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Jeff, I do believe you are on to something when you recognize Gnostic teachings, and I'd insert even Calvinist doctrine, in certain arguments in these type topics. This excerpt is to give context to the whole body of the article as imputed righteousness is repeatedly referred to by some. And wrongly, as the subject of this discussion is condemned over and over again using that term. One that is often used to defend once saved always saved teachings. As if one can deny Christ after claiming they've been saved and still be saved and afforded the reward after life that awaits those in Christ. The View of Imputed Righteousness That Goes Way Beyond Scriptural Bounds 2 Corinthians. 5:21: "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." Much can be said about this verse, but suffice to say, the gnostics would teach that sin is a substance and can be transferred from one person to the next. Sin is not a substance, it has to do with moral choices. The Bible describes sin as a transgression against His law and conscience (1 John 3:4; James 4:17). What the gnostics would have us believe is that Jesus literally became sin itself. Jesus couldn't because He knew no sin. He was always undefiled and still undefiled. He was not guilty because He was not a transgressor of the Law. If sins were imputed to Him as the gnostics would have us believe, whether by own fault or imputation, the guilty is still punished and would not be considered "suffering" as the Scriptures says He did. On the other hand, the gnostics, who have been busy for a very long time, would have us believe that Jesus made a "swap." Ungodly teachers like Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, John Piper, Chuck Swindoll, Erwin Lutzer, Tony Evans, John McAuthur, Pat Robertson, Ed Young, Billy Graham, Josh McDowell, John Ankerberg, etc. etc., really want us to believe this traditional teaching that has nothing to do with the Bible. This swap would look like this: We are to believe that whatever sin you or I committed or would have committed in the future, is all placed on him. Jesus did not become sin itself, the Bible is clear that he was a sin OFFERING. There was never a time, nor shall be, where Jesus will be found with sin. The Bible clearly tells us that Christ was an OFFERING for sin. (Isa. 53:10; Heb. 9:13-14; 9:28; 10:10). He was a SACRIFICE to God for a sweet -smelling aroma. (Eph. 5:1-2). These verses also affirm, Christ NEVER became sin on the cross, which means, when God viewed His Son on Calvary He saw NO sin. (Isa. 53:7; 53:9; Acts 8:32-33; Heb. 4:15; 1 Pe. 2:22-23). This being the case, there was NO exchange, magnificent transfer or imputation that took place on the cross! The Scripture declares, 'He (Jesus) was manifested to TAKE AWAY our sins, and IN Him is NO sin' (Matt. 1:21; 2 Co. 5:21; 1 Jn. 3:5)! This is why God could accept Christ precious blood and sin-offering as a sacrifice for the sins of the WORLD. (Lev. 22:20; Ex. 12:5; Jn. 1:29; 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 1:19; 2:24; 1 Jn. 2:2) The false teachers of yesterday and today would have us believe that "impute" means "transfer." NEVER. Please read very carefully what John the apostles says. Apparently he comes against this teaching of Jesus' righteousness imputed. "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." (1 John 3:7) The article in full:http://www.dividingword.net/ES Issues/View of imputed righteous that goes way beyond.html

A great story. Thank you for posting that here. I don't think the foundation of the blind is that in defense of personal tradition. I think the evidence points to something more insidious and like unto that which we hear of in scripture as committed enemy of the church. Which is of course all saved members in the body of Christ. I have known a great many people who identify as members of many a different tradition. And in the course of our chats they've demonstrated educated awareness of scripture, in context, that supports the foundation principles of their tradition. The light of Christ is unmistakably within them because there is no hatred for the others that may join in our circle of trust as we of many paths sit and talk together. We share, we learn of one another, and we all have one common characteristic among us. We are all in Christ. In retrospect I think of that group I join with here in my home. And as we travel one to the others homes cycling meeting weeks in that way so as each one of us accommodates the gathering in our living space. In that way it is reflective of the trust we all feel for one another because we share the same love of and for God and Jesus Christ. And as such we share our hospitality and our safe space too. Then I think of that which I encounter in this space. And I ask would any one of us invite it into our discussions? The weak point that would shout like mad to be heard as it would insist we are all wolves, we are all wrong, we are all not saved. We are all not righteous. We are all not infused with God's righteousness. We are all not proof of the wisdom in James that says faith without works is dead. Concluding with the insistence that it alone is all the things we are not by its judgment. I know that we would sit there if we did find a one such as that as a new arrival in our homes and realize that old saying stands in evidence before us, because I've shared with them what I've encountered in recent days. And we all agree that a righteous observation would hearken that old axiom of truth to repel its darkness; save for the grace of God there go I. That's what I recall when I see the repeated hymn of the obstinate damned.

Amen. I think what is insistent here is a combination of Gnostic Christianity, Calvinism, and the doctrine of once saved always saved. Piecemeal scriptures reckoning no actual foundation in the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Don't fret brother, those type don't have the power to condemn anyone to Hell. God doth watch over his own. And come the judgment such ones as that may be surprised after they die as to which of God's thrones they shall stand before and thus be held accountable for all their words against God's own. No manner of truth about Eastern Orthodox, that they are Christian, sinks into that which is stone hearted and determined against them. As if they are God and can judge who is of God. Blasphemy, arrogance, sin filled pride, and worst of all deep penetrating hate spurs that campaign forward. Were a member of the Orthodox church to enter here that fallen behavior thinking to target them for condemnation such as is in this thread speaking against the whole of the church itself, would result in discipline against the consistent offender and its cohorts. While what is apparent is that fallen behavior punishable against an individual is permissible against the whole of the church containing countless individuals. This isn't debate brother. This is a campaign of hate. Debate would afford a willingness to gain education for what demonstrates obstinate refusal for that thread after thread. Despite resource after resource being afforded to that end. Even those who are of the gracious heart hoping to afford that education so as to preclude the foolish profile that insists on making its self persistent in a community dedicated to Christ are attacked and labeled wolves for standing with Christ.

I would add to that righteous observation that all that carries the name of Christianity today is being targeted and assailed by a handful of that which is represented within that condemning statement. Enemies of the faith calling others wolves while howling against the church repeatedly and permissibly.

Please post those exact passages you've read.

Yes, I'm familiar with the Prodigal son story. The Prodigal story isn't about the prodigal. But quite frankly I'm not about being called bro, and I'm not about word games. Speak plain or please move on . Thank you brother.

Yes, I saw that. The older brother of the prodigal son was not happy with his return to their fathers land. Nor that his father had welcomed the younger brother, prodigal, with open arms and a celebration. That's why I was wondering how that story applies to what we're discussing here.

I do. How would you say that applies to the particulars of this thread discussion brother? Thank you. I am aware. Thank you sister.

What does God's word tell us? "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. " Mark 16:16 What indeed. Romans 2:1-29Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.

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Rare parchment manuscript of US Declaration of Independence found in England Two Harvard researchers have found only the second known parchment manuscript of America’s formative text in a West Sussex archive April 22, 2017 Fascinating. Especially the signatures in this copy being not as uniform as that of the Declaration of Independence so familiar to Americans.

Yes. Two Senators per State.

I fear for the American's being held captive in north Korea. Would Jung-un go so far as to kill them so as to back off President Trump? FOX April 25 North Korea celebrates as South Korea, US keep watch Trending in World 1North Korea reportedly conducts massive live-fire drill amid tensions 2US citizens held in North Korea see diminished hope of freedom amid rising tensions

Amen! As would I. That's the only way to curtail this nonsense. Fight rather than concede.

I knew a woman who worked for a company for over 20 years. A coworker she'd known for near as long reported her to HR because she complimented the nose job the woman had received during her vacation. The profile unmistakably altered and making the woman look like a whole other person. The simple compliment this woman gave caused her to be called to Human Resources after she'd received an alert on her screen to report. There were no questions asked. No clarification of intent, meaning yes, it was a simple compliment. And if the lady in question didn't appreciate compliments to the nose she herself didn't like enough to keep surgically unaltered, why is anyone being punished for a remark typically intended to boost self esteem? Instead, the woman was given an ultimatum. Resign of her own accord, clean out her desk, and the sexual harassment allegation wouldn't appear on her record so as to appear in background check as she sought other employment. Or, refuse and be fired and have it appear. Along with the fact she was fired for same sex sexual harassment. Guess which option she chose?

I think all things considered China knows if they had to take a side siding with Jung-un would be a mistake for a great many reasons. Maybe Jung-un is starting to believe the claim that he's divine. Now he see's himself as able to take on the worlds super powers and win. I think that would be a huge mistake in the game of axis and allies.

That's true.

How Fox News Fired and Silenced a Female Reporter Who Alleged Sexual Harassment By Gabriel Sherman July 23, 2016

Money. Or, it could be that there's someone behind this now that three women have achieved the resignations or firing of top people at Fox. And whomever could be behind this house cleaning is now targeting Hannity. I hope he does fight back. I know someone who works for State government. And they said they couldn't believe how easy it was to lose their job for the simplest things said. Innocent things. Like complimenting someone can be reported as sexual harassment. And in a zero tolerance work environment that's all it takes to lose a job. It's a shame we've come to this in this country. It's even happening among students on University and College campus. George Carlin once said, Political Correctness is Fascism cloaked as manners. I think he was on to something more than 20 years ago.

May not be for the future as pertains to military action concerning north Korea. But I think it a good thing that updates from Tillerson are being considered by all Senators on both sides of the aisle. I like the idea of bi-partisan consult here. Four top officials involved in the briefing of top secret intel on north Korea says something's likely to happen within weeks. Pray for our military.

I noticed old threads appearing in the new posts window but when I saw the date it was years prior. I understand topics being led off topic. I've participated in a few of those myself. I think the deliberate derailing so as to impart an atmosphere of hostility and thus forewarn others of what a thread is descending into tends to cause people to leave the thread. They just don't want to participate in such nonsense. I also keep forgetting that children are permitted on the forum. Then I am reminded of such when certain remarks appear. That is something to consider also. I've attended forums where there's an age minimum and children aren't typically present. Though of course there's no way to actually confirm the adult age bar that a new registrant must meet. I appreciate the advice other one.

We'll have to wait and see. I think this is good of President Trump to hope for a bipartisan congress concerning north Korea and the future steps that may be necessary. Rather than making a speech on the floor asking for bipartisan support on the record, he's bringing them in to likely show them intelligence the public wouldn't be privy to. A report surfaced last week saying Jung-un could have his own stockpile of nerve gas. Whether that is true I don't know. However, during the parade of weaponry in north Korea during their day of the sun celebration, it appeared that many of the missiles and rockets being hauled in the parade were fake. The tips of more than one missile seemed to be feeling the heat because even members of the press corp noticed they were curving a little . Jung-un would know of course what he really has in his arsenal. But that he's still making threats to unleash weapons of mass destruction if.... Is worthy of concern. He's demonstrated he's not exactly stable. It's like that old saying a friend of mine use to have. A crazy bloke off medication is scary . But a crazy bloke with a nuke is something to be watched. I admire Trump's inviting this meeting of Senators to the White house. It shows a willingness to work together for the common good of addressing the threat that Jung-un could present to the world. "The military might of a country represents its national strength. Only when it builds up its military might in every way can it develop into a thriving country." Kim Jung-un New Years speech January 1, 2013 The military might of a country represents its national strength. Only when it builds up its military might in every way can it develop into a thriving country. Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/k/kimjongun495478.html The military might of a country represents its national strength. Only when it builds up its military might in every way can it develop into a thriving country. Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/k/kimjongun495478.html

Psalm 109:17 He also loved cursing, so it came to him; And he did not delight in blessing, so it was far from him.