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  1. I think some translations change Psalms 104:4 even more, and some even exclude it. But we also have Job 38:4-9. When He laid the corner stone of the land, 'the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy'. Then He goes on to speak of shutting up the sea, which is the creation of the sky. It is the order given in the passages that shows when things were made. Job 38:4-11 Genesis 1:1-17 Psalms 104:1-9 They give the same general order, Job and Psalms include 'sons of God' 'angels'. Proverbs 8:23 specifically tells us that wisdom was first. Colossians 1:17 tells us Christ was first. Therefore wisdom concerning Christ was first, the plan concerning Christ, God's choice was very first
  2. Certainly 'aliens' and 'ufos' are a deception, built upon other deceptions. When Revelation 9 is happening the world will be led to believe that it is just random 'aliens'. Paul mentions the trumpet sounding as he also does in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, connecting the two passages. In a moment we will be transformed and up in the air with Christ. A vast army in the sky on horses.
  3. I don't think the devil was cast out before the earth was created. No one was with God or before God when He created. [ Isaiah 44:24 kjv ] The angels were created sometime around when the sky was created; Psalms 104:3-4 kjv. Wisdom was made first, [Proverbs 8:23-25] that is, God's wise plan to send His Son to die on behalf of His creation. God planned to let His Son humbly die, that was God's choice before any other choices were made. A wise plan, He would tackle the ideas of death and an end, rising from it. Therefore whatever negative choices made by His freewill creatures matter little, He already chose to die. As such Christ did die innocently, experiencing all of death, He took the keys of death and of hades, and rose from death back to physical life, and ascended physically to the throne of God, He Himself in control of the opening of the seals of the end times.
  4. Please explain from scripture how you come to that conclusion. Your going to simply infer that "graves" does not mean "graves", right? And your going to want to say that 37:22 has been fulfilled, but what does the verse say? "neither shall they be divided into two nations any more at all" Today the place is divided, there are two major governing bodies, a Palestinian authority and an Israeli authority. And also there has been a third, the Gaza authority, in times past (see Joshua 22 and my avatar) all of these territories and more were Israel as one nation. The truth is backed by loads of scripture, please take some time to carefully read it all.
  5. I believe there is a word missing from the translation of verse 27; fire. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one "week": and in the midst of the "week" he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined fire shall be poured upon the desolator. [ For Tophet it is ordained of old; yea for the king it is prepared; God has made it deep and large; the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, does kindle it. Isaiah 30:31 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him.... these both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with fire and brimstone.... And the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth... Revelation 19:20-21 Creation of the lake of fire; Revelation 11:15, 19:20-21, 20:9 ] And it should be clear that the word 'week' certainly does not mean week (as others have said) or perhaps 'week' is an incorrect translation. If we look at the whole context of the passage it becomes clear that Daniel is being told about 70 captivities; Daniel 1:21, 2 Chronicles 36:21, Daniel 9:1-23, Jeremiah 25:12,18,26. The correct translation is therefore 'captivities' not 'weeks'. This becomes evident in two main points within the passage: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks .... v 25. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah suffer the death penalty. v 26. Because of verse 26 we know that the rebuilding spoken of in 25 has happened, also because the Messiah suffering the death penalty has happened in time already. And scholars will multiply 7*7 to get 49 and multiply 62*7 to get 434, and then add 49 and 434 together and get 483. Then they'll talk about how about 483 years passed from Haggai to the time of Christ. Darius died around 486 BC, (Daniel 9:1) so from Daniels time to Christ was about 486 or so years, but years not days. You'll see the above or similar numbers used to confirm Daniel 9:25, they will use that math and say that about 483 years did pass. But if the translation is weeks, and we stick to it, then it's 483 days not years. Scholars will infer years, because of the time we can see, but there is no context to just turn "weeks" into "years". Now, if the real translation is 'captivities' let's see how that would work. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven captivities and threescore and two weeks .... A captivity is 70 years, the direct context of the passage tells us that: Daniel 9:1-2. So the real math would be 70*7 for the years, 490 years, plus 62 literal weeks. 490 years and 62 weeks from the time of Darius up to the death and resurrection of Christ. And also if the captivities translation is correct, the whole Daniel 9:24-27 passage is telling us that there would be thousands of years after the Messiah. Going on to verse 27, scholars again infer years from the word "week". But placing the better translation captivity; 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one captivity: and in the midst of the captivity he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined fire shall be poured upon the desolator. We see that the anti-Christ has 70 total years, in the middle of which he causes sacrifice to cease. And "one captivity" makes more sense, with "one week" one has to infer something that is not contextually there.
  6. Ezekiel 37:1-14 is indeed about actual resurrection. Ezekiel 37 contains the promise of resurrection given to the fathers that Paul speaks about in Acts, there is no other such promise given in the Bible, thereby it can be the only passage Paul is referring to: But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, "Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee: concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead am I called in question." Because the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection neither angel nor spirit, but the Pharisees confess both. Acts 23:6-8 I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise mode of God unto our fathers Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you that God should raise the dead? Acts 26:5-8 When the Pharisees read passages such as Ezekiel 37:1-14 they thought it was about actual resurrection, the Sadducees did not. And so we see Paul referring to: "Oh my people, I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves" Ezekiel 37:12 as a promise made of God to the fathers concerning actual resurrection. Because there is no other such resurrection promise to the nation directly from God. Why did Paul believe so strongly that it is about actual resurrection?! Because Christ actually died and actually rose from the dead! The Pharisees were right, resurrection is what is going to happen. Ezekiel 37 through 39 follows the same outline given in Revelation. Ezekiel 37:1-14 = Resurrections Ezekiel 37:15-28 = Reign Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog The texts themselves clearly give the above same outline, showing that they are giving the same prophecy in different ways. "I [Gog and Magog] will go to them that are at rest, that dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates" Ezekiel 38:11 That extremely clearly does not describe the Israel of our times, they are not at rest, they dwell with walls, and with bars and gates and armed solders guarding their settlements, and constant terror and war all the time. Gog and Magog, the nations of the world [Ezekiel 38:1,5-6] come up against the camp of the millennium saints that is in Jerusalem. And you shall come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall be in the latter days Ezekiel 38:16 they went up on the breath of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints Revelation 20:9 And I will bring judgement to him, with pestilence and with bloodshed and I will rain upon him, and upon his troops, and upon the many peoples that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Ezekiel 38:22 I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell securely in the islands Ezekiel 39:6 and a fire came down from God out of the sky and devoured them Revelation 20:9
  7. 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? and if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we will judge angels? "from the third heaven in the tribulation" Where are you getting that from? The context is clearly judgement, worldwide, and angels. Obadiah's "time zone" is 'For the day of the Lord is near' Obadiah 1:15 the day of the Lord, when the millennium begins. And Obadiah 1:21 says "deliverers shall come up... to judge" To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me on my throne Revelation 3:21 We who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom upon all flesh Jude 1:14-15 And the armies in the sky followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Revelation 19:14 [Rev 19:7-8] And I saw thrones, and they ^ sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them : and .. Revelation 20:4
  8. Do you not realize that we will judge angels? 1 Corinthians 6:3 For the day of the Lord is near, deliverers shall come up on mount Zion, to judge the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the Lords. Obadiah 1:15,21 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: Revelation 20:4 And the Lord planted a garden eastward in Eden.... the tree of life also in the midst of the garden Genesis 2:8-9 Blessed are they that do Jesus' commands, that they may have right to the tree of life Revelation 22:14
  9. The office of the beast. In times past it was more evident that they operated as kings. Waging wars and making laws. Today their kingship is largely secret. One day, a king will seem to die and then seem to be healed from death in a spectacular world changing way. [Rev 13:1-3] That king, in the office, is the beast. After his wounding/healing he will start to say that Jesus will arrive soon, and sure enough "Jesus" will arrive, and then together they will deceive the world and cause much death and destruction.
  10. 6000 would be the start of the 1000 year reign of Christ, which may not be on the exact day or year that He initially returns. Christ returns after the beast and false prophet are in power. The false prophet is one pretending to be Christ, with miracles.
  11. The 1917 Balfour declaration. Called for a 'national home for the Jewish people' during the first world war. "..when strangers cast lots for Jerusalem, even you were as one of them..." Obadiah 1:11 1918 WW1 ends, 1920 League of nations forms. WW2 begins 1939, Hitler forcefully branding people as Jews, and killing many that resisted. The United Nations is founded 1945, League of nations ends 1946. Via the United Nations what was called Palestine becomes Israel. Many Arabs, Jews and Christians lived there. Refugees from WW2 flood Israel, hoping for a place in Israel because they are Jews, and because of Hitler. Arabic nations and the ruling government are hesitant. And when the state of Israel is declared war immediately breaks out. From 1948 to 1967 half of Jerusalem is literally desolate and uninhabited. After 1967 a Zionist government takes power, evicting Palestinians from their homes, to move Zionists in, and a campaign of settlements begins. Many military checkpoints are placed in Israel at major road intersections and various crossroads, these checkpoints make life very hard for Palestinians, and out right enslave others. "you should not have stood in the crossroads to cut off those of his that did escape neither should you have made captive those of his that did remain" Obadiah 1:14 To go along with what has happened, one has to first assert that those people descend from Jacob, and that they have a God given right to the land. We as Christians believe that the Jews have a God given right to the land. But many religious Jews, in Israel today, will take you to Leviticus 26:39-42 and tell you how they do not have a right to the land because that passage says they are to remain in exile. Many among those Jews rally to have the land given back to the Palestinians. And there is no proof that anybody descends from Jacob. If we are going to the Bible for truth, in both Ezra and Nehemiah it tells us that the Jews mixed with many people. Therefore many of us may have some ancient Jewish blood. We call them Jews without any evidence other than they say they are Jews, and from what happened during Hitlers time. If we go to the Bible for truth, we see Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 where Jesus specifically says there are people claiming to be Jews and are not, and He tells us what they really are. Even if we say that those passages refer to people of the past, it could be that there are people today that descend from those people of the past, considering themselves to be Jews based on the lies of their ancestors. I do think that is the case, the true heart of the matter being that their ancestors descend from Esau. So they are Jews in a technical sense, but not part of the 12 from Jacob.
  12. I strongly think no one should get it.
  13. Political agenda? Which you think is what? Obadiah simply says what it says. I think, the instrument... will certainly be chief again, it is news that will overshadow any other news for Americans, good theater. And Jacob will continue to suffer until the Messiah returns, just as Obadiah foreshadows. Free Palestine is the wrong chant, free Jacob you will not hear in the streets, and is what I'm showing you, no? Agenda 2051, lol, please notice that the "Star of David" has 6 points, 6 triangles, and is a 6 sided hexagram in the middle.
  14. Obadiah is clearly about our times, leading to the day of the Lord, and the kingdom of the Lord just as it says. For the violence against thy brother Jacob, shame shall cover thee, and you shall be cut off forever. In the day that you stood on the other side, in the day that strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and casts lots for Jerusalem, even you were as one of them. Obadiah 1:10-11 You should not have entered into the gates of my people in the day of their calamity, yes, you should not have gloated over their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity. Obadiah 1:13 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion [mount Zion is Jerusalem] to judge the mount of Esau; [so Esau is in Jerusalem, just as verse 13 says] and the kingdom shall be the Lords. Obadiah 1:21 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews and are not, but do lie; ( false swearers ) behold I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 3:9 And I hated Esau and laid his mountains waste..... I will be a swift witness against... false swearers... and them that turn aside the stranger from his right, because they do not fear me says the Lord. Malachi 1:3 to 3:5. Them that say, Stand by yourself, come not near to me, for I am holier than thou. These cause my wrath to smoke a fire that will burn all the day. Isaiah 65:5 ( Malachi 4:1-3 ) It simply is that these passages are very descriptive, as we look in Israel, we can see the peoples that perfectly fit these descriptions, behaving in the very ways described; turning aside "strangers" [Jacob has become a stranger; Obadiah 1:12] from their right, and things like closing streets so they can walk without any "Palestinians" around. This kind of behavior has been happening from people calling themselves Jews, since at least 1967. The Bible clearly calls them out. Much of what is happening in Gaza now is therefore violence against Jacob. Some of the "Palestinians" actually descend from Jacob, and some of the Zionists actually descend from Esau. Zionism is not Judaism, plenty of religious Jews in Israel will tell you so.
  15. Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your hearts.... love ye therefore the stranger. Deuteronomy 10:16-19 The stranger that dwells among you shall be as one born among you and you shall love him as yourself, I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 19:33-34 If you meet your enemies donkey or ox going a stray, you shall surely give it back to him. If you see someone that hates you struggling with his burden, you shall surely help him with it. Exodus 23:4-5 You shall not oppress a stranger, seeing you were strangers in the land of Israel. Exodus 23:9 Son of man, thy brethren, even thy kindred, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, get you far from the Lord, unto us is this land given in possession. Ezekiel 11:15 I will be a swift witness against... false swearers... and them that turn aside the stranger from his right. Malachi 3:5 Because he is not a Jew which is one outwardly... circumcision is that of the heart. The land was given to Jacob not Esau, but the Bible tells us that Esau would be ruling in Zion at the end. And describes what Esau will do in the land. You should not have gloated over your brother in the day that he became a stranger. You should not have entered into the gates of my people. You should not have stood in the crossroads to cut off those of his that did escape you should not have made captive those of his that did remain. For the day of the Lord is near. Deliverers shall come up on mount Zion, to judge the mount of Esau, and the kingdom shall be the Lords. Obadiah 1:12,13,14,15,21 Since 1967 literal military checkpoints at and on many various crossroads in Israel have made some captive, (like those in the Gaza strip who have had only 1 military checkpoint as a way in and out, since 1967) and restricted tourism and returns to other areas, making them effect ghost towns. Obadiah prophesied about it, making it clear who is who. Many in Israel will plainly tell you that Zionism is not Judaism, the other day I saw a video of some religious Jews, in Israel, being violently harassed by the police simply because they expressed that there should be a ceasefire and that the Palestinians should not be mistreated. Anyone sincerely studying the Torah itself would see the above commands, and they do, plenty in Israel are circumcised, whether they descend from Esau or Jacob matters little, a circumcision of the heart; love for even those considered strangers, is what matters. But Zionism originates from people who actually descend from Esau and not Jacob, the Bible speaks of all this, we can see Obadiah 1:21 and Revelation 3:9.
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