Desopixi Seilynam

If the next pope is a young person, it's likely him. But I think there may be one more before the final one, so this next one is second to last, perhaps. I think the beast gets wounded during ww3, the war itself being a deception by the beast.

"....Then comes the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God." What kingdom gets delivered up? And the likely response is that Christ is reigning now in the hearts of believers. Referring to passages like "the kingdom of God is within you". Ok, and so that kingdom ends? It gets delivered up and then the real eternal kingdom begins? Yes? Your ok with that, even in that view is a kingdom ending, and another version beginning. But somehow the 1000 years doesn't make sense? It does not make more sense that we all get tried by fire? "on such the second death has no power" is written for a reason. The kingdom gets literally delivered up, destroyed by fire, because the ultimate kingdom is even there now on top of the sky, waiting. And those already risen immortal will be able to survive the fire and enter the city that comes down.

What kingdom gets delivered up?

You have not addressed what I showed concerning Zephaniah. You skip Revelation 20 completely in that last post. And you skirt Zechariah 14:16-19. In the final end there will be no more death, and no remaining non believers.

And the Lord called the sky "Heaven" Genesis 1:8 And the Lord called the dry land "Earth" Genesis 1:10 "all the land shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy" Zephaniah 3:8 In context (Zephaniah 3:1, Zephaniah 3:11) it is speaking about all the land of Israel. "from beyond the rivers of Ethiopia, my worshipers, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring my offering" Zephaniah 3:10 How can that be if the whole entire "globe" is destroyed in verse 8? It's not talking about a destruction of some "globe", it's talking about Israel, this is clear as we read 10 to 13 and from verse 1. Zephaniah 3:8 is referring to Revelation 19:21, The fire from the mouth of the Lord. The Lord returns and destroys the Satanic temple built to the anti-Christ, and the abomination of desolation, and the armies gathered to fight Him and His army. The Lord destroys them and the evil city, and comes down to rebuild and reign. Ezekiel 36:23-26, Isaiah 61:4, Revelation 19:14-21. In Revelation there are two fire coming down events. Revelation 19:21 from the Messiah. Revelation 20:9 from the Father. Zephaniah is describing the first event. Zephaniah speaks of the removal of the people that rule the land now. "Woe to her that is rebellious and polluted, to the oppressing city" Zephaniah 3:1 "I will take away from the midst of thee, them that rejoice in thy pride. And you will no more be prideful IN my holy mountain" Zephaniah 3:11 Those words describe the Israel of our time now.

Can you find "forever" in Ezekiel 40 to the end? The Lord will reign forever, ultimately, from the city of heaven that comes down. His ultimate sanctuary is the city of heaven that comes down. "will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore" "and my tabernacle shall be with them" Ezekiel 37:26-28 "and I John saw the holy city new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of the sky..... behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them" Revelation 21:2-3 Yes, those two passages are speaking about the same thing. When it is forevermore is when that city comes down. That city comes down after/as this current sky sea and land are destroyed, that is clearly what Revelation tells us. The city described in Ezekiel 40 to the end is clearly not that city. Ezekiel prophesies concerning the very end, but only describes the city of the 1000 years. The final end and city is described in Revelation. Ezekiel and Revelation have the same Author, they were written by the Holy Spirit. They tell the same prophecy, Revelation giving the final details that Ezekiel did not give. The first 1000 years of the reign are from the city described in Ezekiel. When Gog and Magog (the whole unsaved world) tries to attack, God sends a fire down that destroys them and the sky sea and land, Ezekiel 39:6, Revelation 20:9, 2 Peter 3:8-12, then His ultimate prepared since the foundation of the world tabernacle comes down. Revelation 21:1-2 And the concrete evidence of the duration is given in Revelation. "...and lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. This is the first resurrection. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." Revelation 20:4-5 And these passages must be fulfilled: All of the saints get to execute the vengeance written: Psalm 149:9 "The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked" Psalm 58:10 We reign over the remaining mortals, many will be underground Isaiah 2:10, Revelation 6:15, and there will be a vast army gathered to try to fight the army of immortal saints. [ Ezekiel 37:10, Joel 2:11, Jude 1:14-15, Revelation 19:14-21 ] For 1000 years we reign over this earth, rebuilding the ruins into the city described in Ezekiel. Any remaining alive will be required to come to the feast of tabernacles once a year: Zechariah chapter 14. After 1000 years Satan gets the world to try to attack the camp of the saints, but is unsuccessful, a fire destroys them and the world, Satan and death and all who loved death and lies are thrown into the lake of fire, and the city of heaven comes down, the reign continuing forever from it.

A measure of wheat for a days wages, and three measures of barley for a days wages, but keep the oil and the wine affordable. Revelation 6:6 That is and has been happening, prices will continue to increase. 1933 and 2033 will likely have many similarities.

So your saying that is figurative? They will not actually be one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel? Israel is heaven? What scripture leads you to that conclusion? Why then in Revelation 21:2 does it say that the city of heaven comes down? Where does it come down to? Ezekiel chapters 41 and going on describe a city with specific measurements. The city in Ezekiel is a space of 18,000 with a 6x6 temple in the middle, Ezekiel 41:1-5, Ezekiel 48:35. The city in Revelation 21 is a 12,000 space with no temple: Revelation 21:16, 21:22 Clear measurements are given such that we know the cities are not the same. Also one place has a temple, the other does not, very clearly two different places. Clearly Ezekiel and Revelation describe two different cities. Two different places, two different times. Ezekiel 45 also describes sacrifices, death. In the ultimate end, there will be no more death at all, the lion will eat straw. [ Isaiah 11:7 ] That is another way we can see Ezekiel is not describing the ultimate end, and the outline of Ezekiel matches the same outline of the 1000 years given in Revelation. Ezekiel 37:1-15 resurrections Ezekiel 37:15-28 reign Ezekiel 38 and 39 Gog and Magog Revelation 20:4-5 resurrections Revelation 20:5-7 reign Revelation 20:7-10 Gog and Magog Clearly the texts give that same exact outline, you are saying the reign spoken of in Ezekiel is the ultimate reign, after chapter 20 of Revelation, but the texts speak clearly for themselves. Yes the Lord will reign forever, after 1000 years Satan is allowed to get Gog and Magog to try to attack, but the Father sends a fire down that destroys them and this current sky sea and land. (Revelation 20:9, Ezekiel 39:6, 2 Peter 3:8-12, Revelation 21:1) At that time the city of heaven comes down and the reign continues forever from it.

Graves means graves, Ezekiel 37:9-12 is speaking about actual resurrection. "Come from the four winds Oh breath of life, and breath upon these slain that they may live." Ezekiel 37:9-10 Matthew 24:31 "...they shall gather together His chosen ones, from the four winds...." Paul can only be referring to Ezekiel 37:12 as "the promise made of God unto our fathers" concerning resurrection. Careful and contextual reading of all the following: Ezekiel 37:1-12, Matthew 24:31, Acts 23:5-8, Acts 26:5-8, make clear that Ezekiel 37:1-15 is about actual resurrection. Ezekiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections. Ezekiel 37:15-28 = Reign of the Messiah Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog Following the same order and telling the same prophecy as Revelation 20: Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections. Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign of the Messiah Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog. "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart.... Love ye therefore the stranger. " Deuteronomy 10:16, 19 If Israel had come back to life spiritually, they would be following that rule. Today, in Israel, that rule is most definitely not observed. In fact the laws concerning love for stranger are not mentioned in the modern Mitzvo. Leviticus 19:33-34, Exodus 23:4-5, Exodus 23:9 They reject the Messiah. "Love your enemies and do good to them that hate you" Luke 6:27 He was speaking the word of God. "If you meet your enemies ox going astray give it back to him, if you see one that hates you struggling with his burden, even if you don't want to help him, you shall surely help him with it." Exodus 23:4-5 Therefore it is clear that Israel has not been spiritually restored or physically restored. The Lord promises to raise Israel from the dead. David will be literally resurrected (Jeremiah 30:9) and reign together with Christ as shepherd. Ezekiel 37:24 We saints reign together with Christ.

Dear one, have you seen this: "...Come from the four winds Oh breath of life [ Matthew 24:31 "from the four winds" ] and breath upon these slain that they may live. And they stood upon their feet an exceedingly great army" Ezekiel 37:9-10, [ Rev. 19:14, Joel 2:11, Rev. 19:21 ] Ezekiel 37:12 "Oh my people, I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves and into the land of Israel" [ Note also Acts 23:5-8 and 26:5-8 Paul can only be referring to Ezekiel 37:12 as "the promise made of God unto the fathers" concerning resurrection. Paul, a Pharisee, believed that such passages were about actual resurrection. That was the whole dispute between Pharisee and Sadducee, whether or not such passages were about actual resurrection. The Messiah came and demonstrated that actual resurrection will happen, by raising Lazarus from the dead and Himself also rising from the dead. ] therefore: Ezekiel 37:1-15 === Resurrections Ezekiel 37:15- 28 === Reign of the Messiah Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 === Gog and Magog The same events, in the same order, as given also in Revelation 20. They are telling the same prophecy. Revelation 20:4-5 === Resurrections Revelation 20:5-7 === Reign of the Messiah Revelation 20:7-10 === Gog and Magog The 1000 year reign is in the old testament. Ezekiel chapters 40 to the end describe details of the 1000 years. For 1000 years, the saints together with the Messiah will keep the law to perfection. "And it will be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and (all offerings) He shall prepare the sin offering, and the meal offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make atonement for the house of Israel." Ezekiel 45:17 The Messiah will prepare and offer all sacrifices. Ezekiel describes a 18,000 space with a 6x6 temple in the middle. 41:1-5, 48:35 In Revelation it is 12,000 with no temple. 21:16, 21:22 The city described in Ezekiel 41 is clearly different than the one in Revelation 21. Ezekiel is describing the city and temple of the 1000 years.

Yes, no one is going anywhere, everything happens here. In the very end, the city of heaven comes, down; Revelation 21:1-2. A new sky and new land, [ Genesis 1:8, 10 ] not a new 'universe'. The idea of a 'universe' with 'planets' is part of the deception. The city of heaven, that is literally on top of the sky right now with streets of transparent gold, comes down, as this sky and land melts and burns. What results from the final destruction is a divine lava pit, the lake of fire, and the heavenly city comes down over the pit, and a new sky formed around it. When Christ returns He kindles some of the lake, and a literal lake of fire, a lake of lava, somewhere around Jerusalem is the result. During the 1000 years it will be required that people come to Jerusalem [ Zechariah 14 ] and therefore required to see that lake. During the 1000 years we saints are immortal, ruling over those that remain, and rebuilding the ruins. It is one final chance for the remainder of humanity to believe in the Messiah, and to live the peaceful way He desires. There will be people on the islands and underground that survived. [ Revelation 6:15 ] The Messiah destroys the armies gathered to fight Him, not the whole world: Revelation 19:14-21. The whole world is destroyed after the 1000 years: Revelation 20:9-15. "the rest of the dead lived not again until after the 1000 years" Revelation 20:5 That is not describing something spiritual, but rather physical. And from the other scriptures given, Luke 24:37-39, 1 Corinthians 15:22-23, 1 Thess 4:16-17 it is clear that the resurrections are physical not spiritual.

I'm not speaking about the general resurrection. Rather the first resurrection: Revelation 20:4-5. "..this is the first resurrection.." Ezekiel 37 is describing the first resurrection, the resurrection of Israel. Ezekiel 37:1-15 == Resurrections Ezekiel 37:15-28 == Reign of the Messiah Ezekiel 38 - 39 == Gog and Magog Revelation 20:4-5 == Resurrections Revelation 20:5-7 == Reign of the Messiah Revelation 20:7-10 == Gog and Magog The texts themselves are clearly giving that same timeline. One has to insists that 'graves' does not mean 'graves' in Ezekiel to try to insist otherwise. my flesh shall rest in hope For Thou will not leave my soul in hades: neither will you allow your Holy One to see corruption Psalms 16:9-10 The apostles did not translate David as representing the Messiah, they made a distinction between the Messiah and David. They said David prophetically spoke of the Messiah: For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he says himself, The Lord said to my Lord, [ The Lord of David is the Messiah ] Sit thou on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thine footstool. ..God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ. Acts 2:34-36 The dead in Christ shall rise first. David is in Christ, Christ is David's Lord, and David and his kind specifically hoped in resurrection: I know that my Redeemer (The Messiah) lives, and He shall stand at the last day upon the land. And even if worms destroy this body and I die, yet in my flesh shall I see God. Job 19:25-26 Israel's dead men shall rise, together with my dead body shall they arise. Isaiah 26:19 Job, Isaiah, and David died in Christ, died specifically hoping for resurrection, as seen in their writings. Isaiah specifically prophesied that Israel's dead men shall rise. They rise at the second coming of Christ. and David my servant shall be a king among them; (David himself) [ Rev 3:21 ] and they all shall have one Shepherd (The Messiah) Ezekiel 37:24

He meant 'world' in the terms of an age. His resurrection was physical: Luke 24:37-39. Our resurrection will be like His, physical also. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. In Adam all physically die, because of the physical fruit he ate that effected his physical body and therefore all his descendants. In Christ all physically live because He physically rose from the dead. Paul speaks of a spiritual body in 1 Corinthians 15, but also of alive people being changed. We know that alive people will be caught up and changed also because of 1 Thess 4:16-17. Therefore what happens is a physical event. The dead shall be raised, in the same manner that Christ was raised; physically. "This is the first resurrection" Revelation 20:5 There are only 2 resurrections, one of the just and then of everyone else after 1000 years. The idea that the 1000 years is just spiritual does not fit with the specifics given in the text. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" When the dead lived the first time, they were physical, therefore living, again, means physical again.

Also Jeremiah prophesied that the return would be greater than that of the exodus: the days come says the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord lives, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt. But the Lord lives, that brought up the children of Israel... from all the lands wither I had driven them Jeremiah 16:14-15 A hint that the event is miraculous, more so than the exodus. And then how He brings us back is described in Ezekiel: Oh my people I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves and into the land of Israel. Ezekiel 37:12 The two sects, Pharisees and Saducees, had a dispute as to weather passages such as Ezekiel 37:12 were referring to actual resurrection or not. The Pharisees believed in resurrection, the Saducees did not. Acts 23:8 Paul a Pharisee, was fully convinced that such passages were about actual resurrection because Christ died and rose from the dead. Acts 23:5-8, 26:5-8 In modern times the teaching of the Saducees persists however, people are taught that "graves" in Ezekiel 37:12 does not mean graves, but we can see that Paul believed the passage was about actual resurrection. Therefore from Ezekiel we know that God resurrects His people and brings them into the land. Jeremiah 32:37 ...all of them dwelling without walls, having neither bars nor gates Ezekiel 38:11 Israel and Jerusalem today is not a land at peace, undisturbed, without walls, bars and gates as described in Ezekiel and Jeremiah. The gathering is the resurrection. Israel is resurrected, David, literally resurrected, and brought into Israel. Jeremiah 30:9 is describing a literal resurrected David. Clearly these things have not happened yet.

I think that is all possible, it will seem as the final anti-Christ to many, together with a 'rapture' event, many people will just go along with what happens after. We must keep in mind, the anti-Christ, is a person claiming to be Jesus, with miracles and all. [ 2 Thess 2:1-11, Rev 13:11-18 ] The beast is a king that gets seemingly healed from death.