. In Rev. 17:16 the kings (E.U.) in league with the Beast kill off the Harlot. Its not the Kings of the whole earth, that is about World Governments trying to kill off Israel, God and Jesus at Armageddon. You conflate the word brother. You just guess, and get it all wrong. I do not do GEUSSING...

This is why you guys always get Prophecy wrong, you jump to wrong conclusions based on wrong starting points. "The Harlot CHURCH" !! Now who told you the Harlot was the Church? No one, the bible does not say t, but guess what, whenever I hear this 99 % of the time the author thinks the RCC is that "Harlot" which of course is not correct, the Harlot has zero to do with God's church who will not even be here during the 70th week anyway, save the Remnant Church (Rev. 12:17). So, who is the Harlot? That is how you get on the wrong path, you do not know who the Harlot is but really think you do !! The Harlot is DESCRIBED in Rev. 17 to a tee, it was never a Mystery, see vs.7 an Angel says come, I will show you the MYSTERY of the Harlot & the Beast she rides. So, it was never a mystery, it was explained, Mystery/Secret by God's silence or MUSTERION (to shut the mouth MUO) means God was silence and these things were a mystery, but now (Rev. 17) God is showing what the Mystery is and it was never Mystery Babylon, it was MYSTERY, then three Descriptors were used to describe the Mystery of the Harlot like this: MYSTERY (?) 1.) Babylon the Great (Babylon was noted for its FALSE RELIGION) 2.) Mother of Harlots (FALSE RELIGION was the original harlotry of the world) 3.) Abominations of the earth (God hates all FALSE RELIGION) So, this is fairly easy stuff to those in the know on prophecy, who do not jump to conclusions irrationally. The Harlot is all false religion of all time. The Harlot = Egyptian gods, Greek gods, Roman gods, and any god who is not God. It does not equate per se to the RCC who serve Jesus. Its not about a falling away of the church per se either. They do not serve a false god, they are just FAKE Christians. So, you go down the whole Harlot road all wrong and call it a Church System. And OFF YOU GO, down a wrong path, and people wonder why we get all of these erroneous understandings of things that should be simple. The kings of the earth is mentioned in Rev. 16, Babylon is a code word for the "Whole World" thus the kings of the earth are relating to Governments against God. Babylon and the Harlot are NOT THE SAME THING, that is why the Kings in Rev. 17:16 (THINK NOW) kill off the Harlot. So, for eons the Harlot (False Religion) meshed with the False Governance Beasts or rode their backs, in other words the kings/beasts loved the false religions, it was a part of their overall make up, of course. But in Rev. 17:16 the Kings (E.U.) kills off all false religion, but why is that? There is no place in the Ant-Christs kingdom to share glory, he wants to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD, so there is not place for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Zeus, Jupiter or any other god. Not understanding who the Harlot actually is takes you off course brother.

You need to make sense before someone can answer brother.