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Hi, When I first heard about the flat earth I did not believe it. But last year new video evidence surfaced that illustrates a flat Earth. Then the question comes 'what about evidence of a globe"? That is where people get upset. They believe everything on MSM and even if that spell is a little loose right now, shaken even, people still believe the globe earth model because they have spent no time investigating it in order to dispel themselves. Just have no interest in finding out. If I for instance feel strongly about something, then eventually I check it out thoroughly. But that is just me. I do not like to be wrong and I no longer credit the higher institutes of learning with objectivity. Not everyone is there yet. But that is still because no one is seeing how everything has been twisted by satan. Everything. We are living through the time of Revelations and it is not even over yet. 2 Thess. 2:11 King James BibleAnd for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

I see you prefer to speak out against me rather than discuss the topic you broached. So I am finished then (with the thread). 1 Peter 3:8-10 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile.

I have a different viewpoint than 'what is wrong' and view this as a distress call instead from people who have neglected their walk with the Lord and need his help to return to his embrace. Automatic attendance of any Church, while always understood intellectually as not meaning automatic salvation, is still viewed as the best walk with the Lord by everyone. I find myself on a solo mission often to retell people to 'get out of their pews' and walk with God instead, as I can see for myself how better in the end it works out (as I have only moved closer to the Lord since I took off 'my training wheels'). But people will not let go of their dedication to their Church system, even when it stops working spiritually for them. Just the way it is. No need to gripe or become involved in their decision. We are only meant to walk with the Lord ourselves the best we can. We are not responsible for other Christians walk who tell us 'their walk is better', other than to recognize their behavior and pray for them. You probably attest to 'only' walking with the Lord through Church attendance etc. You probably see no reason to change. Even if evidence begins to pile up that that path no longer functions as it once did. We were warned of this time in Revelations. Hence my many attempts here to tell people about Revelations in order for a fuller understanding to occur to them. There is no need for hopelessness, rather we are on the brink of Jesus's rule on earth taking over (from what insight I have received from God of Abraham on this time period) and therefore no tears please, but joy instead Steve_. OK to not want change. Just not OK to attempt to 'change people's minds' about their own walk with the Lord*. They need to see this for themselves and not be coerced into changing by us who do not know what the Lord wants from us right now. I quote a nice article below about not coercing people or forcing people to accept our viewpoints about walking with the Lord (not really any different that bringing someone to the Lord), but instead just honest witnessing and allowing the Holy Spirit involvement instead works best. Perhaps my own situation was just a way for God to lead me to the truth of that Church's long term issues that now i can begin to renounce them and pray for them verses just get upset over the entire situation there (in the Church I shared about). Quote from article "How Do I Lead Others to Christ": *"John 3:1-8 tells of the new birth experience of Nicodemus. Anyone desiring to lead another person to Christ needs to be aware of verse 8: “The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, and you don’t know where it comes from or where it’s going. So it is with everyone that is born of the Spirit.” No human being can make this happen. It has to do with the Spirit. In any situation, depend upon the Holy Spirit to present opportunities to minister the truth and life of Jesus. Then, let the Holy Spirit take it from there." source: http://www.jackhayford.org/teaching/articles/how-do-i-lead-others-to-christ/

I have boundaries that I do not cross and I have already made clear anyone else I am with can not cross without ramifications. So how did you get into this unless you did not set such boundaries in the first place, prior to commitment to this individual? Just stating the obvious, ie. they (these issues) either grew and you didn't take charge and do the ramifications or you lagged in willfully allowing there to be no ramifications for a reason which you have yet to define here. quote: "Personal boundaries help to limit our selfish inclination to control or manipulate others. Likewise, boundaries protect us from those who have no self-control and who wish to control us. A person with clear, healthy boundaries communicates to others what is and is not permissible, saying, in effect, “This is my jurisdiction, and you have no right to interfere.”" link: https://www.gotquestions.org/boundaries-biblical.html

A similar occurrence occurred in my life (though I was not the person who was ill in my case, but the sole caregiver of two people who did attend a local Church I knew well from earlier attendance). No one came when I called for assistance from their Church. Just needed a week or two of help. A few hours here and there. A shoulder to lean on in my time of need. I almost failed on my own but God heard my prayers and gave me strength to endure and get through it (they both got ill and couldn't think clearly for a time due to several injuries that went awry all at once. Predictable in the elderly). A year later she (the Church deacon who I called and knew of my situation) denounces me in public for being a bad caregiver. From bad to worse behavior on the Churches part (already requested prayer here for the Pastor, who has so many of his own public and private issues he can't be called on for any help anymore. Just not available to Church members). Was it because I was indifferent to someone? No. Not my sin. I asked for their forgiveness (all you can do). On demonstrating Compassion for Others Colossians 3:12 NIV "Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience." Philippians 2:1-3 NIV "Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves,"

There are limits that some Pastors over run in their 'haste for grace'. Asking people to give when they have little, for example. Using their 'guilty conscious' to gain additional Church funds that may or may not be actually needed. Harboring on 'rewards in heaven' for more tithing etc. My favorite is 'sacrificing' (through giving to the Church) in order to 'save' others. A very hard to prove matter (I mean can any Pastor 'prove' more capable will 'save' people who otherwise would not be saved by the additional funds?). A 'catch all' phase to 'gut' the masses in my book. Many other cases of 'financial iniquity' in the Church out there. My feeling is a lot of duplicity would leave the Church if they were accountable to their entire congregation for every dollar collected and 'proved' every claim they made for funds worked (rather than pretend to work as they do know, not so much about of a deceitful heart but from just not wanting to be fully accountable. No one likes full accountability, for many reasons.). That will be the day. My own feeling is that we are seeing the end of Church led congregations anyway. That they will end up being replaced with a more open sharing Christian community on-line, for example. Plenty of ways to share the Lord. No need to hold onto the old ways as they blow up in people's faces right about now (from my stand). Others feel they will realign with the Lord 'in the future' (ie. like Mark Taylor, who you can search for easily on-line). I do not know personally what will happen other than an obvious deconstruct period of the Church is occurring right now as all their 'sins' surface. Rev. 21:2-3 NIV "I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."

Re: Rev. 12:1-2 The literal interpretation of the word 'women' in this verse, has never been thought of or used in conjunction with its interpretation by bible scholars. A 'mystery' then in plain sight, as God revealed to me this is one of the two witnessed mentioned in Rev. 11 rollinThunder. Rev. 11:3 "And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." Here we see evidence that the two witnesses exist during the 3 1/2 years time period that is understood to mean the time prior to the saints resurrection or the mid-point of the tribulation (as some describe it), the 7 year Jacob's ladder period. So they, the 'two witnesses' exist now in our period of time. They are modern people therefore. People have many ideas about who they are but so far, no one I have read has identified them as modern people even though this verse is absolutely indicating they are modern people. Not once in the Bible (as far as I understand) has God ever moved a person through time to live on Earth again, both in body and soul. Never has happened and if it did, you would think Revelations would have said so. Instead it only states that Saint's souls are moved forward in time to present day (and not bodies) in Rev. 20:4 (aforementioned in previous post). The dilemma that no one gets or ever will get is that souls can move forward in time but not bodies. It is not going to happen. Rev. 12 the very next chapter is all about a 'women', not a prophet and not a apostle leading the way. Therefore one of the two witnesses has to be....a women and heaven forbid, not a man. That must truly upset people. It did me when God revealed it to me. A Women in Charge A women lead the charge. How? Why? What for? I mean why can't a man do it? Why does she have to have an entire star configuration (ie. many videos out about the Rev. 12 star signs) reiterate her importance (I might have a clue to that right now, ie. perhaps because people do not accept women as leaders). Really, I hope someday to be able to talk about Jesus's time ruling Earth during his 1,000 years on the throne and why women will have equal places besides men then spiritually speaking (I mean can teach God's word equally). Right now there is a sin curse in effect from the time of Genesis and the Garden of Eden. Perhaps Adam's curse is not as in affect* during the 1,000 year rule of Christ? I do not know. *1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Regarding comment by Fixupper that UN is not in Bible Prophecy The UN is the Beast out of the Sea (It raise first as Roosevelt and his minions on "D" day in Normandy....as a 'picture' to give you. That consortium ruled as the Beast until Roosevelt expired then as Foretold the Beast rose again....have done a thread about). God sent me a vision of this because that is the only way this mystery can be revealed to you, as it is a mystery (obviously as everyone has their own 'guess' as to who the passages in Bible prophecy on this topic indicate). Date UN formed Oct. 24th, 1945. From this date you can get every other date. For instance the '70 weeks' or '70 years' as most scholars interpret that passages meaning, from this date you get (plus add 7 days....just saying God allowed me to witness this event, though the thread I revealed this on was deleted....do have a video avail. on it though so I already have the exact date on this event) you get October, 31st 2015 when the Saints resurrected as foretold in Rev. 20:4. I understand that no one else has witnessed this nor prophesied on. It is another mystery then. I can relate why no one else has. Just read Rev. 12 where the 'women' is 'hidden in the wilderness from the dragon'. All this language makes it clear that no prophecy can become public on these dates until such time Jesus has vanquished ALL Christians enemies and made it safe enough for others to witness about the saints resurrection. Tick-tock....2 more years to go (as Oct. 31st, 2015 is the mid-point of the 7 year 'Jacob's ladder prophecy) until last prophesied fulfilled (approx. as the 7 years prophesy does not give the exact date for everything to be finished. Note: There is another prophesy on the time clock for the last 3 1/2 years that extends it out a couple of months or so....do not recall exact figures in head right now). Re: Pope in Prophecy My guess is he is the prophet. I do not know. Obama is the anti-Christ because he sets off the 7 year Jacob's ladder clock (God revealed to me the abomination (ie. gay marriage) announcement on May 9th, 2012 set that clock a ticking). The Beast is the UN. All nice and tidy. Summary Why doesn't anyone want to know why the saints resurrect in the first place, how can they be resurrected and what exactly how in the heck do they rule (and have Jesus available to them) in our world now with all its laws, rules, customs all fixed on secularism vs. God? I mean the practicalities of this change in our environment/Earth should boggle the mind, but .....they don't. No curiosity? Plain odd to me. Wonder how people are explaining Trump's presidency/success now in light of all this? mmmm I can add all the bible passages upon request for all these date prophesies for those unclear what I am referencing (just have posted them a lot now, but do not mind at all). Revelation 20:4 (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

I typically check the NIV and any translation on Biblehub for further understanding of the KJV (ie. the best Bible in my judgement). I have difficulty understanding the language of King James so alternate translation help clear up context issues.

Please stay on topic Kiwi. I am not saying the KJV is inaccurate due to translation problems or is a better or worse version of the Gospel in any shape or form. I am only stating that it has been altered from its original version. It was in the past was accurate and now it is not. If you like to get a moderator involved in this I am happy to oblige. Once more, I am seeing all Bibles changing almost daily and the KJV is the best example of this.

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Did you want prayer for "anxiety" in your life? OK if not. .... Helpful bible quotes for anxiety quote from: http://blog.bible/bible-blog/entry/6-bible-verses-to-combat-fear-and-anxiety "Article from Bible blog, scripture quotes below; Whenever I am anxious and worried, you comfort me and make me glad.– Psalm 94:19 (GNTD) When I lie down, I go to sleep in peace; you alone, O Lord, keep me perfectly safe.– Psalm 4:8 (GNTD) Peace is what I leave with you; it is my own peace that I give you. I do not give it as the world does. Do not be worried and upset; do not be afraid. - John 14:27 (GNTD) There is no fear in love; perfect love drives out all fear. So then, love has not been made perfect in anyone who is afraid, because fear has to do with punishment.– 1 John 4:18 (GNTD) Let us be bold, then, and say, “The Lord is my helper,I will not be afraid. What can anyone do to me?” – Hebrews 13:6 (GNTD) For the Spirit that God has given us does not make us timid; instead, his Spirit fills us with power, love, and self-control. – 2 Timothy 1:7 (GNTD)"

This thread isn't about the NIV being worse/better/inaccurate vs. the KJV. The mandela effect is in all versions of the bible, just hitting the KJV hardest and or first. There are other threads that do such comparisons in value etc., between versions just not this one. Not going to discuss it therefore here.

This is off topic. If you want to begin a thread about it that is your concern. Many articles describe what you are referencing, this ideal of 'soul' in regards to 'animals' as described in the Bible. Not really a topic I am interested in. If you want a lengthy blog post someone did that explains the difference uses of the term 'soul' in the Bible, as in regards to human souls vs. animals that are alive (as in are “living creatures” (ie. the Hebrew word nephesh hayyah) see link http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=582 bye

On the personal level he deceives. On the biological level we are sinners, as we were born in sin due to Adam's fall. We each must fight our own battles, calling on the Lord when we are pulled toward indulging our sinful nature. The Gospel helps us avoid such circumstances by listing evils that lie awaiting our self indulgent nature. How much power does Satan have? Too much to list in any ordinary post. He personally was an angel of light. quote: "The name Lucifer literally means “bearer of light.” God gave him the ability to choose between good and evil. He was a bright, shining individual, but He chose evil, and what motivated his choice was his pride. " link: https://www.lwf.org/daily-treasures/posts/satan-the-angel-of-light Then add in the added level of his fallen angels, ie. demons and you can not fathom his capacity to do harm. Thank God we have his protection and care against such an adversary.