R. Hartono
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16 hours ago, farouk said:
What do you make of the historical background to the poem on the Statue of Liberty?
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free', by Emma Lazarus.
Very interesting bro
But sources are limited and nothing last forever. Population multiplies like rabbits and in the end people will bite each other in Fierce competition for food, jobs, houses, education, medics, etc. One bread for a man is death for another.
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13 hours ago, FJK said:
A Chip can be removed, but if my understanding is correct the Mark cannot be removed. Once taken it will be permanent.
I'm beginning to believe it will -or at least may- be something biological in nature, something that will become integral to our body and irremovable once taken. And it will be physical in nature, not symbolic, since Revelation 16:2 says those who have accepted it will be afflicted by painful sores (which are physical results from it).
Thieves can cut the hand or plucked the head to steal the Mark for payment
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3 hours ago, FJK said:
I'm not sure they are of a nature that relate the votes they cast to the results they end up getting.
I heard that my far relative who immigrated to US has become a CPA and US citizen now. One bread for a man is death for another.
This nation is overpopulated with young generation and unemployment. People seek jobs overseas.
Sorry about that.
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 20%3A14&version=KJV
The Book of Genesis did not mention the creation of hell and paradise, such as mentioned in the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich was tortured and Lazarus is comforted at paradise part.
Fallen angels are also jailed in prison.
https://www.bible.com/bible/1/JUD.1.6-7.KJV
When did God create it ?
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31 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:
For one,there is no global persecution. The persecution just before the time of the end is only in the kingdom of the beast.
Second,all one has to do is to believe Christ died for their sins and confess and be baptized in the holy spirit and they will be saved.
It's not the unbelieving that are left behind.The unbelievers are gathered first and cast into the fire.The fire being the cause of great tribulation.
Mathew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
No one is gathered before the harvest and the weeds are gathered first.
https://www.bibleref.com/Matthew/3/Matthew-3-12.html
The wheat is gathered first.
Matt 3:12 His winnowing fork is in His hand and He will clear His threshing floor and gather His wheat into the barn, but the chaff will be burnt with unquenchable fire.
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 3%3A10&version=KJV
At circa 85 AD Jesus warned about the coming Great Tribulation that will test the whole unbelieving world. He called it the HOUR of Trial. Not just the trial.
How could the left behind be saved from the destruction of 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials ?
https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/293940-the-7-apocalyptic-trumpets/
Adding to that there will be global persecution of people who refuse to worship the beast and refuse to receive its 666 Mark shall be killed. Billions might perished.
Any chance of salvation and safety ?
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People around the globe might watch the aod as well, its in cellphone and TV but God could not tell it exactly for nobody knew it.
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On 7/28/2023 at 8:00 PM, Who me said:
In God's economy of action he only uses miracles when there is either a reason for a miracle or no other physical or human bases for action.
So God used the Israeli test to execute his judgement on Jericho, just as various nations were used to punish Isreal.
Thanks for your opinion.
Imho its because the Jericho people made so bloody hostility with the Hebrew, they didnt give the chance for the Hebrew to pass and continue and wanted the Hebrew die. And as that bloody arrogancy that they choose then they must be destroyed personally by the Hebrew's hand. God is wise, this is about nation against nation. Unlike Sodom and Gomorra. And you don't raise children of your enemies as they will betray and take revenge.
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The bitter water of Marah was simply the literal picture of the Jews' bitter rejection of Almighty God Elohim leadership.
The water revealed their hearts.
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The Hebrew were commanded to kill all inhabitants of Jericho even children.
Why God didn't destroy Jericho with fire like Sodom and Gomorra, but instead borrowing men's hand to cleanse those wicked people He created ?
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Its the falling away time now as Paul has said it.
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On 7/24/2023 at 12:20 AM, Mary8 said:
On July 26, 2023, the Fast of 9th of Av begins in the evening at sundown and goes through July 27.
Two Jewish temples were destroyed on the day of the 9th of Av. It is a day that the Lord has emphasized by those two events.
This fast marks the end of the harvest of grain, the wheat that was planted in the spring. (One wheat crop is planted in the autumn and winters over and is harvested in spring about Pentecost.) Jesus said "four months" and then cometh the harvest. John 4:35.
Should the Rapture occur around that time of Tish b'Av, some Jewish people might realize that it would be the fulfillment of Scripture,
Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.
Three verses prior: Jeremiah 8:17 For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.
That would fulfil what Jesus said in
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
I looked to see to whom Jesus was saying this. 7 times in Mathew 23 Jesus spells it out: "scribes and Pharisees."
My heart is heavy that Jeremiah's words in 8:20 point to the time when all who have not received Christ will realize "summer is ended and we are not saved." Soon they will face the Tribulation.
I had not noticed until about July 16 that Jeremiah has a prophecy that the Lord said that serpents will be sent and bite, nor that Jesus was pointing to the fulfillment by His words in Matthew.
Praying that the eyes of Jesus' people will see that Jesus is the remedy for the snake's bite, like Nehushtan, the bronze serpent on the pole that when looked at cured the snake bite in the days of Moses. Jesus was made to be sin for us. Also, how this would point to the fact that the believers in Jesus are the temples of God.
2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.Nobody knows the rapture date, not as easy as they say.
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On 7/24/2023 at 4:44 AM, FJK said:
Why does it seem like everybody in the world is openly getting ready to sling nukes at each other over the past couple of years when it used to be just an unspoken background threat that was used to keep each other in check?
What will happen in the next one hundred years if God doesnt stop man ? Space travel at the speed of light ? Seeking other planets to rob and expand destruction ? Or may be only mutant rats and roach left on earth after nuclear war.
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2 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:
In Eden, there was no need for gold-or currency. And when we get to heaven we will no longer need it. The need for currency didn't come into place until the fall.
In Eden Adam and eve needed nothing. They had eternal life and a endless supply of food.
After the fall, death came into the world, our diets changed and the law of entropy was created. I suspect, in the early days again, no currency was needed. Being a small family they probably shared.
But as the population grew, things naturally would start to change. Resources would start being used up faster as the population increased, it would take more work to keep everyone fed and sheltered. And everyone couldn't do everything.
Well, share and share alike, i.e. socialism only works in two places, hell where no one wants it, and heaven where it's not needed.
In order for an economy to grow people need an incentive to do something, a goal to strive for. It probably started out as bartering....fruit for meat, wool clothes for a wagon, stuff like that.
But over time a more equal system would need to be out in place. If you had a goat but needed a tent, but absolutely no one around you needed a goat, good luck trading for a tent.
But, a currency fixes that problem. If there's something everyone wants and can use to spend on anything, then that makes it valuable. So if you have a goat and need a tent, and no one needs a goat you can instead give them gold for it which they can use for anything else they want/need.
And I suspect in the early days they didn't need a lot of mining... after all even in the US during the early gold rushes, oftentimes gold could be found easily by panning the streams or even in some places just picking it up.
And as society advanced, things like tools to mine with will go with it. Mankind is creative, if they have a need for something they will figure it out. God created us that way.
Gold is just rare and shiny enough to be valuable to a lot of people, while still remaining plentiful enough to allow use as a currency. And, especially in the olden days much easier to mine then other precious metals or fine jewels.
But, that doesn't mean it was the only one. I mean, fine jewels have always been found as valuable to most cultures, both modern and ancient.
Even the American Indians, who relied on bartering, and didn't really have a currency found some things more valuable then others. Turquoise is one. Horses actually became a sort of currency for them after the Spaniards brought them over.
Every culture assigned values to different objects or animals, be it a currency type culture or a bartering culture you need an assigned value to effectively work. It wasn't always gold...gold's just been the most popular.
Thats interesting about American Indian civilization, did they ever make metal tools ?
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3 hours ago, BeyondET said:
Even produce and livestock.
Was there any idea of mining gold for barter in Eden ? That they dig the gold ? And without tools ?
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3 minutes ago, ayin jade said:
Value is determined by the worth people place on it, not by printed money. Ancient civilizations placed values on various things from salt and spices to certain stones, to silver and gold.
Yeah, Earliest Civilization use gold and silver to buy and sell. There was no inflation and you cannot orchestrate financial turmoil like Soros did in South East Asia 1998, he made big money and most bloody turmoil in this nation.
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Sukkoth and the birthday of Lord Jesus
in Christian History
Posted · Edited by R. Hartono
https://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Christmas/christmas.html#loaded
https://news.kehila.org/yeshuas-true-birthday-is-the-feast-of-succoth/
The first temple built by Solomon was opened on Sukkoth. It was a prophetic date.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Kings 8&version=KJV
Zechariah 14:16-19 explains that the Feast of Sukkoth must be celebrated during the coming Jesus Millennium, its a secret revealed to us because this might be the birthday of Jesus as well, not on 25 December.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah 14&version=KJV
Therefore Lord Jesus was :
-Conceived at Hanukkah
-Born on Sukkoth
-Sacrificed Himself on Passover
-Pourdown Holy Spirit since Pentecost and is still doing so.
Thats have been Godly planned not just coincidence.