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2 Thess 2:1-12. The only ones who this can be is Caesar, Rome, and the Bishop of Rome/Vatican. The beast is Rome, Dan 2, Dan 7. Titus destroyed Jerusalem. This passage was written just a few years before 70 AD. Why would Paul be warning them about something 2000 years away as if it were imminent? Jesus does destroy the Roman beast at His coming for the gospel kingdom. The Roman beast is still here, continual from 63 BC, as the statue of Dan 2, proves.

1 Thess 5:2-6, Which day of the Lord is this? You didn't answer, you just avoided the question.

Yes, the Revelation is about the Jews/children of Israel centered around the time after 70 AD ish. There are 2 groups of the children of Israel shown, believing and unbelieving. The unbelieving children of Israel are shown in the 7 seals/7 trumpets and the Rev 17-18 woman (Jerusalem). The Christian Jews/children of Israel in the gospel kingdom are shown as the 2 witnesses and the Rev 12 woman. The Revelation is not centered on the gentile side of the gospel kingdom. Understand that the scriptures (OT) are about the genetic descendants of Jacob, both believing and unbelieving. The NT letters and the Revelation continue in that context of addressing the genetic line. Israel as a genetic nation (group) continued under Roman rule just as during the rule of Babylon both believing and unbelieving. Now that Jerusalem is restored, the children of Israel/Jews are in control over the land mass that is called Israel. ? In the year 96 AD ish, what events were "At hand"? What events in the Revelation were about to happen after 96 AD? Which events did happen then? It means that some of the events in the Revelation were happening at the time of John or just after his time. What happens when someone sees the face of Jesus when He comes with the glory of God? Matt 16:27. Ex 33:20, To see the face of God/Jesus is death. So if "Every eye shall see Him", it means that everybody will die, which is exactly what is going to happen when Jesus comes for the gospel kingdom. Living Christians in the kingdom will be changed and raptured, but all unbelievers who are alive will die within the hour, Rev 11:13, and then resurrected to judgment, within the hour. Every eye shall see Him and die, except those who are changed and raptured. Where is Jesus right now? Floating above the earth? Jesus and His angels are in the heavenly Jerusalem right now, Heb 12:22-24. Jesus is only coming back for the 2nd resurrection/rapt and then He delivers the kingdom up to God. The Pentecost gospel kingdom is on planet earth right now. After Jerusalem falls.

1. God/Jesus rules the universe, has set thing in motion, and holds it together. 2. God rules over the unbelievers and believers. 3. God rules unbelievers, but they are rebellious in heart, mind, deeds and reject God's love. 4. God rules over those in the Pentecost gospel kingdom, but they are submissive to God/Jesus and his ways of love. 5. Jesus/God rules the world, but there will always be those who rebel and disobey the laws of love, so they do not allow love to rule their lives. 6. In this sense, by willful submission, Jesus/God rules the lives of those only in the kingdom by the Holy Spirit of love, the gospel millennium kingdom. The rest of humanity is not under the rule of love but is under the rule of sin. So when it talks about Jesus ruling, it is only those in the kingdom and not the entire gentile material planet. The divisions of denominations becomes clearer as we stop calling it the "church" and call it by it's real name, The Kingdom of Israel. The Baptist Kingdom of Israel. The Lutheran Kingdom of Israel. The Assembly of God Kingdom of Israel. The Roman Catholic Kingdom of Israel. At first, before the reformation, the scriptures and NT letters were held by Rome in Latin and the Jews who held the OT were attacked. As the Bible was translated the truth became know in different degrees at different times. As the truth became known, people broke away from Rome but were still clinging on to the traditions. Some are still practiced in our groups today. As many sins are forgiven, those who are being led by humans are subject to faults and mistakes, they are also subject to forgiveness by the grace of Jesus. That is done on a personal basis and not necessarily by denomination.

1 Thess 5:3-6, V 2, The day of the Lord. Which day of the Lord is he talking about? There is the day of the Lord against 1st century Jerusalem and a day of the Lord against this present restored Jerusalem. --- 1. The day of the Lord against 70 AD Jerusalem is shown in Matt 24, Mk 13, and Lk 21 for example. It is shown in Acts 2:15-21. The misunderstanding comes from confusing the 2 comings of Jesus. Jesus came as God in 70 AD and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. But it wasn't a resurrection presence/coming. ---- 2. The final day of the Lord is shown as the 2nd resurrection when Jesus comes for the kingdom, 1 Cor 15:23-28 and where the elements melt with fervent heat, 2 Pet 3:10-14. Both events happen because the majority of Israel have rejected Jesus and the Pentecost gospel kingdom. The 2nd and final resurrection takes place just after this present Jerusalem falls to Iran. The coming of Jesus and the 2nd/final resurrection is shown at the 6th vial/bowl in Rev 16:15. It uses the same imagery as the passages about His coming at the 70 AD destruction. Both passages are about remaining alert for the events described in those passages.

63 BC, Rome invades Israel and begins it's power of ruling the Jews. The iron nation of Dan 2, and the 4th beast nation of Dan 7. One head "is" in John's time, Rev 17. That means that the beast nation is in power in John's time of 96 AD ish. 3rd century, Rome divides into east and west. The legs divide in the statue of Dan 2. 380 AD is when the fatal blow for the Roman Empire was struck. The feet begin to have clay as the Roman Empire loses territories where Jews live. 476 AD the toes appear as Rome's power over Jews is scattered among gentile kingdoms, in Europe for example. Rome's fatal wound is healed as the false prophet Vatican retains religious power and creates a image Roman Empire and Caesar. They continue to rule over the Jews until Jerusalem is restored, 1967. Then the iron ends, just before the stone strikes. The Revelation is primarily about the Jews during the time when Rome rules over them with the emphasis being on the time after 70 AD. Even though the Empire had divided, Jews were still ruled by the Vatican. Look closely at Rev 19:11, It doesn't say that Jesus returns to planet Earth. It says heaven is opened and Jesus and the saints are seen in heaven, but it does not say that He is returning to earth at that time. Jesus fights from heaven with the gospel sword coming from His mouth. It's not a material rod is it? When you sin, Jesus appears out of nowhere and beats you with a material iron rod? Jesus rules our gospel kingdom with love in our hearts. If we sin, we have guilt. The guilt bruises our soul with a pain in our hearts like being struck with an iron rod. There is no escape from the pain and bruises in our soul except Jesus. The guilt from sin lasts a long time, like memories. Those outside of the kingdom are not sensitive to sin like we are. They are hard hearted cruel with no feelings of sympathy. Jesus didn't return when the Roman Empire fell. The Rev 19 vision is about the fall of the Roman Empire and that it's fall and divisions were because of the gospel kingdom that began on Pentecost. Jesus rules the gospel kingdom, the rest of the gentile nations go on as usual. These Revelation visions are similar to dreams. We have a dream and then want to glean meaning from it. The Dan 2 statue is an example. The king had a dream. The dream had symbols. The symbols needed Daniel to explain them. The symbols represented real entities and events surrounding the future of the Jews. In the same way, the Revelation represents entities and events about the Jews under the rule of the iron Roman Empire. The Revelation is not all future to John in 96 AD ish, there is some past there also. Modern definitions and viewpoints sometimes have distorted the images. The Vatican claims to be the gospel kingdom of Israel exclusively. "You are not a Christian unless you are Roman Catholic", they say. So Rome does claim to be the kingdom of Israel, the church exclusively. There are Christians in Israel today, so the kingdom is there. Men and women who are not freed from sin by the gift of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:38. Heaven is opened, and John sees Jesus in heaven with His saints. It doesn't say that He is returning to planet earth, He fights from heaven with the gospel sword. The winepress that Jesus treads is the unbelieving Jews as long as they are outside the city of Jerusalem, Rev 14:20. They are outside of Jerusalem until the times of the gentiles is over. Again, think of this vision like a dream that needs the symbols to be understood. The battle is between Jesus and the gospel kingdom and Rome. The victory is by conversion to be a Christian. The Roman beast nation didn't end when a few people or Caesars died. It lasts centuries and to our time. Those who are cast into hell are already judged because they rejected Jesus, John 3:18. The beast nation, Caesar, and the religion of Caesar worship is thrown into the fire. These are the souls who fought against the gospel kingdom and killed saints. There punishment is immediate. This remnant is the Vatican, the image Roman Empire with an image Caesar at the top. The beast that was taken was the Roman Empire, but there is a remnant Vatican. The false prophet is Caesar and the Bishop of Rome. Rome destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, a miracle of evil. Jews and gentiles The lake of fire is still there, it is eternal. The remnant didn't escape, It's not a material battle. The remnant is Rome divided into 10. What happens to the remnant? How long does the remnant live? Understand that John was shown the defeat of the Roman Empire by the gospel kingdom that divided and broke Rome in pieces, Dan 2:44. If this was your dream, Rev 19, the meaning would be that the gospel kingdom divides and conquers the Roman Empire.

Israel loses the battle/war of Armageddon and Jerusalem will fall to the kings of the east/Iran. This will happen soon. --- The war of Armageddon has been going on for years. It began when the power of Iraq was ended. Iraq kept Iran from attacking Israel and restored Jerusalem. Some think that there will be only one battle with no battles before it. Only one battle where the gentile nations attack. As the present situation shows, that is not what has happened. Just think of what has to happen in order for this situation to build up. The battle of Armageddon is just the last battle of the war of Armageddon.

Where does the Bible say that the battle/war of Armageddon only lasts hours?

Rev 19:11-21, is not Armageddon. It is showing the victory over the Roman Empire by the gospel sword. It is when Rome is divided into a symbolic 10 toes/horns. Rev 16, 6th vial/bowl shows Armageddon by name. The Rev 16 battle is between the kings from across the Euphrates River. The beast/dragon/false prophet deceive those kings into attacking restored Jerusalem. The Rev 19, battle is Jesus attacking the Roman beast with the gospel. Christianity conquers Rome when the Roman Empire becomes "Christian". Who is the remnant of the Roman beast? The Vatican and the Bishop of Rome. The Vatican government is the image of the Roman Empire and the Bishop of Rome is the image Caesar. It can't be showing the very end of the beast nation because there is a remnant. The remnant is the 10 toes/horns. If we were living in the time when the Rev was written, we would see that Rome had destroyed Jerusalem and was forcing Jews to worship Caesar as God. I suppose that one deception would be that it is better to worship Caesar than die. Can Satan do things that men would consider a miracle? For example, would the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the temple be considered a miracle of Satan? It might be if Caesar said that he was more powerful than the God of Israel and the 70 AD destruction proved it. After all, who could destroy the temple if God was protecting it? Try thinking of these things as if you were living in 96 AD. 6 Bowls have been poured out, the 7th will come after this restored Israel loses to the kings of the East. Some things are literal, some are symbolic. If they are all taken as literal, then the meaning becomes distorted. Please compare this Rev 16:18 verse to the Rev 11, 7th trumpet. Jerusalem being divided into 3 parts shows that Jerusalem is the center of radiating power. That is, The destruction of the 7th vial is centered on Jerusalem and all the effects of the 7th vial radiate from there throughout the planet. Think about this, no more mountains or islands. Whether it is literal or symbolic, is shows the power of the 7th vial. Seeing that this destructive power radiates from Jerusalem shows that Jerusalem is completely vaporized. ----- Consider that if Israel would win the battle, then there would be no need for the 7th bowl on Jerusalem.

This situation in the Middle East is the result of Israel and Iran prophecy. Israel tried to make peace many times but Iran did not stop their aggression. Israel must fight back or die. The War of Armageddon is going on now. The battle of Armageddon is just the last battle that Israel loses. There will always be children of Israel in the gentile nations. The times of the gentiles ends when Israel controls Jerusalem, 1967, Lk 21:20-24, 24. This restoration of Jerusalem is another timeline anchor that shows we are at the time before the 2nd resurrection and the last judgment, Rev 20. Do the Jews control the money in China? India? Russia? Indonesia? Iran? Saudi Aribia? Any Islamic countries? That is most of the world's population. Elon Musk? The idea that Jews control the world is, without support. Revelation already shows that Jerusalem falls because of the numbers that are against them. So it doesn't really matter if Israel fires it's nukes, Rev 9:16. Will Israel nuke itself? 85 mi wide, 290 mi long? Will they nuke Jerusalem? No. Missile silos are inoperable when their hatches are damaged. The military situation will only get worse for America and Israel. Military force is not the only power at work in these prophetic events. Natural disasters such as earthquakes, volcanos, storms, and other events play a part too. The Revelation doesn't show the politics of modern nations. It shows the events and entities centered on restored Jerusalem. As a result, we only know the Jerusalem falls because of the attacking armies and where they are from, the Euphrates area. I agree. The event that I am watching for is when America abandons Israel. America has turned on it's allies. How long before America turns on Israel, abandons Israel? But maybe America won't and it will be some natural disaster that prevents America from acting. I know that something will happen, what exactly it will be is not clear. I believe that we are in the last few moments of human life on this planet before Jesus comes for the gospel kingdom. The prophecies all fit together once we have the events on the right timeline. It can all be explained now as 2000 years of history have past and the times of the gentiles is ended.

Yes I agree. The 70 AD scattering is one timeline anchor that can be seen in several passages. Rev 11, The 2 witnesses are outside the city for the times of the gentiles (ToG's), the scattering. They return to the Jerusalem after the ToG's is ended, the restoration of Jerusalem, (1967) Rev 12, The faithful woman in the gospel kingdom flees onto the gentile nations wilderness, 70 AD, the scattering. The woman returns to Jerusalem after her time in the wilderness, the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel. Rev 14:20, The winepress is trodden outside the city (Jerusalem). As long as Israel is outside the city of Jerusalem the winepress is active. When Israel returns to be in the city, then the time of the winepress of Israel is ended. The time of the winepress is the ToG's. Rev 20:9, The image of Jerusalem being attacked shows that Jerusalem is restored by that time. The timeline anchors are the scattering of Israel in 70 AD and the restoration of Jerusalem in 1967. --- If we believe that we are living in the time when Jerusalem is restored, And we believe that the kingdom is the gospel kingdom and there will be no material kingdom on this planet, Then we should reason out that the forces of Magog are presently surrounding Israel and Jerusalem and the 2nd resurrection is about to take place. ----- Satan is bound from destroying Israel as long as they are in the gentile nations. Once Jerusalem is restored, Satan deceives the gentile nations into attacking restored Jerusalem.

A government "by the people" and "for the people" to "promote the general welfare" is socialism. Again, socialism. What is the opposite of socialism? If I were to ask what the opposite of "up"? It would be down. The opposite of left would be right. What is the opposite of socialism? Can you describe the government that you are looking for? If you were in charge, what would you be doing? What would you be encouraging? Would you use government to make a better world for everybody or just the a few at the top would reap the benefits of government? Would you feed the hungry? Shelter the homeless? Heal the sick? Build better highways? Make transport safer? Stop air, water, and soil pollution? Would you help people in disasters that have devastated counties and states? How would you do that? But wait, all of that is socialism? ---- What is the opposite idea of socialism? Capitalism? Where the selfish love of money rules the nation? That is why some people are escaping America in fear.

All Christians, real Christians, have Agape love to some degree by the Gift of the Holy Spirit, (God/love in us) Acts 2:38. Hopefully, we have that love for our children, wives, brothers and sisters, friends, neighbors, strangers, immigrants, and our enemies.

A government "by the people" and "for the people" to "promote the general welfare", isn't that socialism?

I did watch it. It is basically saying that it was everybody else's fault and not Trump. Trump called for them to be there multiple times. Trump got them to assemble. Trump told them to march. Trump watched on TV for hours and did nothing when congress was attacked. He texted to rioters to quit and they did. Why didn't he stop it right away? --- Now they want you to say that it was the police. It was Antifa. It was the FBI, the CIA (Trump was in power over them), leftists, BLM, LGBTQ, paid rioters,. They were identified and they were not any of those.