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Desopixi Seilynam

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  1. Because you have these nicely bulleted I'll make a note on each one hoping you all can see the coming grand deception. 1. Ezekiel 37:22 did not come to pass in 1948, it has still yet to come to pass, Israel is greatly divided now. And Ezekiel 38:11 clearly does not describe the current state of Israel. 2. Likely an Islamic person will be set up to seem to be the anti-Christ to those not paying attention. War will break out concerning him, Christians being led to believe that he is the anti-Christ. That a conflict concerning Islam would happen was planned alongside the plan for ww1 and 2, all three wars were planned by the 'illuminati' and 'free masons'. It is a demonic plan of deception leading to the beast and false prophet. 3. The real anti-Christ has a total of 70 years. 4. Likely during the war, a king will seem to be killed, a king whose office was in existence since before Revelation was written. Note Revelation 17:10 5. The manchild in Revelation 12 is clearly Christ, Christ said He saw satan fall like lightning, satan was cast down sometime during the initial time of Christ. 6. Likely during the coming war a king will seem to die and be healed from death. 7. That wounded/healed king then starts to declare things about 'outer-space' and how that Jesus will come and end the war [ Revelation 13:6 ], and they build a temple to that coming 'Jesus'. 8. The last captivity starts, last 70 year period of Israel in captivity, in the land and in the world. 9. Large armies gather and war continues, the world led to believe that the wounded/healed king is a martyr healed by angels from God, and that the world is fighting against the anti-Christ. 10. Supposed Jesus arrives, gloriously causing fire to come down on the armies of one whom the world was led to believe is the anti-Christ, most likely some Islamic person. "Jesus" destroys his forces with fire from the sky, and the world rejoices as the war finally ends.
  2. I clothe the heavens with blackness, and make sackcloth their covering. Isaiah 50:3 The devil and his henchmen have deceived the whole world concerning that darkness, and the nature of the stars. It cast down some of the host of the stars to the ground and trampled on them. Daniel 8:10 He cast down the truth to the ground and practiced and prospered. Daniel 8:12 Through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper in his hand Daniel 8:25 the beast opened his mouth in blaspheme against God, to blaspheme Gods name, and Gods tabernacle and them that dwell beyond the sky. Revelation 13:6 God made a wise plan first, the plan concerning Christ. Then the first physical thing He made was water: Proverbs 8:23-24 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now, the earth was without form and void and darkness covered the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the water Genesis 1:1-2
  3. Given the straightforward account in Genesis, there was a time before man was on the land, that the dry land itself appeared: Genesis 1:9. This time no doubt included much shaking of the land as it came into place, I imagine rose up from the water, or perhaps it was earthquakes that broke it up and let some of the water go down beneath it as it formed, whatever the case, certainly the formation of the land itself would include earthquakes.
  4. Nope! What Jesus preached is the good news! [ Luke 4:18-21 ] Treat people the way you would want to be treated, for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12 ...and if there be any other command it is summed up in this statement; love your neighbor as yourself. Romans 13:9 and they were astonished at His doctrine for He taught as one with authority Matthew 7:28 If anyone disobeys the Torah (1 John 3:4) and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ, he does not have God. He that abides in the doctrine of Christ, has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9-11 I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do His commands, that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter through the gates into the city. ... I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify these things in the churches... Revelation 22:13-16
  5. In short, yes but not really. I'm getting this information from the book of Enoch. The original fallen angels that came down and mated with women are locked away and can not do anything. The demons are the spirits of the giants that were the offspring of the fallen angels. They are trapped on earth as spirits, but we know from various accounts that they can posses people and animals. [ Luke 8:26-40 ] So they can take physical form via a host body. In the end we Satan will come in the flesh as the anti-Christ. Claiming to be Jesus and performing miracles it will be the grandest deception of all time.
  6. Job chapter 38, the first recorded words of God Himself. "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the land?" "When I set a limit for the sea" "Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death?"
  7. Part of the "presentation" includes Romans 8 and 9. He that does not love me, does not keep my teachings. John 14:24 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 1 Corinthians 1:13 If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let that person be Anathema! Oh Lord Come! 1 Corinthians 16:22 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God. Romans 8:14 How can a man cleanse his way? By taking heed unto the word of God. Psalm 119:9 For faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17
  8. I think that we could communicate with all the animals. Adam and Eve gained knowledge of good and evil, but lost spiritual knowledge. At the first they had some sort of instinctive knowledge that they were spirits inside of flesh, spirits clothed by the flesh, and therefore not ashamed of their physical nakedness. After eating, they gained more knowledge related to things separated from God, they gained the knowledge that going away from God is evil. And losing instinctive spiritual knowledge, they became ashamed of their physical nakedness. But there was a memory of what was, and a realization, for Eve said; the serpent tricked me. And we notice the serpent speaking before they ate, but not afterwards. I think the fruit was actual and the eating of it changed their physical state and minds, having them lose a certain hold on spiritual things. And whatever happened to their bodies was passed down physically to all their offspring. And so the serpent was not anything special, just able to go upright at the first, we can still cause some snakes to stand upright for a while, but they can no longer travel like that. Putting other scripture with it [ Revelation 12:9 ] we know the devil possessed the snake.
  9. He that does not love me, does not keep my teachings. John 14:24 [ John 14:21-23 He is speaking about anyone in the world ] If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let that person be Anathema! Oh Lord Come! 1 Corinthians 16:22 [ 1 Corinthians 1:13 is the context ] For what avails anything is faith that works by love. [ Galatians 5:6-7 ] For this is His commandment, that we love one another. [ John 15:12, Matthew 7:12, Romans 13:10 ] For faith without works is dead being alone. James 2:17 For we all must appear before the judgement seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, whether it be (or whether he receive) good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men... 1 Corinthians 5:10-11 Paul is speaking about the terror of the Lord, not an award ceremony. For the time is come that judgement must begin at the house of God. And if it first begin at us, what shall the end of them be that obey not the good news of God? [ 2 Thess 1:7-10 ] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Therefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to Him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. 1 Peter 4:17-19 If you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall the Father give the Holy Spirit to those that ask Him? Luke 11:13 Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law? Or by the hearing of faith? Galatians 3:2 Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 The Holy Spirit inspired the writers of the Bible, the Holy Spirit is the Author of the Bible, all who read the Bible are therefore called to faith, by the Holy Spirit. The Lord promises that before the end, the word will be published in all the world. Matthew 24:14 God commands all men everywhere to repent. Acts 17:30-31 All mankind will have the word of God to know and read and to thereby be led to faith, for faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. No human is predestined to go to hell . Has not the potter power over the clay to make one lump unto honor and another to dishonor? Romans 9:21 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and earth, and some to honor, and some to dishonor. If a man therefore purge himself from dishonor he shall be a vessel of honor, sanctified and useful for the masters use and prepared unto every good work. 2 Timothy 2:20-21 How can a man cleanse his way? By taking heed unto the word of God. Psalms 119:9 For faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. The Holy Spirit is a free gift one receives for just believing, actually sourced from the death and resurrection of Christ. No one has the Holy Spirit because of themselves, or because they are special chosen. The death and resurrection of Christ is the source of the Holy Spirit after Christ, any human who sincerely believes that Christ died and rose from the dead is indwelt by the Holy Spirit. A born again person is one actually led by the Holy Spirit. As Paul says in Romans 8:14. Because as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the children of God.
  10. For I know this, that after my departure shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Acts 20:29 there shall be false teachers among you, who secretly shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And through greed shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you 2 Peter 2:1-3 And account that the patience of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul... has written to you As also in all his letters speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable twist, as they do the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. You therefore, dear one, seeing that you know such things, beware, lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 3:15-18 Be not deceived, God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap. He that sows to his flesh, shall of the flesh reap corruption. He that sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing, for in due time we shall reap, if we faint not. Galatians 6:7-9 These things I would that thou constantly affirm that they which have believed should be careful to maintain good works. Titus 3:8 All those are accepted normal translations. Clearly we were warned that many wolves would come in and that Paul's words would be twisted.
  11. I encourage you to re read all the verses quoted, you will likely not see them in the way I have translated them, anywhere else. I believe that Paul's words have been twisted, [2 Peter 3:15-16] what I did is untwist them, namely the end of Romans 7. Paul never says that we get into heaven for just belief. Paul never says that we will always struggle against sin, such a notion is, I believe, an evil twisting of the end of Romans 7. Paul says we receive the Spirit for free and therefore must work, that is what Ephesians 2:8-10 is about, not entrance into heaven. Also the book of Galatians should come after Ephesians. We are equipped with the Holy Spirit to do our best against known sin. It would be an insult to not use the fruits of the Spirit given to us freely. By sowing to the Spirit we reap everlasting life. Galatians 6:7-9 A born again child of God is a person who is led by the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:14
  12. America, discipline and purify Israel? Israel, who is Jacob, is scattered all over the world and considered to be strangers in the land of Israel. They have forgotten who they are, and are oppressed in the land. "the stranger that is within you shall get up very high above you he shall lend to you and you shall not lend to him" Deuteronomy 28:43-44 Strangers and Esau rule in Israel for now. "...foreigners entered into his gates and cast lots for Jerusalem, even you (Esau) were as one of them" Obadiah 1:11 "But you should not have gloated over your brother in the day that he became a stranger" Obadiah 1:12 "You should not have entered into the gates of my people" Obadiah 1:13 "You should not have stood in the crossroads" Obadiah 1:14 "The day of the Lord is near" Obadiah 1:15, 21 "all the men of thy confederacy have forced you even to the border the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, they that eat thy bread have laid a trap for you and there is none aware of it" Obadiah 1:7 But I have laid a trap for you and thou are also taken Oh Babylon Jeremiah 50:24 O thou that dwells on many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy greed. Jeremiah 51:13 Call together against Babylon the nations of Ararat Mini and Ashchenaz Jeremiah 51:27
  13. I think this is a key part, Paul is speaking about experiencing actual miracles. One experiencing such and yet still falling away, going away from the faith, will not again return. It is Paul; Hebrews 10:34, 13:23 Paul is speaking to 'partakers of the heavenly calling' Hebrews 3:1
  14. When you were the servants of sin ( 1 John 3:4 ) you were free from righteousness. What fruit had you in those things whereof you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin ( 1 John 3:4 ) , and become servants unto God, ( John 10:27, 2 John 1:9 ) you have your fruit unto holiness, ( John 15:5-10 ) and the end everlasting life. [ Galatians 6:7-9 ] The wages of sin (1 John 3:4) is death: but the gift of God is eternal life In Christ Jesus Our Lord. ( John 15:10 ) Romans 6:20-23 Now, if I do what I don't want to do, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me. I find then a law, that, when I want to do good evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. So then with the mind I my conscious self serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. Oh wretched man that I am! Who shall save me from this body of death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! [ Titus 3:5-6 ] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus [ Luke 6:63 ] has made me free from the law of sin and free from death. For what the Torah (the law of Moses) could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteous requirement of the law [ Deut. 10:16-19, Micah 6:8 ] might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [ John 10:27, Luke 6:27, Matthew 7:12, Romans 13:10 ] Contextual Romans 7:23 through Romans 8:4 Because as many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the children of God. Romans 8:14 [ John 3:5-6 ] If you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall the Father give the Holy Ghost to those who ask Him? Luke 11:13 Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ { Numbers 13:16 } for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38 after that you heard the word of truth, [ 1 Timothy 6:3-4 ] the good news of your salvation: [ John 10:27-28 ] in Whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise. Ephesians 1:13 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. The Holy Spirit is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. Because we are Gods creation, created in Christ Jesus, for good works, that God has before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10 The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness and self control. Galatians 5:23 And they that belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. Galatians 5:24
  15. I think some translations change Psalms 104:4 even more, and some even exclude it. But we also have Job 38:4-9. When He laid the corner stone of the land, 'the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy'. Then He goes on to speak of shutting up the sea, which is the creation of the sky. It is the order given in the passages that shows when things were made. Job 38:4-11 Genesis 1:1-17 Psalms 104:1-9 They give the same general order, Job and Psalms include 'sons of God' 'angels'. Proverbs 8:23 specifically tells us that wisdom was first. Colossians 1:17 tells us Christ was first. Therefore wisdom concerning Christ was first, the plan concerning Christ, God's choice was very first
  16. Certainly 'aliens' and 'ufos' are a deception, built upon other deceptions. When Revelation 9 is happening the world will be led to believe that it is just random 'aliens'. Paul mentions the trumpet sounding as he also does in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, connecting the two passages. In a moment we will be transformed and up in the air with Christ. A vast army in the sky on horses.
  17. I don't think the devil was cast out before the earth was created. No one was with God or before God when He created. [ Isaiah 44:24 kjv ] The angels were created sometime around when the sky was created; Psalms 104:3-4 kjv. Wisdom was made first, [Proverbs 8:23-25] that is, God's wise plan to send His Son to die on behalf of His creation. God planned to let His Son humbly die, that was God's choice before any other choices were made. A wise plan, He would tackle the ideas of death and an end, rising from it. Therefore whatever negative choices made by His freewill creatures matter little, He already chose to die. As such Christ did die innocently, experiencing all of death, He took the keys of death and of hades, and rose from death back to physical life, and ascended physically to the throne of God, He Himself in control of the opening of the seals of the end times.
  18. Please explain from scripture how you come to that conclusion. Your going to simply infer that "graves" does not mean "graves", right? And your going to want to say that 37:22 has been fulfilled, but what does the verse say? "neither shall they be divided into two nations any more at all" Today the place is divided, there are two major governing bodies, a Palestinian authority and an Israeli authority. And also there has been a third, the Gaza authority, in times past (see Joshua 22 and my avatar) all of these territories and more were Israel as one nation. The truth is backed by loads of scripture, please take some time to carefully read it all.
  19. I believe there is a word missing from the translation of verse 27; fire. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one "week": and in the midst of the "week" he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined fire shall be poured upon the desolator. [ For Tophet it is ordained of old; yea for the king it is prepared; God has made it deep and large; the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, does kindle it. Isaiah 30:31 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him.... these both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with fire and brimstone.... And the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth... Revelation 19:20-21 Creation of the lake of fire; Revelation 11:15, 19:20-21, 20:9 ] And it should be clear that the word 'week' certainly does not mean week (as others have said) or perhaps 'week' is an incorrect translation. If we look at the whole context of the passage it becomes clear that Daniel is being told about 70 captivities; Daniel 1:21, 2 Chronicles 36:21, Daniel 9:1-23, Jeremiah 25:12,18,26. The correct translation is therefore 'captivities' not 'weeks'. This becomes evident in two main points within the passage: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks .... v 25. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah suffer the death penalty. v 26. Because of verse 26 we know that the rebuilding spoken of in 25 has happened, also because the Messiah suffering the death penalty has happened in time already. And scholars will multiply 7*7 to get 49 and multiply 62*7 to get 434, and then add 49 and 434 together and get 483. Then they'll talk about how about 483 years passed from Haggai to the time of Christ. Darius died around 486 BC, (Daniel 9:1) so from Daniels time to Christ was about 486 or so years, but years not days. You'll see the above or similar numbers used to confirm Daniel 9:25, they will use that math and say that about 483 years did pass. But if the translation is weeks, and we stick to it, then it's 483 days not years. Scholars will infer years, because of the time we can see, but there is no context to just turn "weeks" into "years". Now, if the real translation is 'captivities' let's see how that would work. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven captivities and threescore and two weeks .... A captivity is 70 years, the direct context of the passage tells us that: Daniel 9:1-2. So the real math would be 70*7 for the years, 490 years, plus 62 literal weeks. 490 years and 62 weeks from the time of Darius up to the death and resurrection of Christ. And also if the captivities translation is correct, the whole Daniel 9:24-27 passage is telling us that there would be thousands of years after the Messiah. Going on to verse 27, scholars again infer years from the word "week". But placing the better translation captivity; 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one captivity: and in the midst of the captivity he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined fire shall be poured upon the desolator. We see that the anti-Christ has 70 total years, in the middle of which he causes sacrifice to cease. And "one captivity" makes more sense, with "one week" one has to infer something that is not contextually there.
  20. Ezekiel 37:1-14 is indeed about actual resurrection. Ezekiel 37 contains the promise of resurrection given to the fathers that Paul speaks about in Acts, there is no other such promise given in the Bible, thereby it can be the only passage Paul is referring to: But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, "Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee: concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead am I called in question." Because the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection neither angel nor spirit, but the Pharisees confess both. Acts 23:6-8 I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise mode of God unto our fathers Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you that God should raise the dead? Acts 26:5-8 When the Pharisees read passages such as Ezekiel 37:1-14 they thought it was about actual resurrection, the Sadducees did not. And so we see Paul referring to: "Oh my people, I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves" Ezekiel 37:12 as a promise made of God to the fathers concerning actual resurrection. Because there is no other such resurrection promise to the nation directly from God. Why did Paul believe so strongly that it is about actual resurrection?! Because Christ actually died and actually rose from the dead! The Pharisees were right, resurrection is what is going to happen. Ezekiel 37 through 39 follows the same outline given in Revelation. Ezekiel 37:1-14 = Resurrections Ezekiel 37:15-28 = Reign Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog The texts themselves clearly give the above same outline, showing that they are giving the same prophecy in different ways. "I [Gog and Magog] will go to them that are at rest, that dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates" Ezekiel 38:11 That extremely clearly does not describe the Israel of our times, they are not at rest, they dwell with walls, and with bars and gates and armed solders guarding their settlements, and constant terror and war all the time. Gog and Magog, the nations of the world [Ezekiel 38:1,5-6] come up against the camp of the millennium saints that is in Jerusalem. And you shall come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall be in the latter days Ezekiel 38:16 they went up on the breath of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints Revelation 20:9 And I will bring judgement to him, with pestilence and with bloodshed and I will rain upon him, and upon his troops, and upon the many peoples that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Ezekiel 38:22 I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell securely in the islands Ezekiel 39:6 and a fire came down from God out of the sky and devoured them Revelation 20:9
  21. 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? and if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we will judge angels? "from the third heaven in the tribulation" Where are you getting that from? The context is clearly judgement, worldwide, and angels. Obadiah's "time zone" is 'For the day of the Lord is near' Obadiah 1:15 the day of the Lord, when the millennium begins. And Obadiah 1:21 says "deliverers shall come up... to judge" To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me on my throne Revelation 3:21 We who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom upon all flesh Jude 1:14-15 And the armies in the sky followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Revelation 19:14 [Rev 19:7-8] And I saw thrones, and they ^ sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them : and .. Revelation 20:4
  22. Do you not realize that we will judge angels? 1 Corinthians 6:3 For the day of the Lord is near, deliverers shall come up on mount Zion, to judge the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the Lords. Obadiah 1:15,21 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: Revelation 20:4 And the Lord planted a garden eastward in Eden.... the tree of life also in the midst of the garden Genesis 2:8-9 Blessed are they that do Jesus' commands, that they may have right to the tree of life Revelation 22:14
  23. The office of the beast. In times past it was more evident that they operated as kings. Waging wars and making laws. Today their kingship is largely secret. One day, a king will seem to die and then seem to be healed from death in a spectacular world changing way. [Rev 13:1-3] That king, in the office, is the beast. After his wounding/healing he will start to say that Jesus will arrive soon, and sure enough "Jesus" will arrive, and then together they will deceive the world and cause much death and destruction.
  24. 6000 would be the start of the 1000 year reign of Christ, which may not be on the exact day or year that He initially returns. Christ returns after the beast and false prophet are in power. The false prophet is one pretending to be Christ, with miracles.
  25. The 1917 Balfour declaration. Called for a 'national home for the Jewish people' during the first world war. "..when strangers cast lots for Jerusalem, even you were as one of them..." Obadiah 1:11 1918 WW1 ends, 1920 League of nations forms. WW2 begins 1939, Hitler forcefully branding people as Jews, and killing many that resisted. The United Nations is founded 1945, League of nations ends 1946. Via the United Nations what was called Palestine becomes Israel. Many Arabs, Jews and Christians lived there. Refugees from WW2 flood Israel, hoping for a place in Israel because they are Jews, and because of Hitler. Arabic nations and the ruling government are hesitant. And when the state of Israel is declared war immediately breaks out. From 1948 to 1967 half of Jerusalem is literally desolate and uninhabited. After 1967 a Zionist government takes power, evicting Palestinians from their homes, to move Zionists in, and a campaign of settlements begins. Many military checkpoints are placed in Israel at major road intersections and various crossroads, these checkpoints make life very hard for Palestinians, and out right enslave others. "you should not have stood in the crossroads to cut off those of his that did escape neither should you have made captive those of his that did remain" Obadiah 1:14 To go along with what has happened, one has to first assert that those people descend from Jacob, and that they have a God given right to the land. We as Christians believe that the Jews have a God given right to the land. But many religious Jews, in Israel today, will take you to Leviticus 26:39-42 and tell you how they do not have a right to the land because that passage says they are to remain in exile. Many among those Jews rally to have the land given back to the Palestinians. And there is no proof that anybody descends from Jacob. If we are going to the Bible for truth, in both Ezra and Nehemiah it tells us that the Jews mixed with many people. Therefore many of us may have some ancient Jewish blood. We call them Jews without any evidence other than they say they are Jews, and from what happened during Hitlers time. If we go to the Bible for truth, we see Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 where Jesus specifically says there are people claiming to be Jews and are not, and He tells us what they really are. Even if we say that those passages refer to people of the past, it could be that there are people today that descend from those people of the past, considering themselves to be Jews based on the lies of their ancestors. I do think that is the case, the true heart of the matter being that their ancestors descend from Esau. So they are Jews in a technical sense, but not part of the 12 from Jacob.
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