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What sin and shame do you confess Willa that you do, if they are too shameful how would you confess your sins one to another ? What fruit did we have in those things we are now ashamed of ? The end of those things is death, if they are not shameful enough so you can continue in them, then either they are not shameful as God put it, or they are not shameful to you as the conscience does not mind ? If a person sins they have never known Him not seen Him, so how do you say you simply confess again ? What law is in the heart that breaks the law Willa ? Remember Willa, your posting on the osas thread was that we are no longer under the law, here you post scripture that I will put my laws into your heart, make your mind up which you want it to be ? Ezekiel 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God. Romans 2: 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Romans 2: 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

The first thing to say to Jesus is what He has told us to already say... After you have done all those things which are commanded us to say, we are unprofitable servants, we have done that which was our duty to do.... Luke 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? 8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? 9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. The truly unprofitable servant however, shall be cast into outer darkness, because he did nothing with what the Lord had given him, to be for the good of others. Then speaking of exactly that, the goats and sheep are divided with that same judgement just told, the ones who had the Holy Spirit visited those in need, they fed the hungry, they clothed the naked, they took the stranger in, they had the Lords compassion on all and to the Lord then. The ones who made no increase, had nothing to increase with. They had no mercy and compassion everywhere, they did it when convenient, they did not show the Lords great love everywhere, they saved their lives for themselves, and were not saved by the Lord. Both the sheep and goats say the same to the Lord then, is told already, they say when saw we thee... Matthew 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Someone here said silence was best, how right they are. The wedding ready, but they who were bidden were not worthy. Good and bad are called to this wedding then, and one got in who did not have a wedding garment(dressed in white) He was asked, how did you get in ? He was speechless! Many are called,, but few are chosen.. Matthew 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. 9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. 10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Charity never fails, prophecies fail, tongues, knowledge, but that which is perfect has come and given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and in Him that is true, even in Jesus Christ, no more to prophecy, no more to talk in an unknown tongue, all is made known, and the knowledge of the Holy is understanding.. 1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. The earth and king went against the Lord and His Christ already, that battle was done and the Lord won. He set HIs King upon HIs Holy hill of Zion. This is the victory and this is the KIng on HIs throne: I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Acts 4:5 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

Satan is busy trying to scare us with gloom and doom thoughts, in an effort to discourage us Here look satan is busy trying to make us remember what we did, to make us lothe ourselves in our own sight, for our wicked ways when we were defiled, and remember our own ways which weere evil, and were not good, and lothe ourselves in our own sight for our iniquities and our abominations, and be ashamed and confounded for our own ways, in the day the Lord has cleansed us from all our iniquities(through Christ) Ezekiel 20:43 And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed. 44 And ye shall know that I am the Lord when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord God. Ezekiel 36:31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. 32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel. 33 Thus saith the Lord God; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. Read the words for the first time in your lives, do you think being antichrist i being for Christ at the same time ? God establishes the everlasting covenant, then we remember our ways, and be ashamed, and the Lord establishes His covenant with us and then we know that He is the Lord. That we remember and be confounded and never open ou moth any more( for ever) because of our shame, when the Lord is pacified towards us, for all that we have done, and that is us all.. Ezekiel 16:60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant. 61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant. 62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord: 63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord God. For when we were the servant of sin, we were free from righteousness, what fruit had we in those things that we remember and are now ashamed of ? For the end of those things is death an that is why we remember them for ever in shame. But being made free from sin by the covenant of Christ written in the heart, we become servants of God, and we have our fruit to holiness, and the end everlasting life. But the people here, and in the whole world think they have everlasting life without doing as the Lord wills, like being paid your salary without doing your job, who thinks that's how it works in Heaven ? The wages of sin is death, and the wages of holiness everlasting life.. Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Now you people can decide if this is the Lords teaching or satans as johnbaptist here, thinks remembering our pasts is satans way for doom and gloom and look at the shame on the ones who have supported this way of "teaching" which is against the Lords true testimonies that are EVERLASTING.. 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

"Psalm 119:11 "Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee." Thy WORD (God's) have I hid, not thy BIBLE word. A large amount of people are/were saved without a bible. (for several hundreds of years)" "The Lord is my God and my strength, as the word I hid in my heart tells me." Psalm 119:11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. It is correct, the Lord judges on Judgement day who is saved, was saved, a man is presumptious and speaks as if he knows anything.. 2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him. Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. As for hiding the word in the heart, it is so we sin not against the Lord, not very well hidden when we still sin. Psalm 119:21 Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments. Do these show sinning or show it is prevented, don't bother looking at them, they cant be for you right ? Psalms 119:35-40 Make me to go in the path of thy commandments,for therein do i delight,incline my heart to thy testimonies and not to coveteousness,turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity,and quicken thou me in thy way,stablish thy word unto thy servant,who is devoted to thy fear:for thy judgements are good.Behold i have longed for thy precepts:quicken me in thy righteousness.119:44.Take not thy word utterly out of my mouth,so shall i keep thy law continually for ever and ever.17:4 By the word of thy lips i have kept me from the paths of the destroyer. 119:66 Teach me continually good knowledge and judgement:for i have believed thy commandments.119:18 Open thou mine eyes,that i may behold wondrous things out of thy law.119:73 Give me understanding that i may learn thy commandments.119:102-103 I have not departed from thy judgements:for thou hast taught me,how sweet are thy words to my taste,yea,sweeter than honey to my mouth!119:117-120 Hold thou me up and i shall be safe:and i will have respect unto thy statutes continually.Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes:for their deceit is falsehood.Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross:therefore i love thy testimonies.My flesh trembleth for fear of thee,and i am afraid of thy judgements.119:126 It is time for thee lord to work:for they have made void thy law.119:127 I love thy commandments above gold,yea above fine gold.Therefore i esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right and i hate every false way.119:140 Thy word is pure therefore thy servant loveth it.119:142/151 Thy law is the truth.All thy commandments are truth.119:144 The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting:give me understanding and i shall live.119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning! and every one of thy righteous judgements endureth forever.119:162 My heart standeth in awe of thy words,as one that findeth great spoil. "This enables me to recognize His targets He shows me, so I have a greater ability to hit the mark, His target. And sin (miss mark) less. This also enables me to focus on abiding, in fellowship (my heart condemns me not), in the true vine, Jesus." Did Christ give teaching anywhere in your bible to sin less ? Surely they are only your words and not the word of the Lord ? 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. "I'm not a robot, gordon. I sin. So do you, as I have seen. I choose to sin or not. God shows me the way, not forces the way. I make the choice. So do you." When the law of Christ is writtn in the heart, what happens, choosing to sin, or God chose us to sin not ? Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. "I transgress, you transgress, gordon. We both transgress. sin. 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, ''and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ'', hath not God. A sin is a transgression against God." A sin is a transgression against God and against man who is made in the image of God and sin is the transgression of the law( of Christ) You quoted again that whoever transgresses and abides not in the doctrine of Christ has not God, yet claim you have Him anyway, contrary to His own words, which you also claim you have in your heart. The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression.. Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart,that there is no fear of god before his eyes.for he flattereth himself in his own eyes.until his iniquity be found to be hateful.The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit Psalm 36:1-4 The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart,that there is no fear of god before his eyes.for he flattereth himself in his own eyes.until his iniquity be found to be hateful.The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit:he hath left off to be wise and to do good.He deviseth mischief,he setteth himself in a way that is not good,he abhorreth not evil Whosoever commit sin transgresses also the law.. 1 John 3:4 Whosoever commit sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 2 John 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresses and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God, abide in the doctrine of Christ to have the son and the father. James If ye have respect unto persons ye commit sin and you are convinced of the law as transgressors,.. James 2:10-12 If ye have respect unto persons ye commit sin and you are convinced of the law as transgressors, for whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point he is guilty of all. Every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward... Hebrews 2:2 Every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward, so how shall we escape if neglect so great a salvation? Acts 1:25 The son of perdition Judas fell by transgression. Ezekiel 20:38 I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me.

Do people prefer light or darkness ? Darkness is the answer, as Christ told u, walk while ye have light, lest darkness come upon you...John 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. I can teach from the Lords testimony about harlots too. The beginning of Jerusalem, thy father an Amorite and mother an Hittite. They were polluted in their blood, and the Lord said into them live. The Lord multiplied them, and the Lord covered their nakedness, and gave a covenant to them, and they were His. Then the Lord washed them and anointed them, and covered them finely with silk and ornaments and they ate fine flour honey and oil, made beautiful and prospered into a kingdom. But thy trusted in their own beauty, and played the harlot because of their stature, and took the colours the Lord had graciously given and played the harlot on them, and made images of men and commited whoredom with them, and even took the fine flour and oil the Lord gave and set it before these images. Also they took the sons and daughters born to the Lord and sacrificed them, and it shall come to pass because of all their whoredoms, WOE, WOE unto them.. Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite. 4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all. 5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born. 6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. 7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare. 8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine. 9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil. 10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk. 11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck. 12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. 13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom. 14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God. 15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. 16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so. 17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them, 18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them. 19 My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord God. 20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter, 21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them? 22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood. 23 And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord God;) Ezekiel 23:35 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast forgotten me, and cast me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms. Israel played the harlot with many lover, yet the Lord said return unto me. Yet they had a whores forehead, they refused to be ashamed and had cast the Lord behind their back.. Jeremiah 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the Lord. 2 Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness. 3 Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed. So the Lord told Hosea to do just like Israel, to go and take a wife of whoredoms, and the Lord said to them, they are not His people and He will not be their God, yet the children of Israel will be as the sand of the sea, and in the same place, Jerusalem, it will be told to them, they are the sons of the Living God(The new people born avenging the blood on Jehu/Israel).. Hosea 1:2 The beginning of the word of the Lord by Hosea. And the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the Lord. 3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son. 4 And the Lord said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel. Hosea 1:9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. 11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel. Then Israel as the harlot said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread, but God through Isaiah said, why labour for that which satisfies not, hearken dilligently unto Him, and eat what is good, labour not for the meat that perishes, but the bread that endures unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you.. Isaiah 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. Hosea 2:5 For their mother hath played the harlot: she that conceived them hath done shamefully: for she said, I will go after my lovers, that give me my bread and my water, my wool and my flax, mine oil and my drink. For Hosea again, go love yet an adulteress, beloved of her friend as the Lord loved Israel adulterous and a harlot, who look to other gods, then Hosea bought her and told her through the Lord, you shall abide for me many days, you shall not play the harlot, and you shall not be for another man, so I will be for you. So the children of Israel had many days exiled, then they retuern and seek the Lord their God, and David their King(Christ) and shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.. Hosea 3:1 Then said the Lord unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the Lord toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine. 2 So I bought her to me for fifteen pieces of silver, and for an homer of barley, and an half homer of barley: 3 And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee. 4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: 5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days. Israel drank of that same Spiritual rock, Christ, God was not pleased with many of them, and they are our examples for intent that we should not lust after evil things as they lusted, nor be idolaters as they say down to eat and drink and rose up to play, nor commit fornication, as they commited and fell dead in one day twenty three thousand, nor tempt Christ as they tempted, and were destroyed of serpents, nor murmur as they murmured/complained/whispered, and were destroyed of the destroyer(from the Lord) These happened for examples, written for admonition, so if you think you stand take heed lest you also fall, but the whisperers are here in the end, full of envy and debate, coveteousness, backbiters, proud, inventing evil discussions and show their disobedience.. 1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Was it any good what a harlot did to invite Jesus to her house, or it was Jesus we see that invited us to His house? We see it was He only, that stopped us being harlots serving other gods, doing only evil, we did not one bit of good, but if we continue in that way, we have the same reprobate mind, especially if we hear fools gladly. The kings of the earth commited fornication with the great whore which is this entire world, this is the lesson the Lord has told us in His own words of these things, not somebody's convenient invented story, or the empty talks people have when they should be warning admonishing each other before their souls are gone, but the same happened to Israel as told, they would not hear no matter what and continued doing their way until thy were no more. So the whore is decked in purple and scarlet, with gold and precious stones, and drinks her cup, as she ate her bread from her lovers, she drinks damnation and not life, and all drink of that cup with her on earth, she also was responsible for the blood of the marty's of Jesus, and of every righteous blood shed on the earth in Christ, and all on earth see his world only, and wonder after it, as their names are not written in the book of life form the foundation of the world worshipping the beast and they are not with it(dead).. Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

"No, JESUS is not only a Spirit, absolutely. GOD sent JESUS in flesh and bones, and He came in flesh and bones and was crucified, and resurrected with the same body He was buried, appeared unto His disciples in flesh and bones after His resurrection, He ate fish and honey before His disciples, and later yet with the same resurrected body He ascended to the third Heaven in flesh and bone and His disciples did see Him in flesh and bone ascending to Heaven." Jesus Christ was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spitit, as the flesh profits nothng Jesus taught us, HIs words being Spirit and life. Received up to glory, and the Son of man was always in Heaven.. John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Then Christ is in us, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, the second man is a quickening Spirit, and Christ gathers in Himself all that is on earth and Heaven... John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Angels spirits and we become equal to them spirits.. Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Quickened by HIs Spirit that dwells in us, God dwelling in us, joined to the Lord one Spirit, there is one body and one Spirit, God sent forth the Spirit of HIs Son into our hearts(Spirit Son) God is a Spirit, the Spirit throne of God and the Lamb, the Word Christ is also the sword of the Spirit.... Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Salvation through the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, no confidence in the flesh worshipping in Spirit, rejoicing in Christ Jesus, the Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit, and the Spirit(Christ) and the bride((new Jerusalem) say come, and let him who hears say come.. Philippians 1:19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 2 Timothy 4:22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen. Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

The salvation of your souls, of which salvation the prophets enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace to come, searching what and what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them signified, testifying beforehand of the sufferings of Christ and the glory to follow. Revealed unto them, that they ministered these things to us after them, which the angels desire to look into and cannot, be sober and hope for the grace to be brought at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. 10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. 13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; Here is a more sure word of testimony for this ending time, knowing first, nobody who privately interpretes the scriptures are being moved by the Holy Ghost, as the prophecy came not in old times by the will of men, (such as men here keep discussing and debating) but Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost to show those suffering of Christ and the fulfilment of them.. 2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Here is that sure word, there were also false prophets among the people, at the same time as those Holy men of God giving the prophecy as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. There at the end shall be false prophets among us, bringing in damnable heresies, (teaching what they know not)1 Timothy 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm...Titus 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. Many follow their pernicious presumptious ways, by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of, and through coveteousness with feigned words make merchandise of you, and we see we do it not, to worship men: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy... 2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

It is one way to remember our Lord, in the blood, that is not in joy or happiness or safety security, it is in reality, who He suffers for does not forget His suffering, they remember literally very second in their conscience to Him, and for people who drink or eat unworthily, they drink damnation, and the devil wants us to do what then ? To examine ourselves and be serious when drinking the Lords blood in memory of Him, or to take it lightly and all of this life lightly and so we can be damned along with him.. Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 1 Corinthians 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. 2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

The most simplest terms, when Christ died, He cannot be held in death, and when He died, death was destroyed. This is joy, as He overcame the world. WE too if in Him, overcome the world, overcome death, and we be with Him where He is, in eternal life, and that eternal life is in us, so we cant o very far when we die, as we never see death, for all live unto Him.. John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. 1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him. Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

The total mystery of Godliness, 1. seen made known in the earth, 2. justified in the Spirit, 3. seen of angels. 4. preached unto the Gentiles, 5. believed on in the world, 6. received up into glory.. Mysteriously, all of these testimonies come together through the written word.. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1. 1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 2. 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 3. Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. 4. Romans 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. 5. John 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him. 6. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Several hundred years ago men got bibles, but that did not mean they were saved. Catholics persecuted protestants to torture and death and protestants did the same, from the king down to every man below him. It is only your claim they were saved, you cannot back up your claim. Proverbs 29:12 If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked. "Yes, I agree, a changed heart will help to draw upon the strength of God, who is my strength. But, (FOR ME) I do what God's word say for us to do, I hide His word (remember/memorize) in my heart/mind/memory. This enables me to recognize His targets He shows me, so I have a greater ability to hit the mark, His target. And sin (miss mark) less. This also enables me to focus on abiding, in fellowship (my heart condemns me not), in the true vine, Jesus." It is wrong again, we have the Lord in us, not to help draw strength from the Lord, but the Lord is a very present help in time of need, He dwells in us and we in Him.. Psalm 46:1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. We are not enabled to hit targets the Lord shows us by memorizing His words, as people are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.. 2 Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. We have no greater ability to hit the target, as the ability only comes when the Lord is in control of us, and we allow HIs Sirit to talk through us, not we ourselves.. Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. It makes no difference if a person sins less, if they abide in the doctrine of Christ they have both the Son and the Father, if they transgress they have neither the Son nor the Father and are antichrist.. 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. 1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Fellowship is when we abide in the light even as He is in the light.. To not abide in darkness but in the light. Loving our brother means we abide in the light, with no occasion of stumbling in us. If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another(not hating and sinning against another instead) and the blood of Christ cleans us from all sin. He is our propitiation for our sins and those of the whole world, and we know Him if we keep His commandments, if we say we know Him and keep not His commandments we lie, no truth in us yet, but if we keep His word the love of God is perfected in us(He does not do imperfect love) If a man then walks in the day they stumble not(sin not against another) but if man still walks in the night in darkness they stumble, because there is no light( no Christ in them) When your eye is single your self is full of light, when your eye is evil, you are full of only darkness, take heed that what you call light is not darkness, as your whole body needs to be full of light with no part of darkness(no hatred or sin ever against anyone as Christs way).. John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. Luke 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light. This also is the condemnation.. John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. 3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

"Why would God send people to Hell if the people had no choice but to go to Hell. Why why would a loving God do that? Your reasoning demands such a result and is therefore absurd - God would never do that. No amount of scripture you quote would ever reconcile this consequential result. How could God want all people to repent (2Peter 3:9), but if people have zero control over the matter, why would God send most to Hell when He wants them ALL to repent (2Peter 3:9)? Is God at war with Himself? If we have no choice, no control, then it is completely up to God to make everybody repent since He wants all to repent, and yet He is going to send people to Hell. Reconcile this. " You refuse to listen, I know why that is. But I answer anyway, the people without loving hearts hate blessing, they love cursing, we all find what we re, is given into the world it is don, and cant be undone. God does want all to repent, all who are His, it is good to trust in that, as I do, if I go to hell, I deserve it, as I only think in evil lying termns, if I end up there. God is just, and every man is a liar, that is the case, it is not fair otherwise just for Pharoah to end up destroyed and all his host, and for Judas to go to perdition, so this is the case for everyone who also hates and never knows what love is, never knows the Lord God. Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. You say my line of thinking is wrong, but you have your own guesses and opinions, and the scriptures are not of private interpretations, concentrate on your career, which is against the Lords commandments and fulfills your self testimonies.. Luke 14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. Mark 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

" When people do evil long enough, God gives them over to delusion and evil:" Without Christ in people, they are already given over to a reprobate mind, we are born with it.. Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

"Regardless of whether they repented or not, Jesus gave them the chance by warning them "unless YOU repent." There is ZERO point in warning somebody to repent if they don't actually have the will to repent. Read that again." Faith gives us repenting, the Spirit of truth, the heart of flesh, the mind of Christ, it is the faith of Christ, and then they repent. Jesus did not only warn them thy will perish if they do not repent, He is establishing the judgement of the Lord on earth now, how all men are commanded to repent , but the wicked hear not rebuke.. Proverbs 13:1 A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke. Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. Proverbs 13:1 A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke. Proverbs 15:5 A fool despiseth his father's instruction: but he that regardeth reproof is prudent. Proverbs 23:24 The father of the righteous shall greatly rejoice: and he that begetteth a wise child shall have joy of him. Proverbs 28:7 Whoso keepeth the law is a wise son: but he that is a companion of riotous men shameth his father. Where does this wise son come from ? Psalm 111:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever. Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. It is only those who have the fear of the Lord, and nobody has this, we need it written into the heart and is the new covenant.. Jeremiah 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. Who are the fools who despise wisdom and instruction of the Lord? 1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not manywise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not manynoble, are called:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. All so far is completely without mans even understanding, and that is the main part Kevin, you cant possibly understand what you are talking about, and that is not personal, nobody can unless given to understand and agree instead of dispute, and where is the disputer now ?. 1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

" It's not that God chose us without consideration given to our free will of choice. My point is that a person is not arbitrarily chosen by God to be saved without any choice given to the person as to whether or not he/she wants to accept God. And that's important because if a person is chosen (and thus saved) without any choice given them, then by consequence God chose other people to be created for the purpose of Hell. And as mentioned before, that goes against God wanting all to repent and be saved." The evil created for.. Proverbs 16:4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. The good created for.. Isaiah 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

" As as far as my opinion of Pharoah being given time to repent, it's backed up by Paul saying that it was a possibility:" God endured the evil of Pharoah murdering the Hebrews for a long time, then, gave mercy on the Hebrews, on Israel, which were prepared for this mercy for the glory of God, that is why Jacob went down into Egypt, to be delivred by the Lords mercy from evil it is predicted., what the Lord predicted 400 years before it all occured, shows how much chance Pharoah or anyone cold withstand the Lords fulfillment, so Pharoah was risen up evil and murdere3d so that they would receive the same as is the Lords just judgement and justice for us to believe in.. Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Acts 7:6 And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.7 And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.

"My point is has nothing to do with whether or not it was better for them to never know it, my point was to show that its' possible for somebody to wander from the truth, which demonstrates free will of choice. Nothing you said addressed that point." Judas never knew the truth, he was a thief and the devil entered him. He was chosen for that and could not avoid it also.. As all like Judas love cursing, so let it come upon them, as they delight not in blessing, let it be far from them, this is the Lords judgement on the world through Juas. THis shows how much man knows nothing, as the Lord has to place HIs just judgement in the earth, and it is told the same, Judas chosen before by the Holy Ghost and must be filfilled, and he purcjased a field with the rewward of iniquity, and all his bowels gushed out,, so let it come into his bowels like water, this is the reward of the adversaries of the Lord, and those who speak evil againsdt His soul, and anoher was destined to take his bishopric.. Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the Lord; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.15 Let them be before the Lord continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.16 Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.19 Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually.20 Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the Lord, and of them that speak evil against my soul. Acts 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Judas was known and chosen specifically, the thief through satan, and let him who stole steal no more shown through Judas, and satan fills their hearts to lie, and without the Kingdom of Heaven are all who love and make a lie, of their father of lies. they cannot understand His speech, and because they are told the truth they do not believe(they believe lies vanity and flattery only) Only of God hear Gods words, how is that free? But man is evil and tries to reject the Lords testimonies, and Kevin helps to make that more and more clear.. John 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. John 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? John 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him; Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Jonah knew the Lord is gracious, but did not have the compassion in himself, this is why he did not know what HE was doing.. Jonah 4:3 Therefore now, O Lord, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.4 Then said the Lord, Doest thou well to be angry? Jonah then sits to see what becomes of the city, as again he is shown to not know anything.. God gave the gourd to let Jonah feel calm, and then prepared a worm to take the comfort away.(the Lord gives the Lord taketh away) Then God prepared great heat which was onto Jonahs head cusing him to faint, and God said you had compassioon on thre gourd that you laboured not for, and Jonh still answers wrong to the Lord he does well to be angry till death, but God answers him, how the gourd only came in a night and disappeared in a night, and then should God not have compassion on all of these people in a great city and thus we see Jonah knew nothing but the Lord revealed all to us through him.. Jonah 4:5 So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.6 And the Lord God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.10 Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle? Known unto God are all His works from the beginning., nobody counsels Him at all. Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginningof the world. Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

The serpent/the devil beguiled/fooled man with his subtlety, man then taken captive by the devil at his will, listened to his subtilty, and were corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. This is the deceitfulness of sin, which caused them to be hardened(in pride, the devils spirit who is king over all children of pride) The devil continues to take all he wills captive by himself, dwelling in them as their false god. To escape this, the Lord must give us a heart to perceive, eyes to see and ears to hear, which the Hebrews did not have even after God rescued them with a large outstretched hand and with great signs and miracles in Egypt. This same continued as the Pharisees and all Israel did not believe even though He did so many miracles among them Genesis 3:13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. 2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 2 Timothy 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. John 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Pharoah had no time to learn right or wrong, to know good or bad, in the same moment he was in front of the Hebrews to be able to kill them, God hardened his heart so that they would be too bold and destroy all of themselves, as this is the way the Lord was honoured in front of the world.. Exodus 14:4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the Lord. And they did so. Exodus 14:17 And I, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen. Exodus 15:9 The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them. 10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters. Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth thee. Deuteronomy 29:2 And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land; 3 The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: 4 Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day. Now God had said, if you do not do evil like the other nations, He would not put any of the evil on them as He did on these other nations. But they had no heart of faith given to them, so naturally they did evil the same as every other, being natural man.1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned...1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. All they could do was flatter the Lord, and lie to Him, as their heart was not right(no heart of flesh /Spirit given yet) and they are then a wind that passeth away and comes not again, and the heart of the wicked is little worth, the secret counsel of the wicked, the insurerrection of the workers of iniquity(who say Lords Lord to Christ) they shoot at the perfect and fear not, same as their father king and god..Job 41:33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. 34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride. Jude 1:12... Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer. 36 Nevertheless they did flatter him with their mouth, and they lied unto him with their tongues. 37 For their heart was not right with him, neither were they stedfast in his covenant. 38 But he, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea, many a time turned he his anger away, and did not stir up all his wrath. 39 For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind that passeth away, and cometh not again. Proverbs 10:20 The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth. Psalm 64:2 Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity: 3 Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words: 4 That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not. 5 They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them? Men are the same then at the ending of the world exactly, it is predicted and fulfilled. Ordained to this condemnation, turning the grace of our God into sin and lust, this is them denying the confession they lie with their mouths, and remember how the Lord once saved the people out of the land of Egypt but afterward destroyed those who believed not, as they were not given a heart to perceive, neither were the Pharisees, neither is the world at the end now too and have no excuses as all were the same example.. Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Jesus did not answer Pilate where He was from, then Pilate boasted he has power to crucify and power to release. But Jesus answered him, he could have no power at all, unless it was given him from above. This happened to Pharoah, to all kings on earth and to all people, God does the same way for everyone. Then Christ in His times shows who is the only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, dwelling in the light that no man can approach to, whom no man has seen, nor can see, John 19:9 And went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? 11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. 1 Timothy 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. No man can approach, except the Father draw him, they who have heard and learned of the Father, not that any man has seen the Father save he which is of God(Jesus Christ in us) he has seen the Father.. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. The words then no man has ability ever to understand, it has to be given, it is spiritually discerned. Then no man can come to Him unless given unto him of His Father, and then many disciples we see are there without truly believing in their heart which was not given or allowed, as we see the testimony, the heart the Lord opens or is not opened at all.. John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Seee that you refuse not and obey, as our God is a consuming fire, and when you did all say, you are an unprofitable servant, you did what was your duty to do.. Hebrews 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:29 For our God is a consuming fire. Luke 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

It is called faith, we hear the words of faith and the Spirit works in us through it which is love.. Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. The sheep hear His voice, as they know it, and He knows them, they not no strangers, look in nature and see it to be true, I know it to be true in nature. John 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. just like people could either follow your ideas Kevin, or maybe mine.

Jonah had the Spirit of Christ in Him, that is not free will, that is God in Him. 1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. God wanted Jonah to escape and be angry with the gourd that God grew for protection from the sun, so Jonah is made to know he had compassion on a plant, but did not want the Lord to have compassion on the souls in Ninevah. Jonah 4:8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.10 Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle? What is free will if you have no idea what you are doing, as this entire universe we are in is the Lord God and you can escape nowhere as seen when Jonah went down to hell.. Psalm 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. "As for the apostles, it could be argued that God foreknew their hearts and knew that they would therefore be obedient to carry out his will. Could they have walked away? I believe that they could, yes, because one of those very apostles, James, showed that it was possible for one to be in the truth and yet wander from it " If they wandered from the truth it is better they had never known it, and as for Judas, better he had never been born, yet satan was put into his heart.. John 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. "I do not believe that God created Pharaoh from beginning for the express purpose of Him hardening him and punishing and killing him to make His point. I believe that God "bore with great patience" Pharoah's unrighteous treatment of His people and gave Pharaoh time to repent. But when it didn't happen, God then used Pharaoh's own rebellion to His advantage and glorified Himself by directing Pharaoh to do things that would cause God to display His great power and deliverance." It was as told, whether you accept it or not, it is greater than any mans opinion.. Exodus 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.4 But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments.5 And the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord, when I stretch forth mine hand upon Egypt, and bring out the children of Israel from among them. Exodus 10:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:2 And that thou mayest tell in the ears of thy son, and of thy son's son, what things I have wrought in Egypt, and my signs which I have done among them; that ye may know how that I am the Lord. Exodus 11:9 And the Lord said unto Moses, Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you; that my wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt.10 And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land. Exodus 14:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea.3 For Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel, They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in.4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the Lord. And they did so.5 And it was told the king of Egypt that the people fled: and the heart of Pharaoh and of his servants was turned against the people, and they said, Why have we done this, that we have let Israel go from serving us? Exodus 14:17 And I, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.18 And the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen. You forget also that the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy, the Lord always tells the end from the beginning and told exactly what Pharoah will do(no free will proven to the world).... Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Exodus 11:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Yet will I bring one plague more upon Pharaoh, and upon Egypt; afterwards he will let you go hence: when he shall let you go, he shall surely thrust you out hence altogether. Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Exodus 10:20 But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go. Exodus 10:27 But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go. Exodus 11:10 And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land. (Luk 13:5) I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." "They had free will to repent. Jesus told THEM to repent - God wasn't going to repent for them. And if God was going to MAKE them repent, what is the point of telling them to repent? " The point is told in the verse, the judgement of the Lord, unless there is repenting they die in their sins, forewarned then done. When nobody repents, because they do not have eyes to see with or a heart to feel with, then thy are not born of the Spirit, and their heart is little worth.. Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Proverbs 10:20 The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth. Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomedto do evil. Matthew 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. "(Joh 15:4) Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. Why would Christ tell people to remain in Him if they had no power to really do it on their own?? Read that again. And then there's that "unless" word again at the end of the verse - which means it's conditional on them remaining them remaining in Him. If they have no power to do it on their own, then it's pointless to use a conditional word because there's no choice." It is the word of faith, God gives the love of Christ into us, the heart of flesh, the mind of Christ, the Sprit of Christ, eyes to see with, ears to hear with, do you think you are much human after all of that when born again of God.. Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The Apostles of the Lord chosen cant walk away, Apostle Paul not able to stop preaching the Gospel, and Jonah unable to not give warning to Ninevah. God chose His prophets too, they did not choose Him. Who is left with free will then ? Could Gideon not have gone forward with the Lord, seeing he was a mighty man of valour and just needed help from God and took it gladly ? Abraham told by God to have the child in old age, Sarah laughed, but was told, it will be. Does anyone see the testimonies yet ? What free will did Israel have ? They were children in whom is no faith, not given any. Did the Pharisees have free will to believe truly in Christ without the Spirit of truth in them ? No they could only resist and receive all the blood shed on the earth onto them as Christ told them. Others now are ordained to this condemnation, and it speaks all about free will.. Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.