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No buddy, you're not. I haven't been around here for quite a while. But I saw this thread and was feeling for ya. I believe as you do. Blessings!! Jen

I agree Eric. 1 Timothy 4 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. 8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11 These things command and teach. 12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. 15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. 16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

I attend the Bible Church of God Jen

This is one of my favorites right now. It's from Mercy Me's most recent cd called Undone. I love this song!! It makes me feel so humbled inside for what Yeshua did for me. He freed me! No apologies For who I'm meant to be The only thing that matters is I am free When I am overwhelmed Holding pieces of my heart When I feel my world Start to fall apart To the cross I run Holding high my chains undone Now I am finally free Free to be what I've become Undone Even in defeat The face of tragedy Still you'd have to say that I found victory In brokenness comes beauty Divine fragility Reminding me of nail scarred hands Reaching out for me To the cross I run Holding high my chains undone Now I am finally free Free to be what I've become To the cross I run Holding high my chains undone Now I am finally free Free to be what I've become Undone Hallelujah I'm undone! To the cross I run Holding high my chains undone Now I am finally free Free to be what I've become To the cross I run Holding high my chains undone Now I am finally free Free to be what I've become Undone To the cross I run To be what I've become And I'm undone

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My interpretation is such. Hell is the grave. We will all go there unless Messiah returns first. Even Yeshua was there. The question is will the grave hold you? No. Everyone will raise eventually. Does that mean everyone will be saved? No. Will you raise to be with Messiah here in the Kingdom or will you raise at the Great White Throne Judgement to burn and die? Just thought I'd throw my 2 pennies in there.... Hi Fiosh-e-poo!!

You're so cute!! That's a whole other thread..... I understand your point of view though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're the first one on this board that made me laugh out loud (and not in a negative way). I'd really like to start a thread to discuss "Take and eat, for this is my body". Do you think that would make the mods too nervous? Fiosh <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

John 10:38 that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks...

You are leaving the Wal-Mart. As you walk thru the parking lot you see a woman holding a small child upside-down dangling by one leg. She is beating the stuffing out of him. You are appalled! You race over to help the child. Before you can get there, you see her take the child in her arms and lovingly hold him close, covering him with kisses. You are baffled. When you ask her what is going on, she replies that her young son was choking, and the Heimlach didn't work. So, she tried the old-fashioned way, and turned him upside-down and smacked him repeatedly on the back. It worked. This actually happened to me. The guy was ready to call the police until I explained. Oh my!! That must have been horrible!! When I enter my church, there is a life-sized Crucifix on the wall. (a cross with the image of Jesus on it). Every time I pass it, I kiss my fingertips and press them to the nails in His feet. I see nothing wrong with this. My issue is when people bow down in front of a statue of a "dead person" like Mary. Only Yah can answer your prayers. It is a symbolic gesture. In my heart, I say to the real Jesus who lives in me, "My Jesus forgive me for putting that nail in your feet. I love you with all my heart". Not that you need my approval but I see nothing wrong with that either No one can see what is in my heart.....but Jesus. I do disagree here. I believe the only one that can see your heart is Yahweh

Rusty I 100% agree. I knew what you were saying and I don't believe that people go to heaven or hell when they die but I've already "been there, done that" on 2 other threads. I am exceptionally bothered by the term "holy father" and "vicar of christ" I don't like it. But.....what am I to do? I was just hoping for something for Fiosh and I to agree on. I don't like to debate people and when I feel it starts to get "yucky" I prefer to make peace. I like it here and I don't want to get kicked off because I am a minority.

Mike said: am not judging any person, judging the gospel that is not lining up with the Word of God that is being spread. To me, by telling someone they belong to a cult you are judging them and you don't know that person's heart. what does James say about accepting those sharing a gosple other then that of Jesus? depends on the version being read from, but it says that we are not to bid them God Speed, putting it plainly, we are not to accept them into our house, if they are spreading any other gosple, and we are not to bless them on their way if they are taking with them a gosple other then that of Jesus Christ..... I agree not judging the people, just judging the gosple in which they are trying to tell us we are to accept, and it does not line up with the Word of God..... Well, I don't agree with some of the catholic doctrine or baptist or jews so should I label all of them a cult? the only way that we will know if it lines up with the Word of God is if we are ground in the Word of God..... we have to know the Word of God in our hearts, not just in our little pea pickin brains, but in our hearts, and to know it in our hearts we have to have the Spirit of the Lord in our hearts..... I have Yahweh in my heart. How could you possibly know I don't? That is my point many people hear something that sounds good and they jump on it and try to follow it with out checking it out with the Word of God.... they take another mans word for it rather then verify it for them selves..... I agree with what makes sense and I verify it every time I read scripture if we go to studying other sects, or studying cults, then we will confuse our hearts and will be more confused as to what is really the Word of God. I have no need to study another group that is not of God, to know they are not of God..... I don't recall you saying anything about studying these people, I just remember a bunch of labeling. I'll have to go back and read your first post again. as for a sad thread, maybe it is, but this is a sad world we live in. should we really have to have a thread as this? no, but then the world should not be where it is to day either..... It is a sad world but I just don't think it was necessary. All it does is cause animosity. Agreed? when man worships man over God, and allows one man to have complete authority over their lives, when people look to common spirits for answers, when people look to the stars for answers, when people look to anyone other then God for their answers, then it is a sad world. I agree but my number one worry is everlasting life. We can't save the world and trust me, the world won't save themselves. Blessings, Jen

Fiosh, Ok. Peace. To me those that aren't "in Christ" are dead. Make sense? Jen

It's pointless to pray to the dead because they are just that...dead. But that's another topic... Yahweh is the only one who get's my prayers but of course I ask for them in His Son's precious name.

This is a sad and ridiculous thread.... Luke 6:37 - Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: I know none of you are God so I know none of you knows what's in a person's heart. ....and no, I don't belong to any of those groups you mentioned in case you were wondering.

I tithe and I enjoy every bit of it. I truly believe the blessings my husband and I have been receiving daily are because we freely and happily give to Yah. Now I am however under a different situation then most of you. Those of you who attend a church regularly. My minister does not live off our tithes. They go into an account and they stay there. My minister works for Honda. We did buy some land and Lord willing will be building a church of our own next year. The only times those funds are dispersed are if we need bibles or other supplies, we pay our rent, we have an outing, or if someone in the church needs some help. I think a lot of the issues people have with tithing is because we see these people on tv with all their gold and diamonds and these huge cathedrals and honestly, that would turn me off too but I can't worry about those people. Jen

I don't think it's a "bad" thing to have that Fatherly fear of Yahweh. Praise ye the Lord. Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord, that delighteth greatly in His commandments. His seed shall be mighty upon earth The generation of the upright shall be blessed. Ps 112

I know silly. I would rather have santa then that crazy wench!

Seriously...

It's all a big mess, I agree. I pray Yahshua Messiah returns soon. Amen? Jen