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  1. I have already mentioned how Muslims discount all of the gospels found in the Christian Bible. In Central and South American countries and the Caribbean where Islam is almost non-existent? In many African countries where Christians make up 95 to 100% of the population? You can't be serious. What about Ecuador? According to this chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country there are only 145 Muslims living in that country. Those 145 people have kept that country from thriving? I know it's wikipedia and the exact number is probably a few more than that, but come on now. You are just being silly now. I see now that you are someone who is going to blame everything wrong in the world on Islam and ignore facts. Either that, or you are just messing with me.
  2. You intentionally cut my quote short to make it look like I said something that I didn't. Below is my statement in full. "Yes, and with good reason. Paul is a self proclaimed apostle, he wasn't even appointed by the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام), much less God." It is God who gave us the Prophets. Paul never met Jesus before he ascended to God, so that makes Paul a self appointed apostle. We do not recognize the Book of Acts in Islam. How do you know this book is authentic? You need to travel more. Those are not considered third world countries, they are developing countries. It might also interest you to know that a vast majority of Christians live in developing countries and the countries with the highest percentage of Christians, especially in Africa, are some of the poorest and underdeveloped in the entire world. Is the Christian Bible holding those people back?
  3. We deny it because that is not what the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) taught. Evidence of this can be found in the four gospels found in the Christian Bible. The Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) taught obedience to the law, repentance, the coming resurrection/judgement, and the paradise awaiting those who do God's will on earth.
  4. Hi Deborah, So why do Christians not question Paul's account of how he received this new and different gospel? The Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) warned about evangelists like Paul in the Christian Bible. "Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name, saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them. Luke 21:8 Paul almost uses the exact same words, "the night is far gone, the day is at hand." Romans 13:12 The Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) also said: "Not one word will pass from the Law until heaven and earth pass." Matthew 5:18 But Paul says: "We are not under the law" Romans 6:14 "We are dead to the law" Romans. 7:4 "We are delivered from the law" Romans 7:6 But Heaven and Earth are still here. Why should Paul be trusted when the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) warned against people like him? Paul even contradicts the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) many times as well in the Christian Bible. As a Muslim, I choose to follow the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) who came to confirm the law rather than a man who teaches that is no longer applies. Man started corrupting the teachings of the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) shortly after he ascended to God's side, so as a Muslim I have to discern between what is written in the Christian Bible and what is found in the teachings of the Prophet Moses (عليه السلام). If there is something the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) said in the Christian Bible that contradicts what was said by the Prophet Moses (عليه السلام), then it is thrown out. Even if I have doubts about what is written in the Qur'an, I am to go back to the words of the Prophet Moses (عليه السلام) for confirmation. So in Islam, when something is read, it must be complimented by the words spoken by the Prophets that preceded the Prophet Muhammad (عليه السلام). There are checks and balances in Islam, and the teachings of Paul do not pass the test. Same with most of the other writers found in the Christian Bible. This is even true with many of the Hadiths found in Islam. Many have been determined to be fake or frauds because they do not pass the tests through the lineage of all the Prophets.
  5. That's easy to explain, you apparently don't interact with Muslims very often, and you are unaware of the many Muslim countries and communities that are very modern and advanced.
  6. Yes, and with good reason. Paul is a self proclaimed apostle, he wasn't even appointed by the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام), much less God. Which brings me back to this question. The Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) said: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Heaven and Earth are still here, so according to the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) in the Christian Bible, and also in Islam, we are to continue following God's law and remain obedient to God's words. In fact, in the Christian Bible the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) makes it very clear that to inherit eternal life you must keep the Law of the Prophet Moses (عليه السلام). None of God's prophets taught what Paul in the Christian Bible does. The prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) warned of false teachers that would come after him, so why do you and so many other Christians trust Paul's teachings over what the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) taught? The Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) Says The Law Continues, But Paul Says No
  7. You don't have to pretend anything to answer questions, I was just using that wording in hopes we could move away from me and Islam, and on to discussing Christianity.
  8. You apparently believe the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) and Paul shared the same gospel. Do you just choose to ignore that Paul claims to have his own gospel in the Christian Bible?
  9. I asked you earlier to pretend that this thread doesn't exist so that we can move on and address some of the questions I have of your faith, but I see you are not intent on doing that.
  10. Have you even read the Christian Bible? The teachings of the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) and Paul are much different. Why would Paul claim it is his Gospel he is sharing and not the Gospel of the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام). Paul himself says he has his own gospel. It is not the same gospel that the Prophet Jesus shared. The Christian Bible is makes it clear that Paul taught a different gospel.
  11. Are my questions to you about Christianity to difficult for you? You continue to put effort into trying to discredit me, but you ignore my legitimate questions to you.
  12. What other way could anyone take it? I asked: Where is the Prophet Muhammad's error? The Christian Bible confirms that even God uses deceit. Then I gave the following verses as examples: Your answer was: So does the God in the Christian Bible use deceit or not?
  13. I not only think before I reply to a comment, I also pray. Up until I came across the comment in this thread where a member said that they wished all Muslims spend and eternity in hell, I was enjoying reading the various threads on here that pertained to Christianity. I have asked the question below more than once in this thread, but it has never really been answered. "What would you do if someone made a post wishing that you, your family, and many people you love to burn in hell forever simply because you believe differently than they do? Would you defend your faith, yourself and your loved ones, or would you just ignore it?" I only gave two options, but there are actually three. When I saw that hateful comment, I could have done one of the following things. A. Say something hateful in return to the poster (An eye for an eye). B. Defend myself and my faith (Educate). C. Ignore the comment. I chose B. As a Muslim, I am to love others as I love myself. It is painful for me to see someone have so much hate for their fellow man that they would wish them and eternity in hell. This is not what God wants for any of His people, and as a believer in God and as one who was given His spirit when He made me, it was out of love for the person that made that comment that I tried to educate them about what I as a Muslim believe and the Islamic faith. Unfortunately that person continued to condemn me, so I had no choice but to turn the matter over to God in prayer. Since then I have continued to try and explain my faith here to others, but my words seem to be in vain. I will never understand why some people ignore the words coming from someone like myself and choose to believe a false narrative that was created by evil men. You even said you have "been around the track" with other Muslims as if this were some kind of contest for you. That is very sad. It is not a game, and many people both Christians and Muslims are being hurt because of ignorance. The Prophet Jesus said blessed are those who make peace. I was trying to bring peace not only to the person's heart who condemned me to hell, but also to those who have such a misunderstanding about the faith I choose to follow. It's your choice to believe what you want, and you can slander my religion all you want by cherry picking verses out of context, but in doing this you are coming across as being hypocritical and arrogant. The Prophet Jesus according to the Christian Bible taught to judge righteously which is also a tenet of Islam. I have pointed out where the same mud some are slinging at Muslims and Islam can be found in their own teachings and prophets. From the violent commands God gave in the past, violent wars and crimes, to the Prophet Muhammad marrying a young girl. Christianity and Christians have experience with these things as well. If Christians want to reach out to people of other faiths, especially those who follow Islam, they first need to take the beam out of their own eye before they point out the grain of sand in another's. This doesn't apply to all Christians of course, most Christians do display love, kindness, and tolerance, but there seems to be a minority that have become self righteous as evidence of this can be found in this thread.
  14. I was looking for more examples to give you and came across this study. "Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%)." http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html The actual study can be found here. I haven't read it all yet, but it looks interesting. http://odintext.com/blog/textanalysisbible2of3/ I am not trying to discredit the Christian Bible in sharing this, I just find it interesting that the content contained in the two are so similar.
  15. Muslims believe that there is one true God. The same God as Israel, and the same God Christians worship. You are the first Christian I have ever came across that said the God of Israel is not the Christian God and who totally dismisses the Old Testament. In Islam, the words of the Prophet Moses (عليه السلام) who is also found in your Old Testament, the Prophet Jesus (عليه السلام) who is also found in your New Testament, and the words of the Prophet Muhammad (عليه السلام) in the Qur'an, are of equal importance. We can not pick and choose which ones to follow. It's either all or none and part of being obedient to God.
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